How many games would we have to lose before you bench Hoyer
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People make an awful lot of assumptions about Manziel. I've seen that story before. Everyone was so sure Brady Quinn was gonna save us all. Yea, not so much. Ran Anderson outta town with the incessant clamoring for Captain Checkdown. Anderson was never more than the guy who could throw bullets...even when he shouldn't...but he was better than Quinn. Fans thought they knew better than the coaching staff. This coaching staff has told everyone who the better QB is right now, but I'm sure you all know better this time, too.
What is they say about assuming and being an ass?
What happens if/when you all get your wish and Manziel doesn't deliver? And by deliver, I mean a better record than 8-4 in his first full 12 games. Nothing less will be acceptable. If we run the guy outta town who has done that for us, we better be sure Manziel can do better.
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Till this playoff run is over, Hoyer is it period. Once out of playoffs, {possible At Carolina}, Browns will not BENCH Hoyer, but they got to take a look at #2..If Farmer is thinking of franchise tagging Hoyer next season and you don't have a #2QB, they properly sign Hoyer make's decision easy. There is no QB in draft better than Johnny next year. Johnny's Signed. If Johnny can't beat out a Hoyer,where the hell can he start and play for a winner,, My $$ on C-Town. Go Browns!!
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Great... another Manziel fan who bitches about Hoyer, so that someday,
when it's Manziel coming in, he'll claim he was a genius.
deja vu all over again. Like Gip said, I think it was... Groundhog Day.
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That was the first game without Mack and Jacksonville had pretty consistent pressure.. But he needed to make that throw for sure.
I still think the coaches choice to run on 3rd and short and then PA on 4th and 1 when we coulda went up 9-0 but instead went down 6-7 cost us that one.
Same mistake made last week when Crowell fumbled when we were about to at least go up 10-7, which was huge momentum wise.
I think Hoyer is a game manager with inconsistent accuracy. But he can lock in and string some nice throws together as well. I just can't wait to see how he looks with a real #1 to throw to.
brian hoyer is not a game manager. game managers dont pull together game winning drives like hoyer, game managers don't put up points with a shit receiving crew, below average run game, bad protection, and zero playmakers around him. brian hoyer has all the intangibles, ability, and mentality to be a good to great QB in this league. can't wait to see what he does next year with mack and gordon back and a full off season and some experience with this team. he's going to be in the pro bowl next year
brian hoyer is not a game manager.
Then why is his picture next to the term in my football dictionary?
C- EVEN WITHOUT ALEX MACK-- The Browns have maintained a top 10 O-Line ranking in the NFL..
According to?
Is the ranking stat driven?
If yes, does it include the Mack lead data points that earned us the top spot?
#2. What I dont understand from some of you.. is that you say you dont want to take Brian out until we are out of the playoffs... THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
Apparently it makes perfect sense to the coaching staff... the ones who see JM in practice everyday and are in the best position to choose between their two primary QB options.
You make a QB change to provide a spark and hope that it helps the team IMPROVE and PLAY BETTER.
Hope? You cannot do it based upon hope.
As for the spark... JM did not spark anything in his two, "package" appearances. And if ever we needed a spark it was the JAX or HOU games... and yet our staff passed on that opportunity.
A move to Johnny should be made TO KEEP YOU IN PLAYOFF CONTENTION.. not because you're out of it... if you are out of it.. then what is the point?
The point would be to evaluate a potential, "future QB" option, while getting the QB you did not think was best equipped to pilot your playoff run some OJT.
@douche-nozzle said:
I would bet a six pack on that and a six pack that will never he elite. I will probably win both bets and will split at worst.
Such bravery... proposes an offsetting bet that is subjective, might not be settled for years and requires a performance level achieved by maybe 5 active QBs.
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i think PlayGroundLegend must have fell from the monkey bars and hit his head.
this fan base is crazy. when it looks like we finally have stepped from the shadows and have found a QB that can get us more wins than any other QB we've had in 7 years, people just want to throw that all away to see what a spoiled little punk who is our #2 QB can do, just to do it, with no other reasoning at all. "we've got to see what he can do!" well i guess pettine and farmer have seen what he can do and deemed it not as good as hoyer or else they would have made the switch earlier.
hopefully our coaching staff and FO personnel have a little more from the neck up than a lot of browns fans do on this topic, unless of course those fans don't mind throwing games away or potentially ruining a rookie's career.
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HA!
now that's hilarious!
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What if someone else goes down? Are you going to say I can't wait to see what he does in 2016 with a healthy roster?
My point is that you're never going to have the perfect situation with no injuries or variables.
And if Hoyer and his agent are going to want top money, they are aren't getting it.
These last 6 games will determine the fate of Brian Hoyers future with the Cleveland Browns.
the perfect situation? i think every can agree that this has probably been the worst situation for a quarterback... im not asking for a perfect situation, but a situation viable for a quarterback to play to his full potential. i dont think peyton manning could play all that well with a sub par run game, no protection, and a bunch of tiny, cookie cutter, receivers who cant get open or make a play unless their set up perfectly. having josh gordon back is going to be huge. he's going to open up alot and give hoyer a safety net. having mack and cameron back would pretty much put hoyer into pro bowl discussion imo. results as a quarterback are not consistent with changed/different environments. look at matt cassel in new england compared to elsewhere. brian hoyer has the intangibles, ability, and mentality to be a really, really good QB.
im not asking for a perfect situation, but a situation viable for a quarterback to play to his full potential. i dont think peyton manning could play all that well with a sub par run game, no protection, and a bunch of tiny, cookie cutter, receivers who cant get open or make a play unless their set up perfectly.
That situation was good enough to beat Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, New Orleans, Oakland, and Tampa?
Hoyer's inaccuracy isn't the fault of a running game or short receivers....
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"" I would bet a six pack on that and a six pack that will never he elite. I will probably win both bets and will split at worst.""
Exactly what I figured. You're the one that said Johnny would bust out quicker than tebow, now you're hedging your bet. Johnny will be in the league 10+ years and IMO will be comparable to Jeff Garcia. Is that elite?
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If you have a playoff spot available you don't bench him
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No more excuses for Hoyer.
Wide open and throw an INT.
You can't blame the pressure, running game, or recievers for how horribly inaccurate Hoyer is.
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No more excuses for Hoyer.
Wide open and throw an INT.
You can't blame the pressure, running game, or recievers for how horribly inaccurate Hoyer is.
No more excuses for Hoyer.
Wide open and throw an INT.
You can't blame the pressure, running game, or recievers for how horribly inaccurate Hoyer is.
There is no excuse for the pick. But no one knows if JF would do any better.. I'll trust the coaches on that one..
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Anyone who can logically defend Brian Hoyer for today is mentally impaired.
Everyone has stepped up today. The D. Crowell. West. The line. He blew it.
8/17 113 1 int and a 47 QBR
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Another GOD AWFUL THROW BY HOYER.
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The missed throw to GORDON on the rollout led to 3
The INT which was vomit inducing.
GORDON wide open with 15 seconds before the half.
Brian is what he is. A frighted inaccurate QB.
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Anybody seen the last drive of the game? No?
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Can't hear you....
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44 seconds doesn't excuse the other 59 minutes. He played like trash today.
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44 seconds doesn't excuse the other 59 minutes. He played like trash today.
But his team didn't quit on him and he won.44 seconds doesn't excuse the other 59 minutes. He played like trash today.
He sucked, but not when it mattered most.
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