How many games would we have to lose before you bench Hoyer
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Yeah I hate feeling good about wins.
Yeah I hate feeling good about wins.
All I'm saying is winning cant end all discussions about Hoyer. Just because a team is winning doesn't mean they can't be better by making a change. You don't know what we have with Johnny and neither do I. But I certainly have a better idea than all of you because I have watched 11 of Hoyers starts and all of Johnny's college starts.
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I love this.
Finally people can see how ridiculous the Hoyer Lovers are. They honestly believe he won this game by himself.
I don't know whats worse, the fact they give him the credit for this win or that they still give Hoyer the credit for the win against Buffalo last year when he left in the 2nd quarter down 10-0. They still count it as a Hoyer win.
Does anyone think Hoyer is a Franchise QB still?
Honestly speak up if you do. Does anyone think hes the Browns starter next year? Speak up if you do I want it on record. -
I am a new Browns fan because of Johnny but I do want them to do well. Do you honestly feel good about Hoyer going into the playoffs if we make it there to begin with?
Hoyer is the best QB on the team. Deal with it.
Hoyer is the best QB on the team. Deal with it.
I'm not convinced of this. Hoyer was awful today.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Brian Hoyer is the reason this game was even close today.
WORSE GAME ALL YEAR. He looked like dog shit except for the final drive.
He won't be here next year so I'm not worried at all, just grooming #2 baby
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Look at the game stats (Receptions Targets) :
Gordon 8 - 16
Hawkins 5 - 5
Austin 6 - 8 (one a TD drop)
Barnidge 2 - 3
Gabriel 1 - 2
West 1 - 1
Dray 0 - 1
Benji 0 - 2
Agnew 0 - 1
Notice where the rust and two INT's are.
Yeah, Hoyer didn't have a great overall game, but he did direct the game winning drive.
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This is a good test for the lengths you will go to defend Hoyer.
Over the last 6 weeks hes the 31st rated QB in the NFL, and has played the easiest pass defense schedule in that time frame.
Do you want to sign him long term? Think hes a Franchise QB? If so speak up. I want it on record who wants Hoyer as the Franchise QB.
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Hoyer is the best QB on the team. Deal with it.
I'm not convinced of this. Hoyer was awful today.
I'm not convinced of this. Hoyer was awful today.
Which should tell us how unprepared Johnny is.
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This team continues to win in spite of Brian,not because of him. He is an AVERAGE quarterback....period. I think we have better. I like Hoyer,home town boy and all,but he has been the poster boy for mediocracy. I want better than that.
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THE WINNING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HOYER TODAY, he almost ruined all of it.
The defense stepped up and created turnovers.
The special teams stepped up and did it's job.
The offensive line kicked ass.
Crowell and West kicked ass today.
The receivers kicked ass today.
Brian Hoyer was all over the place and NUT SUCKERS are more embarrassing than "Manzealots"
They are fucking embarrassing. That was some of the worst QB play since DA
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The tide is turning towards the light.
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THE WINNING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HOYER TODAY, he almost ruined all of it.
The defense stepped up and created turnovers.
The special teams stepped up and did it's job.
The offensive line kicked ass.
Crowell and West kicked ass today.
The receivers kicked ass today.
Brian Hoyer was all over the place and NUT SUCKERS are more embarrassing than "Manzealots"
They are fucking embarrassing. That was some of the worst QB play since DA
Hoyer and coaching (Pettine and shanny) is the only reason this game was close IMO.THE WINNING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HOYER TODAY, he almost ruined all of it.
The defense stepped up and created turnovers.
The special teams stepped up and did it's job.
The offensive line kicked ass.
Crowell and West kicked ass today.
The receivers kicked ass today.
Brian Hoyer was all over the place and NUT SUCKERS are more embarrassing than "Manzealots"
They are fucking embarrassing. That was some of the worst QB play since DA
If it is indeed becoming clearer Hoyer isn't long term, even you can understand why you don't bench him at this point. Stockton doesn't get it, though.
His team is behind him 100%, if nothing else. You don't remove him from a team in this position.
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
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20/43 3 INT and a 52 QBR against the worse pass defense in the NFL
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
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Brian Hoyer HIMSELF said he played like garbage today so anyone in denial is a fucking idiot.
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Hoyer and coaching (Pettine and shanny) is the only reason this game was close IMO.THE WINNING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HOYER TODAY, he almost ruined all of it.
The defense stepped up and created turnovers.
The special teams stepped up and did it's job.
The offensive line kicked ass.
Crowell and West kicked ass today.
The receivers kicked ass today.
Brian Hoyer was all over the place and NUT SUCKERS are more embarrassing than "Manzealots"
They are fucking embarrassing. That was some of the worst QB play since DA
If it is indeed becoming clearer Hoyer isn't long term, even you can understand why you don't bench him at this point. Stockton doesn't get it, though.
His team is behind him 100%, if nothing else. You don't remove him from a team in this position.
Hoyer and coaching is the only reason this game was close IMO.
If it is indeed becoming clearer Hoyer isn't long term, even you can understand why you don't bench him at this point. Stockton doesn't get it, though.
His team is behind him 100%, if nothing else. You don't remove him from a team in this position.
Really? Why? Because we could win the Super Bowl?
The team has a long term plan that doesn't include Brian Hoyer and you think its better that they delay the start of that plan, to not get Manziel his first action until next season (where he'll have to learn on the job just the same) until next year? That helps the Browns long term?
Explain how? How does this help anything? We know who the future QB isn't. We know we are not Super Bowl contenders. So what are we doing here? Whats the benefit of Hoyer and his 31st in the NFL rating over the last 6 weeks? Tell me what we're doing that is helping the future.
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Hoyer is the best QB on the team. Deal with it.
You know this how? Fact is Hoyer has played awful as of late and you have yet to see Johnny play meaningful snaps. Johnny played better in the preseason than Hoyer is playing now and that was after partying in Vegas instead of studying the playbook.
You know this how? Fact is Hoyer has played awful as of late and you have yet to see Johnny play meaningful snaps. Johnny played better in the preseason than Hoyer is playing now and that was after partying in Vegas instead of studying the playbook.
Here's another Fun Fact!
Despite a decline in his play, and depth chart revisions galore, the staff still chooses to start Hoyer.
Hoyer Last 6 Games
52% Comp
4 TD
7 INT
70 Rating
31st in the league over the last 6 weeks.
Mods! Clean up on isle 1!
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Brian Hoyer HIMSELF said he played like garbage today so anyone in denial is a fucking idiot.
Brian Hoyer HIMSELF said he played like garbage today so anyone in denial is a fucking idiot.
He did and nobodies denying it, the manziel fans wanna see johnny, Stockton can't wait for new years so his parents let him get another glass of champagne, and the browns fans are enjoying the win.
It'll take a bigger beating to get Hoyer benched mid-game, or knock out of contention (which we aren't close to).
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
I do care about the Browns, thats why I can't stand them wasting their time flirting with a fat girl at the bar. You're wasting time and delaying the future, which hoyer has no part of.
Hoyer fans don't care about the Browns, they care about Hoyer. They routinely throw Browns players and coaches under the bus over and over to displace blame from Hoyer. They have no desire for the future of this franchise to be built properly, they want their hometown kid in there.
Face it, Hoyer fandom has taken over this message board and its is 10times anything any "Johnny Love" has ever been. The fact you think that "My Boy" is Manziel means you haven't read a word I've ever said about Manziel. Not one. I've said many times I don't know if hes good, but I know Hoyer isn't and he's not the future. We're wasting time. Its Derek Anderson 2007 all over again and remind me how well that worked out of the Browns? Did it propel the Franchise forward? Hmmm?? Abandoning their long term plan to try and chase the playoffs with a castaway QB and then committing to him? Did that work out well?
No the Browns have a plan, they need to get on with that plan. This Hoyer thing has become silly at this point and pointless.
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
I didn't have a rooting interest in the NFL when Johnny got drafted, so I became a Browns fan. Obviously I want Johnny to play but I want the team to win as well. If he got traded I would switch teams, but right now I am Browns fan.
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