Jonathan Paul Manziel
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According to a lot of you if I say Manziel should start I am in a cult, I don't care about the team, and I root for Hoyer to play bad. But anybody who says Hoyer should start is a long time, real Browns fan who wants what is best for the team. It is my opinion that Johnny should be starting just as it is yours that Hoyer should start. I trash Hoyer when he plays bad but you all trash Johnny because of speculation and/or things that you or I really don't know about yet. All I know is the quarterback play on this team this year hasn't been very good and I believe it can be better if we make a change. TexasKevin
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Fine. Whatever. But the reality is, the Browns are 7-4, so JM should just keep learning and be ready. It's all been said,
so...say, how about that offensive line ???
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Why is there hate for Manziel? He's been keeping his mouth shut and learning the system. I can understand when people here are mad about Hoyer's play, but how can you diss Manziel? Lol what is he doing so poorly right now? Johnny Clipboard....really? Let's hate on our backup qb who keeps quiet and doesn't complain.
Why is there hate for Manziel? He's been keeping his mouth shut and learning the system. I can understand when people here are mad about Hoyer's play, but how can you diss Manziel? Lol what is he doing so poorly right now? Johnny Clipboard....really? Let's hate on our backup qb who keeps quiet and doesn't complain.
For the record, I don't hate Manziel- at least since the season began. He was hardly a "consummate professional" before training camp started. Put himself squarely behind the 8 ball with his partying antics.
Every time I see JF on the sidelines he looks like he's hamming for the camera, not the least bit interested in what's happening on the field. His stupid commercials make me want to spew! What I don't understand is all the "manlove" for a rookie QB who hasn't done ONE SINGLE THING to prove he's NFL worthy. Personally, I hope he can take over after Hoyer's done, and lead us to the Promised Land, but history tells me that QB's (like him) who are small and underweight, who think they can run at will, end up flat on their backs, and on IR most of the season.
You forgetting all the RG III hype before he ever played a down? When the coaches decide it's time for Manziel to start, I'll support him. Honestly the way Hoyer has played the last couple of games, it wouldn't take much for a qb to perform better than that.
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I understand that if by chance Brian Hoyer would go down, that while he may finish out that particular game, the keys to the mint would not necessarily be handed to him. Nor would they be handed to Connor Shaw, the JFF wannabe practice squad QB that we have.
In order to preserve a potential playoff run, the Browns would likely bring in someone with playoff/Super Bowl experience, and someone well versed in the Shanahan offensive system, i.e.:
Rex Grossman.
While Pettine and Shanny like JFF as a potential future QB, they don't want to put the fate of this season on him right here, right now. Not as long as a playoff run in is the mix. Grossman and Shanny are tight, and Shanny would see Grossman as a coach on the field. A guy that could function in his system. What they might do if Hoyer went down is to put in a few more "Johnny Packages", but the bulk of the reps/snaps would go to a veteran.
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The day will come when JM starts. That day is going to be special. It will once in for all prove that JM does not belong in the NFL.
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When Hoyer got drilled by Cushing they had Manziel gearing up to go in.
I get Grossman is the vet who knows the system, but I'm pretty sure johnny solidified the #2.
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I would think that particular scenario was a figment of somebody's imagination trying to find crazy shit to spur conversation on a radio show.
I have it on good authority that the plan is to take every member of the practice squad and give them a turn at quarterback each series of downs.
WSS
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I love all the opinions and insults on this board. But let me ask 1 simple question. "How can anyone have a informed opinion of what type of QB, JFF will be in the NFL, since we haven't seen him actually play in the NFL yet." Not trying to be a smart ass, but people for or against how good he will be, have no idea, till we see a body of work, like we have with Hoyer. The passion with our team runs deep, we all want a winner, who the QB is shouldn't matter IMO. We are 7-4, can we just enjoy it.
I love all the opinions and insults on this board. But let me ask 1 simple question. "How can anyone have a informed opinion of what type of QB, JFF will be in the NFL, since we haven't seen him actually play in the NFL yet." Not trying to be a smart ass, but people for or against how good he will be, have no idea, till we see a body of work, like we have with Hoyer. The passion with our team runs deep, we all want a winner, who the QB is shouldn't matter IMO. We are 7-4, can we just enjoy it.
That would be called an educated guess. I've seen enough Johnny at work and I don't think he has what it takes .
I'm enjoying the hell out of 7-4 GO BROWNS !
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I thought this was going to be a joke about how Josh Gordon has a live arm, but no, a serious thing. Nope, JF is number 2.
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When Hoyer got drilled by Cushing they had Manziel gearing up to go in.
I get Grossman is the vet who knows the system, but I'm pretty sure johnny solidified the #2.
When Hoyer got drilled by Cushing they had Manziel gearing up to go in.
I get Grossman is the vet who knows the system, but I'm pretty sure johnny solidified the #2.
Obviously Johnnys gonna come in if BH gets hurt. He's the ONLY option.
I think OP is talking longer term than the rest of one game. So, do we promote Shaw and risk him as the backup during a playoff run?.
OR, do we bring Grossman back because he's better than Shaw right now. THEN, if Grossman is back, is he the better option to start the rest of the games during a playoff run?.... or is JFF?
For all the same reason we all believe Hoyer is the best option to win now, I would say Grossman presents a similar argument.
So, it really boils down to that.
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Every time I see JF on the sidelines he looks like he's hamming for the camera, not the least bit interested in what's happening on the field. His stupid commercials make me want to spew! What I don't understand is all the "manlove" for a rookie QB who hasn't done ONE SINGLE THING to prove he's NFL worthy. Personally, I hope he can take over after Hoyer's done, and lead us to the Promised Land, but history tells me that QB's (like him) who are small and underweight, who think they can run at will, end up flat on their backs, and on IR most of the season.
The "manlove" for Johnny is based on the fact that he was one of the best college players off all time and he is on this team. Johnny might be small but he isn't as fragile and reckless as some of you believe. He only had minor injuries in college and never missed a game. I know the SEC isn't the big, bad NFL but he wasn't facing children. And all the highlights you saw of him diving for the endzone or running into defenders was because A&M's defense was awful so every yard mattered.
The "manlove" for Johnny is based on the fact that he was one of the best college players off all time and he is on this team. Johnny might be small but he isn't as fragile and reckless as some of you believe. He only had minor injuries in college and never missed a game. I know the SEC isn't the big, bad NFL but he wasn't facing children. And all the highlights you saw of him diving for the endzone or running into defenders was because A&M's defense was awful so every yard mattered.
We've already been down that road with a short, "mobile" quarterback who played his college football in Texas, and I do believe he finished his college carreer as the winningest QB in college football. That netted him a few wins in two or three seasons here.
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The "veteran who knows the system" angle only holds water when the two players in question are relatively close in talent. Grossman is a bum and if they chose him as the backup I'd view it as an indictment against JF.
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I thought this was an old thread, dug up from the graveyard...
I swear I've seen it before...
Edit: ... and I have... surfaces every few weeks per our search engine.
I will say this, if a rusty, fucking Rex Grossman can come off the couch and run this Offense better than JM, eleven weeks into the season, then we are in deep shit with our #22 overall...
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According to a lot of you if I say Manziel should start I am in a cult, I don't care about the team, and I root for Hoyer to play bad. But anybody who says Hoyer should start is a long time, real Browns fan who wants what is best for the team. It is my opinion that Johnny should be starting just as it is yours that Hoyer should start. I trash Hoyer when he plays bad but you all trash Johnny because of speculation and/or things that you or I really don't know about yet. All I know is the quarterback play on this team this year hasn't been very good and I believe it can be better if we make a change.
According to a lot of you if I say Manziel should start I am in a cult,
first off do you have any reading comprehension skills? the only time cult was mentioned in this thread was by me towards stockshorts as a FRIGGIN JOKE!!!! man you butt hurt little girls......
second, who the fuck are you? sure you're entitled to your opinion but you see this is a browns board correct? it's not a discuss JF fanboy forum to discuss all things JF up down side to side.
"ooh i wonder what type of under wear johnny wears stockton?" "i think he likes that classic man briefs TexasKevin."
join stock as a partner and start your own forum. easy enough to do considering stockton is a mensa member. he should be able to figure it out.
when you go to his house though watch out for the pipe bombs in the basement.
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I thought this was going to be a joke about how Josh Gordon has a live arm, but no, a serious thing. Nope, JF is number 2.
I thought this was going to be a joke about how Josh Gordon has a live arm, but no, a serious thing. Nope, JF is number 2.
Dude, that play yesterday was amazing! It showed his football IQ, and he just has 'it'. He's not only blessed with freakish physical skills, but he obviously knows the game as well as most coaches (may explain how he gets so wide open).
I'm rooting for Puffy.
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According to a lot of you if I say Manziel should start I am in a cult,
first off do you have any reading comprehension skills? the only time cult was mentioned in this thread was by me towards stockshorts as a FRIGGIN JOKE!!!! man you butt hurt little girls......
second, who the fuck are you? sure you're entitled to your opinion but you see this is a browns board correct? it's not a discuss JF fanboy forum to discuss all things JF up down side to side.
"ooh i wonder what type of under wear johnny wears stockton?" "i think he likes that classic man briefs TexasKevin."
join stock as a partner and start your own forum. easy enough to do considering stockton is a mensa member. he should be able to figure it out.
when you go to his house though watch out for the pipe bombs in the basement.
first off do you have any reading comprehension skills? the only time cult was mentioned in this thread was by me towards stockshorts as a FRIGGIN JOKE!!!! man you butt hurt little girls......
second, who the fuck are you? sure you're entitled to your opinion but you see this is a browns board correct? it's not a discuss JF fanboy forum to discuss all things JF up down side to side.
"ooh i wonder what type of under wear johnny wears stockton?" "i think he likes that classic man briefs TexasKevin."
join stock as a partner and start your own forum. easy enough to do considering stockton is a mensa member. he should be able to figure it out.
when you go to his house though watch out for the pipe bombs in the basement.
Well, that just got you tagged in some NSA basement data base.
If they read everything, then they must read all the bitching about Hoyer, and all the man love for JFF.
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first off do you have any reading comprehension skills? the only time cult was mentioned in this thread was by me towards stockshorts as a FRIGGIN JOKE!!!! man you butt hurt little girls......
second, who the fuck are you? sure you're entitled to your opinion but you see this is a browns board correct? it's not a discuss JF fanboy forum to discuss all things JF up down side to side.
"ooh i wonder what type of under wear johnny wears stockton?" "i think he likes that classic man briefs TexasKevin."
join stock as a partner and start your own forum. easy enough to do considering stockton is a mensa member. he should be able to figure it out.
when you go to his house though watch out for the pipe bombs in the basement.
Well, that just got you tagged in some NSA basement data base.
If they read everything, then they must read all the bitching about Hoyer, and all the man love for JFF.
Well, that just got you tagged in some NSA basement data base.
lol. i'd hope the gov't has more pressing issues to worry about some old retired guy that likes to shoot his mouth off on the internet. hey, wait...............
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When Hoyer got drilled by Cushing they had Manziel gearing up to go in.
I get Grossman is the vet who knows the system, but I'm pretty sure johnny solidified the #2.
Obviously Johnnys gonna come in if BH gets hurt. He's the ONLY option.
I think OP is talking longer term than the rest of one game. So, do we promote Shaw and risk him as the backup during a playoff run?.
OR, do we bring Grossman back because he's better than Shaw right now. THEN, if Grossman is back, is he the better option to start the rest of the games during a playoff run?.... or is JFF?
For all the same reason we all believe Hoyer is the best option to win now, I would say Grossman presents a similar argument.
So, it really boils down to that.
Obviously Johnnys gonna come in if BH gets hurt. He's the ONLY option.
I think OP is talking longer term than the rest of one game. So, do we promote Shaw and risk him as the backup during a playoff run?.
OR, do we bring Grossman back because he's better than Shaw right now. THEN, if Grossman is back, is he the better option to start the rest of the games during a playoff run?.... or is JFF?
For all the same reason we all believe Hoyer is the best option to win now, I would say Grossman presents a similar argument.
So, it really boils down to that.
Yes, that is exactly what I am talking about. As per usual, only Hoyer and JFF have been activated for games, and if Hoyer went down, Johnny would be in for that game. But yes, I am talking in the.....mid range. The rest of the season. I believe that Pettine wants JFF to get a full year of tutelage.....what he gets now with Hoyer, or what he would get with some other veteran to replace Hoyer if he went down. Grossman is the obvious example. I know that they brought somebody else in for a while, but Grossman still seems a more likely stop gap.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Gipper sippin on the eggnog early this year.
If eggnog is spelled "r-e-a-l p-o-s-s-i-b-i-l-i-t-y", then I guess I am.
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Johnny manziel reportedly beat the shit out of a fan Friday night when he went up to Johnny and said he was a huge browns fan. You can go read the story at clevescene.com. This is the fucker you imbeciles adore.
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Great, just what we needed :
Police Report: Johnny Manziel Involved In Massive Fight Late Friday Night at The 9 in Downtown Cleveland
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