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Let me break it down for you Upper Lip,
I talked to Eugene (my old roommate) who is a certified NFLPA agent and asked him about The Brian Hoyer situation about 3 weeks ago over the phone.
The players use stats (even the ones that come in garbage time) against NFL management as a way to increase their salaries and contracts the same way NFL management uses bad stats against them to keep their contracts reasonable. It's simple negotiations.
If you don't think Brian Hoyer is pissed about those 3 picks he threw today, think again, him and his agents are losing big time money on that. FACT FACT FACT. Sure he's glad he won but with each bad performance goes money out the window. You can talk "Heart and soul and leadership" all you want but these agents and managers are ruthless and want quantitative data to base their financial decisions off of.
Hoyer is going to get paid a lot more posting 20 TD's and 5 ints than 15 TD's and 10 int's ESPECIALLY in a contract year.
Since Hoyer is in a contract year, Hoyer is going to want to post bigger numbers to increase his the money he will be given in his contract.
Yes, there are things that don't show up in stats like leadership, quality of throws, etc but all that hometown hero bullshit goes out the window when some desperate team like the Jets (using as an example) throws 15+ million at him and The Browns only offer 6-7 million.
Sure, the only stat that matters is W/L but when it comes to players getting big money, stats are often the evidence that gets them massive contracts.
Peyton Manning, Aarron Rogers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Drew Brees don't get 100 million dollar contracts for average stats. They get those contracts because they are statistically prolific or were at some point in their careers.
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Sorry, I forgot what the thread was about. Yea Stocky is a Browns fan , yet he lets his intellect cloud common sense. A typical Freudian malady.
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Let me break it down for you Upper Lip,
I talked to Eugene (my old roommate) who is a certified NFLPA agent and asked him about The Brian Hoyer situation about 3 weeks ago over the phone.
The players use stats (even the ones that come in garbage time) against NFL management as a way to increase their salaries and contracts the same way NFL management uses bad stats against them to keep their contracts reasonable. It's simple negotiations.
If you don't think Brian Hoyer is pissed about those 3 picks he threw today, think again, him and his agents are losing big time money on that. FACT FACT FACT. Sure he's glad he won but with each bad performance goes money out the window. You can talk "Heart and soul and leadership" all you want but these agents and managers are ruthless and want quantitative data to base their financial decisions off of.
Hoyer is going to get paid a lot more posting 20 TD's and 5 ints than 15 TD's and 10 int's ESPECIALLY in a contract year.
Since Hoyer is in a contract year, Hoyer is going to want to post bigger numbers to increase his the money he will be given in his contract.
Yes, there are things that don't show up in stats like leadership, quality of throws, etc but all that hometown hero bullshit goes out the window when some desperate team like the Jets (using as an example) throws 15+ million at him and The Browns only offer 6-7 million.
Sure, the only stat that matters is W/L but when it comes to players getting big money, stats are often the evidence that gets them massive contracts.
Peyton Manning, Aarron Rogers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Drew Brees don't get 100 million dollar contracts for average stats. They get those contracts because they are statistically prolific or were at some point in their careers.
Stats might not matter to you or the average fan,
but when millions of dollars are on the line and players have agents that will use them to pry as much cash away as possible, they are everything.
My god you are autistic. I told you sure on that aspect. A players stats will always be used to base contracts. They mean absolutely nothing to a players actual ability though. Smart gm's know how to stay away from players with limited abilities who command big contracts based on big stats in a situation tailor made for his stats to look nice
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This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
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This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
Topics come and go.
Yay for Odell.
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So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
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This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
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So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
And tacos can be eaten for breakfast! It's crazy man. Like Star Trek meets Martha Stewart.
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So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
Maybe if I start only posting about Stockton, and only creating threads about Stockton, and critique everyer comment Stockton makes, for months, I would get banned.
Luckily for me I'm not some fucking nutcase loser...like Stockton.
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So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
the point is EVERYTHING Shitty Shorts posts is a Hoyer rant. He brings no value to the board. He hasn't posted one single positive thing about the Browns. He is as troll as troll gets!So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
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So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
And tacos can be eaten for breakfast! It's crazy man. Like Star Trek meets Martha Stewart.
And tacos can be eaten for breakfast! It's crazy man. Like Star Trek meets Martha Stewart.
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I think he's a Browns fan. Something got jumbled along the way though. It's pretty evident he cares more about the failure of one guy than the success of our team, just for the sake of being right, l guess.
It's disheartening, really. He's a smart guy, and l'd love to hear his perspective on many other aspects of the game and revel in the successes of the team with him, but his agenda trumps all.
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I think he is a Browns fan, just has a different perspective. Put him on ignore if he annoys you. You all should be talking about the great win instead of stalking a specific poster.
That's what's getting him kicked off E- Not that we won, it's Hoyer played lousy, and it's his only agenda. See anything he posted about how well The Crow ran today? didn't think so. .
I think he's a Browns fan. Something got jumbled along the way though. It's pretty evident he cares more about the failure of one guy than the success of our team, just for the sake of being right, l guess.
It's disheartening, really. He's a smart guy, and l'd love to hear his perspective on many other aspects of the game and revel in the successes of the team with him, but his agenda trumps all.
Yup.
We didn't win good enough. Wins without a franchise qb aren't worth anything.
Dammit, if we just had a Aaron Rodgers tossing the rock we woulda beat those bums 50- 7.
So posts about Hoyer can get you banned, but posts about someone who posts about Hoyer ar acceptable? This board is weird.
Nope- and please get this. It's not Hoyer bashing that will get you tossed- but make it your ONLY agenda- even in a running back thread it might. We as Mods have to think about it- and even then we're really reluctant to use the cyber oblivion button.
Attitude may have a bit to do with it too. I don't particularly like- and a bunch of the long time denizens of this board don't either is- the attitude- "see, I'm right, and the rest of you are just dumb f##ks". We're smarter than the average fan- at least I like to think so. Shit- I know Hoyer had a lousy game, Hoyer said he stunk in the postgame presser- but what's the first thing Stock Boy wants to trot out? . HOYER SUCKS, I TOLD YOU SO. Told him he was beating a dead horse, Zombo told him likewise- he isn't listening- so it's bye=bye.
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I don't know Stockton but he's certainly entitled to his opinion. Why, this is America not Red China. Stockton sounds like a very nice young man who has high standards and is frustrated with the mistakes. Don't kick him out if you disagree. That's what makes this country great! Diversity!
Feed the Crow!
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Having an opinion is welcome and encouraged. Continually repeating that exact opinion in every single post, for months and months, even when asked to give it a rest is the fastest way to get booted from anywhere. All he had to do was give it a rest.
Hell, the funny part is he may even be proven right, but when you act like a douche, you lose the privilege of basking in your know-it-all greatness.
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Having an opinion is welcome and encouraged. Continually repeating that exact opinion in every single post, for months and months, even when asked to give it a rest is the fastest way to get booted from anywhere. All he had to do was give it a rest.
Hell, the funny part is he may even be proven right, but when you act like a douche, you lose the privilege of basking in your know-it-all greatness.
Having an opinion is welcome and encouraged. Continually repeating that exact opinion in every single post, for months and months, even when asked to give it a rest is the fastest way to get booted from anywhere. All he had to do was give it a rest.
Hell, the funny part is he may even be proven right, but when you act like a douche, you lose the privilege of basking in your know-it-all greatness.
Exactly.. When after a win, all he wants to talk about his how bad the QB played (the same QB who led the game winning drive btw) that's a ticket out of town.
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Having an opinion is welcome and encouraged. Continually repeating that exact opinion in every single post, for months and months, even when asked to give it a rest is the fastest way to get booted from anywhere. All he had to do was give it a rest.
Hell, the funny part is he may even be proven right, but when you act like a douche, you lose the privilege of basking in your know-it-all greatness.
Exactly.. When after a win, all he wants to talk about his how bad the QB played (the same QB who led the game winning drive btw) that's a ticket out of town.
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The messenger is dead.
He was repetitive annoying obsessed and fed off the negative energy his posts generated.
But had there not been a grain of truth no one would have cared.
As a supporter of Brian Hoyer (even though I am looking forward to seeing what Johnny can do) I can't help but wonder where this team might be if he didn't suck so badly.
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This team really believes in Hoyer, and he has played some great play when it counts.
This offense has confidence - it would be dumb to just knee-jerk.
Most of us really love being 7-4. And without the injuries, who knows ?
AFC North Team W L T
Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5Cincinnati Bengals 7 3 1 .682 246 234 12 26 4-1-1 3-2 2-1 .667 5-3 .625 2-0-1 2W 4-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 7 4 0 .636 288 263 25 33 4-1 3-3 2-2 .500 6-3 .667 1-1 1W 4-1
Cleveland Browns 7 4 0 .636 242 219 23 26 4-2 3-2 2-2 .500 4-4 .500 3-0 1W 4-1
Baltimore Ravens 6 4 0 .600 261 181 80 29 4-1 2-3 2-3 .400 3-4 .429 3-0 1W 2-2
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The messenger is dead.
He was repetitive annoying obsessed and fed off the negative energy his posts generated.
But had there not been a grain of truth no one would have cared.
As a supporter of Brian Hoyer (even though I am looking forward to seeing what Johnny can do) I can't help but wonder where this team might be if he didn't suck so badly.
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As a supporter of Brian Hoyer (even though I am looking forward to seeing what Johnny can do) I can't help but wonder where this team might be if he didn't suck so badly.
Thats about where Im at. I love 7-4 and Im happy to keep winning. Just that the confidence is slipping a bit.
The truth is I felt like crap after watching that yesterday. The offense left opportunity after opportunity on the field and looked really bad doing it. And we were running pretty good and the D was playing well too.
By the time the game ended, i just felt sick to my stomach. Was I happy we pulled it out??.....of course!
.... Hey, Im usually the eternal optimist. Always supporting the team. But I sure didn't feel good yesterday or come out of that game thinking "FUCK YEAH...WE KICKED SOME ASS!!"So, before you slice me for "not liking the win", just understand that I do like the win. But I dont like 59 minutes of shitty football. And, when we play like shit, we should be allowed to say it. Win or not. And Im saying it.
Ive seen a million threads going after ANY player that has an off day or game. But,when BH has been off for weeks and doesn;t look good, we should be allowed to say that. It's the truth. Ive bit my tongue for weeks, JUST because we've been winning, but the feel verdict is in and it's not that good.
But to "appease" everyone....Crow, West, Hawkins and Gordon all looked great yesterday. The LB's/DB's had a pretty good game too. But Shananhan and Hoyer took the game off. Glad they showed for the last 40 seconds, but wish they would start showing up earlier.
Yes, yes yes....Winning feels better than losing. 100%. But there are "feel good" wins and then there "OMG, we got lucky" wins. To me, yesterday was one of the OMG versions.....
I think we need 4 out of the next 5 games to win the division. Let's hope the "magic" continues, but for me, it's all gonna be based on "hope" and not pure confidence.....
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