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  • I like Hoyer a lot and he's got a lot of heart. He reminds me of Rocky. He's down but not out. He fights. Mostly wins too.

    That being said I really worry about his arm, more than anything. He makes a lot of errant throws. Sometimes he misses wide open targets. Sometimes they have to come back to the throw sometimes they have to like, fall down to catch them. And this is a receiver corps who I perceive to be playing out of their minds, at the highest level they could possibly play.

    If he can clean up all that He's really got the football acumen and the grit to be great.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • I don't think he's on the same level as Peyton Manning, but he's the best QB the Browns have had in a while. The Browns' record speaks for itself. We've seen how with other positions the FO is not afraid to put the rookies in ahead of the vets and holds players accountable, if Manziel has earned a start we would have seen it by now. Neither QB lit it up during preseason but Hoyer has the ability to read NFL defenses and get the plays out quickly, while Manziel seemed to struggle with that in preseason. Remember, Manziel only played 2 years of college football, giving him time to learn an NFL offense is only going to help him in the long run instead of ending up like Tim Couch.

    In short, is Hoyer a franchise QB? No. He makes mistakes that better teams would capitalize on (he's been VERY lucky on some throws), if he doesn't shape up soon there is no chance of progressing in the playoffs. Is Hoyer the best QB on the roster as of now? Yes. Manziel played during preseason, took a few snaps in games and has had all this time to convince the FO to put him in and hasn't done it yet, even the "Johnny packages" are gone. There is more going on behind the scenes than we know and I trust this FO to make the right decision.

  • Bottom line he's our franchise QB.

    GO BROWNS!

  • @tour2ma said:

    You have long argued that we should abandon Hoyer now because he is not a Super Bowl capable QB and the clock is ticking on JM's tryout.

    I, and others, have long argued that now is not the time to take a JM test drive, because we are in the playoff hunt this year. Should that hunt end, then by all means, start JM.

    Suddenly now we "are challenged" to throw in with Hoyer for 2015 as well? Sorry, it does not work that way.

    That you believe the position you now challenge those who have disagreed with you to take is the opposite of your long-term stance shows, once and for all, how truly deluded you are.

    Should we ultimately fall from playoff contention this year and JM starts, then I and others will legitimately be able to claim something you will never to able to claim, i.e., we were right.

    You are not to be taken seriously any longer.

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  • http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

    Worst completion percentage in the NFL.Browns are winning despite him. And I worry about Pettine too. Clock managent is a real issue with him, but I realise as a rookie head coach he can learn.But going into halftime today with 2 timeouts when we were driving was very telling.

  • BrownTownB BrownTown

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

    Worst completion percentage in the NFL.Browns are winning despite him. And I worry about Pettine too. Clock managent is a real issue with him, but I realise as a rookie head coach he can learn.But going into halftime today with 2 timeouts when we were driving was very telling.

    @browntown said:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

    Worst completion percentage in the NFL.Browns are winning despite him. And I worry about Pettine too. Clock managent is a real issue with him, but I realise as a rookie head coach he can learn.But going into halftime today with 2 timeouts when we were driving was very telling.

    Really, Pettine?

    I gotta say l like him okay so far. With a coach l look at the game management aspect, and the "what are you getting from your players?" aspect.

    I think he's doing alright enough in the latter category to outweigh the negatives in the former. What do you think?

  • Over all. big fan. But in a close game, it's the little things that kill you. He really seems to get the best out of his players, but up against a veretran head coach, he has some real liabilities righ now. Mike Smith calling an errant timeout in this game before their field goal was the only reason we had a shot to win this game.But we're not always going to go up against someone as inept as him.

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  • "The Falcons couldn't stop Isaiah Crowell (12 carries, 88 yards), but that didn't matter because Mike Pettine did it for them. Even though Crowell averaged 7.3 yards per carry, the Browns let Brian Hoyer throw it 40 times. Three of those 40 passes were picked off. "

    Not my words,but relevant to the conversation. Although it may speak more to Shanahan

  • Several coaching mistakes as well. It was rough because our D played outstanding, our run game was very good. Team in general played great. Coaching mistakes and hoyer could have lost this game for us. Lucky win but I'll take it. It is nice to be able to "learn from mistakes" in a win. It always used to be we would lose these games.

  • Hoyer is our QB. Will he be here next year?

    If we finish with 9+ wins, I'd offer Hoyer a good-sized 3-year deal and let him keep competing with Manziel until the young gun takes over his spot...

    It's really not as complicated as some people are making it out to be...

    If somebody else offers him a long-term deal at 10M+ a year... bye bye. Anything less than that, and I'm all over re-signing him... More like 3 yrs/ $24M or 4 yrs/ $30M... I don't see him getting offered much more than that elsewhere... Plus, we're only paying Manziel like $1.6 million, so it's not like we're exactly "breaking the bank" at the QB situation...

    #Justsayin'

  • I can't answer this because I don't know if Hoyer can succeed in another system. I will give you an answer in five weeks.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • BrownTownB BrownTown

    Over all. big fan. But in a close game, it's the little things that kill you. He really seems to get the best out of his players, but up against a veretran head coach, he has some real liabilities righ now. Mike Smith calling an errant timeout in this game before their field goal was the only reason we had a shot to win this game.But we're not always going to go up against someone as inept as him.

    @browntown said:

    Over all. big fan. But in a close game, it's the little things that kill you. He really seems to get the best out of his players, but up against a veretran head coach, he has some real liabilities righ now. Mike Smith calling an errant timeout in this game before their field goal was the only reason we had a shot to win this game.But we're not always going to go up against someone as inept as him.

    Now this is the difference - it's OK to point out obvious flaws- I also thought the clock management at the end of the half was bad. But to post 300X about this one aspect- well it would get really old, really fast.

  • If Hoyer does leave I get the feeling we will never see stockton here again. When Hoyer is no longer in the league Stockton will stop following football. The only reason stockton gets out of bed in the morning is to flex his throbbing hate boner for Brian Hoyer.

  • I hate when my ill thought out jabs don't land either. Just like the fag who keeps slamming our kicker for no reason at all.

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.

  • I read and heard (before yesterday's game) that Hoyer was #1 at highest completion percentage for deep ball passes. (15+ yards)

  • tml1138T tml1138

    I read and heard (before yesterday's game) that Hoyer was #1 at highest completion percentage for deep ball passes. (15+ yards)

    @tml1138 said:

    I read and heard (before yesterday's game) that Hoyer was #1 at highest completion percentage for deep ball passes. (15+ yards)

    He certainly doesn't play dink and dunk that's for sure. Although he hasn't played very good lately, I think his deep ball accuracy is actually quite good - despite what people say about it. His biggest issues have been when he's on the move or off on his footwork from what I've seen.

    He's almost baffling at times, but hopefully he improves (he's shown what he can do).

    He can't get a pass over a defenders head that is only maybe 10-15YDs away while rolling out left (first INT). Then he sets and throws a laser to the end zone splitting defenders and threading the needle (Austin Drop).

    His last drive had a deep pass to Gordon and Barnidge that were both right on the money too.

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