How many games would we have to lose before you bench Hoyer
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
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20/43 3 INT and a 52 QBR against the worse pass defense in the NFL
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
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Brian Hoyer HIMSELF said he played like garbage today so anyone in denial is a fucking idiot.
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Hoyer and coaching (Pettine and shanny) is the only reason this game was close IMO.THE WINNING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HOYER TODAY, he almost ruined all of it.
The defense stepped up and created turnovers.
The special teams stepped up and did it's job.
The offensive line kicked ass.
Crowell and West kicked ass today.
The receivers kicked ass today.
Brian Hoyer was all over the place and NUT SUCKERS are more embarrassing than "Manzealots"
They are fucking embarrassing. That was some of the worst QB play since DA
If it is indeed becoming clearer Hoyer isn't long term, even you can understand why you don't bench him at this point. Stockton doesn't get it, though.
His team is behind him 100%, if nothing else. You don't remove him from a team in this position.
Hoyer and coaching is the only reason this game was close IMO.
If it is indeed becoming clearer Hoyer isn't long term, even you can understand why you don't bench him at this point. Stockton doesn't get it, though.
His team is behind him 100%, if nothing else. You don't remove him from a team in this position.
Really? Why? Because we could win the Super Bowl?
The team has a long term plan that doesn't include Brian Hoyer and you think its better that they delay the start of that plan, to not get Manziel his first action until next season (where he'll have to learn on the job just the same) until next year? That helps the Browns long term?
Explain how? How does this help anything? We know who the future QB isn't. We know we are not Super Bowl contenders. So what are we doing here? Whats the benefit of Hoyer and his 31st in the NFL rating over the last 6 weeks? Tell me what we're doing that is helping the future.
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Hoyer is the best QB on the team. Deal with it.
You know this how? Fact is Hoyer has played awful as of late and you have yet to see Johnny play meaningful snaps. Johnny played better in the preseason than Hoyer is playing now and that was after partying in Vegas instead of studying the playbook.
You know this how? Fact is Hoyer has played awful as of late and you have yet to see Johnny play meaningful snaps. Johnny played better in the preseason than Hoyer is playing now and that was after partying in Vegas instead of studying the playbook.
Here's another Fun Fact!
Despite a decline in his play, and depth chart revisions galore, the staff still chooses to start Hoyer.
Hoyer Last 6 Games
52% Comp
4 TD
7 INT
70 Rating
31st in the league over the last 6 weeks.
Mods! Clean up on isle 1!
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Brian Hoyer HIMSELF said he played like garbage today so anyone in denial is a fucking idiot.
Brian Hoyer HIMSELF said he played like garbage today so anyone in denial is a fucking idiot.
He did and nobodies denying it, the manziel fans wanna see johnny, Stockton can't wait for new years so his parents let him get another glass of champagne, and the browns fans are enjoying the win.
It'll take a bigger beating to get Hoyer benched mid-game, or knock out of contention (which we aren't close to).
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
I do care about the Browns, thats why I can't stand them wasting their time flirting with a fat girl at the bar. You're wasting time and delaying the future, which hoyer has no part of.
Hoyer fans don't care about the Browns, they care about Hoyer. They routinely throw Browns players and coaches under the bus over and over to displace blame from Hoyer. They have no desire for the future of this franchise to be built properly, they want their hometown kid in there.
Face it, Hoyer fandom has taken over this message board and its is 10times anything any "Johnny Love" has ever been. The fact you think that "My Boy" is Manziel means you haven't read a word I've ever said about Manziel. Not one. I've said many times I don't know if hes good, but I know Hoyer isn't and he's not the future. We're wasting time. Its Derek Anderson 2007 all over again and remind me how well that worked out of the Browns? Did it propel the Franchise forward? Hmmm?? Abandoning their long term plan to try and chase the playoffs with a castaway QB and then committing to him? Did that work out well?
No the Browns have a plan, they need to get on with that plan. This Hoyer thing has become silly at this point and pointless.
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Fact is if I thought Hoyer made the Browns a better team than Manziel I would admit as much. You can call be biased all you want, but it is clear you all are biased against Johnny because of things you heard on SportsCenter or Twitter, not actually what he did on the field. And i'm not talking preseason.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
I didn't have a rooting interest in the NFL when Johnny got drafted, so I became a Browns fan. Obviously I want Johnny to play but I want the team to win as well. If he got traded I would switch teams, but right now I am Browns fan.
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Hoyer will get the rest of the year and sign for BIG $ somewhere else.
Today was my breaking point, no excuses for today, the rest of the team played very well.
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Manziel may be better, but Hoyer has the NFL experience and demonstrated smarts.
As ridiculous as it may sound, as long as we're in the Playoff hunt the guy that brought us here is the guy that plays.
How quickly it's forgotten that this Team has garned the nickname of the Kardiac Kids II.
How mant folks here remember the original Kardiac Kids . . . how 'bout those wins, were they all overwhelming?
Why do you think they were called the Kardiac Kids?
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You know this how? Fact is Hoyer has played awful as of late and you have yet to see Johnny play meaningful snaps. Johnny played better in the preseason than Hoyer is playing now and that was after partying in Vegas instead of studying the playbook.
Here's another Fun Fact!
Despite a decline in his play, and depth chart revisions galore, the staff still chooses to start Hoyer.
Hoyer Last 6 Games
52% Comp
4 TD
7 INT
70 Rating
31st in the league over the last 6 weeks.
Mods! Clean up on isle 1!
Here's another Fun Fact!
Despite a decline in his play, and depth chart revisions galore, the staff still chooses to start Hoyer.
With the team 7-4 they aren't going to make a change, especially with a first year head coach.
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During the game I was saying if we lost(when ATL had ball before BAD time management and smart CLE TO
saving) , then I would want Hoyer to be benched so we could see Manziel.
However, Gilbert recovered on a 3rd and 2 pass and forced a long FG, but I was still confident the game was ours.
Because even after playing like shit and making dumb throws, Brian Hoyer can block out the stats and play perfect
to lead us to victory.
At lot of QBs would take a sac or force a bad throw, but Hoyer? With the game on the line, he is money.
He needs to play like the game is on the line more often. I'll admit I thought it was Manziel time if we lost..
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But you don't care about the browns, you only care about them if your boy is the QB.
I do care about the Browns, thats why I can't stand them wasting their time flirting with a fat girl at the bar. You're wasting time and delaying the future, which hoyer has no part of.
Hoyer fans don't care about the Browns, they care about Hoyer. They routinely throw Browns players and coaches under the bus over and over to displace blame from Hoyer. They have no desire for the future of this franchise to be built properly, they want their hometown kid in there.
Face it, Hoyer fandom has taken over this message board and its is 10times anything any "Johnny Love" has ever been. The fact you think that "My Boy" is Manziel means you haven't read a word I've ever said about Manziel. Not one. I've said many times I don't know if hes good, but I know Hoyer isn't and he's not the future. We're wasting time. Its Derek Anderson 2007 all over again and remind me how well that worked out of the Browns? Did it propel the Franchise forward? Hmmm?? Abandoning their long term plan to try and chase the playoffs with a castaway QB and then committing to him? Did that work out well?
No the Browns have a plan, they need to get on with that plan. This Hoyer thing has become silly at this point and pointless.
I do care about the Browns, thats why I can't stand them wasting their time flirting with a fat girl at the bar. You're wasting time and delaying the future, which hoyer has no part of.
Hoyer fans don't care about the Browns, they care about Hoyer. They routinely throw Browns players and coaches under the bus over and over to displace blame from Hoyer. They have no desire for the future of this franchise to be built properly, they want their hometown kid in there.
Face it, Hoyer fandom has taken over this message board and its is 10times anything any "Johnny Love" has ever been. The fact you think that "My Boy" is Manziel means you haven't read a word I've ever said about Manziel. Not one. I've said many times I don't know if hes good, but I know Hoyer isn't and he's not the future. We're wasting time. Its Derek Anderson 2007 all over again and remind me how well that worked out of the Browns? Did it propel the Franchise forward? Hmmm?? Abandoning their long term plan to try and chase the playoffs with a castaway QB and then committing to him? Did that work out well?
No the Browns have a plan, they need to get on with that plan. This Hoyer thing has become silly at this point and pointless.
That wasn't directed at you obviously, but I'm sure you know that :-0
Miller high life in a champagne league
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During the game I was saying if we lost(when ATL had ball before BAD time management and smart CLE TO
saving) , then I would want Hoyer to be benched so we could see Manziel.
However, Gilbert recovered on a 3rd and 2 pass and forced a long FG, but I was still confident the game was ours.
Because even after playing like shit and making dumb throws, Brian Hoyer can block out the stats and play perfect
to lead us to victory.
At lot of QBs would take a sac or force a bad throw, but Hoyer? With the game on the line, he is money.
He needs to play like the game is on the line more often. I'll admit I thought it was Manziel time if we lost..
During the game I was saying if we lost(when ATL had ball before BAD time management and smart CLE TO saving) , then I would want
Hoyer to be benched so we could see Manziel.
However, Gilbert recovered on a 3rd and 2 pass and forced a long FG, but I was still confident the game was ours.
Because even after playing like shit and making dumb throws, Brian Hoyer can block out the stats and play perfect to lead us to victory.
At lot of QBs would take a sac or force a bad throw, but Hoyer? With the game on the line, he is money.
He needs to play like the game is on the line more often.
The fact that some people are even thinking about benching Hoyer tells the tale. And like I said before Tebow was money at the end of games and we saw how that turned out. I would rather see 30 good throws versus 4.
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With the team 7-4 they aren't going to make a change, especially with a first year head coach.
What are you arguing about then? That's what the "Hoyer Slobbers" are saying too.
He played awful, period. But we won
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During the game I was saying if we lost(when ATL had ball before BAD time management and smart CLE TO saving) , then I would want
Hoyer to be benched so we could see Manziel.
However, Gilbert recovered on a 3rd and 2 pass and forced a long FG, but I was still confident the game was ours.
Because even after playing like shit and making dumb throws, Brian Hoyer can block out the stats and play perfect to lead us to victory.
At lot of QBs would take a sac or force a bad throw, but Hoyer? With the game on the line, he is money.
He needs to play like the game is on the line more often.
The fact that some people are even thinking about benching Hoyer tells the tale. And like I said before Tebow was money at the end of games and we saw how that turned out. I would rather see 30 good throws versus 4.
The fact that some people are even thinking about benching Hoyer tells the tale. And like I said before Tebow was money at the end of games and we saw how that turned out. I would rather see 30 good throws versus 4.
Hey Tim Tebow won a playoff game, by the same rules people on this board judge Hoyer, Tebow should've been locked up long term.
Where is that guy now? I mean his record as a starting QB was 7-4 his last year.
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With the team 7-4 they aren't going to make a change, especially with a first year head coach.
What are you arguing about then? That's what the "Hoyer Slobbers" are saying too.
He played awful, period. But we won
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Well, I thin k there are a few separate arguements all getting rolled into one
....should Hoyer start? and Is Hoyer a franchise qb? are 2 different questions with different answers(yes/no).....then add in the 12 other JFF perspectives(great, terrible, start, dont start, trade, etc) and you have the endless discussion that just keeps giving & giving
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@everlastingxxx said:
I only saw pieces of the game on The Redzone. I got to see Hoyer get sacked once, throw two interceptions and watch his game winning drive. The guy is such a mixed bag. Great win for Brown fans. Playoff hopes still alive.
Mixed bag for sure. The playoff hopes will be decided against Cincinnati at home and in Baltimore week 17.
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