Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Just to make things clear with everyone, this happened to Manziel at 2:30 am Saturday, which means he was out on Friday night. People seem really confused about days and times for some reason. It does not mean he was out at 2:30 am the day of the game, that would be 2:30 am on Sunday. He was able to get his 8 hours of sleep the next night before the game so everyone can quit worrying if Johnny is sleeping enough.
AND let's not forget the unwritten rule that players should have their feet off the ground by the end of practice friday. monday and thursdays are the days players go out to 'go out'. anything after that then you are putting yourself out there for criticism. sure, the NFLPA will say different but you could tell by pettine's demeanor on the mic today that he didn't like answering questions about what happened to his second stringer at 2:30 in the morning on saturday the day they flew into atlanta.
AND let's not forget the unwritten rule that players should have their feet off the ground by the end of practice friday. monday and thursdays are the days players go out to 'go out'. anything after that then you are putting yourself out there for criticism. sure, the NFLPA will say different but you could tell by pettine's demeanor on the mic today that he didn't like answering questions about what happened to his second stringer at 2:30 in the morning on saturday the day they flew into atlanta.
The finger does what the finger wants. No ragrets...
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Holy shit. I thought Texas had good school systems. These Texas jackwads seem to all have the same reading comprehension problem.
No one here is insulting your boy love.
Id rather he not be on the team if it meant getting rid of these Texas queers.
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And as you go later into the rounds, more red would appear (if held to the same standards)
I did this for AP stats in HS based on QBR and round taken. There is a correlation. At least I think it was QBR, maybe we used something slightly different. Something that was pretty fair for determining"good" vs "bad"...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
As of right now JFF is borderline bust and borderline average. Obviously he's not good enough to start. Or he would be by now. The pick was shoved down the throats of Farmer and Pettine. If not for us taking him he may not have went until the 2nd round or later because nobody else wanted him! Nobody. This is Hoyers team and I'll ride the Hoyer train to the Super Bowl.
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I see two options with JF, he could be Russell Wilson good, or he could be slightly above Tim tebow bad. I think we are trying to build a team like the seahawks. Strong defense, beast run game, and mobile qb who can make plays when they need it. JF could be a fantastic fit for what we are trying to build. I sure hope so. My main worry is that if he even turns out to be good, I just don't think he is built to withstand NFL type hits, and the way he plays he will be taking a lot.
Gotta say though I am super excited to see him play, I don't think he should play yet, but man I can't wait to see what he can do.
All that being said if I had to bet on it, I would bet bust.
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Just to make things clear with everyone, this happened to Manziel at 2:30 am Saturday, which means he was out on Friday night. People seem really confused about days and times for some reason. It does not mean he was out at 2:30 am the day of the game, that would be 2:30 am on Sunday. He was able to get his 8 hours of sleep the next night before the game so everyone can quit worrying if Johnny is sleeping enough.
AND let's not forget the unwritten rule that players should have their feet off the ground by the end of practice friday. monday and thursdays are the days players go out to 'go out'. anything after that then you are putting yourself out there for criticism. sure, the NFLPA will say different but you could tell by pettine's demeanor on the mic today that he didn't like answering questions about what happened to his second stringer at 2:30 in the morning on saturday the day they flew into atlanta.
AND let's not forget the unwritten rule that players should have their feet off the ground by the end of practice friday. monday and thursdays are the days players go out to 'go out'. anything after that then you are putting yourself out there for criticism. sure, the NFLPA will say different but you could tell by pettine's demeanor on the mic today that he didn't like answering questions about what happened to his second stringer at 2:30 in the morning on saturday the day they flew into atlanta.
He was with his mom at the building he lived at, it wasn't like he was slanging dope in the projects at 230 am. Maybe it was John Lennon's fault that he got shot by some batshit crazy fan, because it's obvious that this cocaine addicted, convicted felon was right to go after him.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I wouldnt put Drew Bledsoe as a bust.
#1st round QBs have much better odds vs undrafted free agent QBs at not being busts.
BTW, anyone that would call Manziel a bust without him even starting a single game is lacking football knowledge.
I agree.. I thought Bledsoe was pretty darn good
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I concur.. Bledsoe was really good... he was on the cover of Magazines at the lid to ladder end of his carreer.. he was legitimate
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AND let's not forget the unwritten rule that players should have their feet off the ground by the end of practice friday. monday and thursdays are the days players go out to 'go out'. anything after that then you are putting yourself out there for criticism. sure, the NFLPA will say different but you could tell by pettine's demeanor on the mic today that he didn't like answering questions about what happened to his second stringer at 2:30 in the morning on saturday the day they flew into atlanta.
He was with his mom at the building he lived at, it wasn't like he was slanging dope in the projects at 230 am. Maybe it was John Lennon's fault that he got shot by some batshit crazy fan, because it's obvious that this cocaine addicted, convicted felon was right to go after him.
it wasn't like he was slanging dope in the projects at 230 am.
Hey now, I've bought dope from JFF many a time, and let me tell you, his shit is DA bomb son.
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He's already too big for this team. He's too big for any team. He's a celebrity who plays football.
Media and crazy people are going to chase him around all the time and will only get more intrusive should he become a starter. This only gets bigger and worse.
Not even playing and he's already had more negative media than most players ever get in their entire career. Not all, but a lot of it self inflicted. I'm sure Ray Farmer was thrilled to get that call early Saturday morning just before the team heads to Atlanta. I bet Pettine loves having to answer questions about negative non football stuff re the back up QB.
Dude is a walking distraction that only gets bigger with more status. It will be his downfall in the NFL because no staff wants to waste time on this stupidity. Makes no difference if Manziel is totally innocent. I'd actually feel bad for the guy if he didn't thrive on all the attention when it works in his favor. Can't cry about the bad press while you bask in the glow of the fame that causes it.
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AND let's not forget the unwritten rule that players should have their feet off the ground by the end of practice friday. monday and thursdays are the days players go out to 'go out'. anything after that then you are putting yourself out there for criticism. sure, the NFLPA will say different but you could tell by pettine's demeanor on the mic today that he didn't like answering questions about what happened to his second stringer at 2:30 in the morning on saturday the day they flew into atlanta.
He was with his mom at the building he lived at, it wasn't like he was slanging dope in the projects at 230 am. Maybe it was John Lennon's fault that he got shot by some batshit crazy fan, because it's obvious that this cocaine addicted, convicted felon was right to go after him.
He was with his mom at the building he lived at, it wasn't like he was slanging dope in the projects at 230 am. Maybe it was John Lennon's fault that he got shot by some batshit crazy fan, because it's obvious that this cocaine addicted, convicted felon was right to go after him.
i really doubt that his mom was with him and his friend in the lobby of the building @2:30 in the morning. if that's the case shame on him for having his mom out that late.
i'm thinking his mom was in his room sleeping while him and his boy were creeping, for what? maybe we'll never know. i know at 2:30 AM in cleveland it's not like you're getting chinese food delivered.
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He was with his mom at the building he lived at, it wasn't like he was slanging dope in the projects at 230 am. Maybe it was John Lennon's fault that he got shot by some batshit crazy fan, because it's obvious that this cocaine addicted, convicted felon was right to go after him.
i really doubt that his mom was with him and his friend in the lobby of the building @2:30 in the morning. if that's the case shame on him for having his mom out that late.
i'm thinking his mom was in his room sleeping while him and his boy were creeping, for what? maybe we'll never know. i know at 2:30 AM in cleveland it's not like you're getting chinese food delivered.
i really doubt that his mom was with him and his friend in the lobby of the building @2:30 in the morning. if that's the case shame on him for having his mom out that late.
i'm thinking his mom was in his room sleeping while him and his boy were creeping, for what? maybe we'll never know. i know at 2:30 AM in cleveland it's not like you're getting chinese food delivered.
On the prowl for some bitches of course
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Archie Manning sucked
He was a bust. He never amounted to anything except he fathered Superbowl winning QB's
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
I know all these stats. Think about this. Most of the qb's that are 1st round busts have 1 thing in common. They all have prototypical NFL bodies. I could name LOTS of names here, how about I just say Jamarcus Russell and be done.
Also, many success stories of pro qb's that were not thought of as great prospects by draft "gurus"
were not "NFL size". Examples here are Flutie, Garcia, Romo.
What I surmise from this is that too much weight is put on how a qb looks and not enough on other tangibles and intangibles. Vince Young made a 6 on the Wonderlic. SIX!!! Yet he was still drafted top 4 because he was 6' 5" with a big arm. So many red flags and he was still WAY overdrafted.
Whatever I say obviously doesn't mean anything. We'll see what Johnny is as a pro, but here are some reasons I think he'll excel.
1. He's a great leader. Many here say that Hoyer is a great leader, and from what I've seen, I agree. If Johnny plays for Cleveland, qb leadership won't be a problem. His past teammates and coaches rave about his leadership.
2. Mobilty.
3. Instinct. In college, he always seemed to know when to take off, which way to go, when to scramble to throw.... Never seen anyone like him. Yes, it was college.
3. Accuracy. 70%
4. Fearlessness. For a freshman to go into Alabama and win for A&M was almost a miracle. Yes, it was college. Take a look at NFL rosters and you'll see most of the guys on the field trying to stop him that day.
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4 Continued. If you look at his demeanor that game, look at his face, he had no doubt what he was going to do. Call it cocky, call it confident. I call it crucial for a winning qb.
5. He has a good strong arm, not great but above average.
6. He's smart. He got 33 on the Wonderlic.
7. Ability to avoid bog hits. He rushed for 1700+ yards as a Frshman and rarely took a "killshot" hit.
He's so quick and sees the field so well that he manages to avoid big hits. He took a couple big hits his second year because he had to, which leads to number...
8. Competitiveness. I've never seen anybody want to win more than Johnny. The 2 big hits I remember from year two were two plays he was trying to win the game. Once at the Auburn goal line, and once on 4th and 7 when he ran up the middle for a first down. The guy LOVES competing. He will do whatever it takes to win.
But he's not 6' 4" 230, so people doubt him. Texas fans, Baylor fans, Alabama fans all told me he wouldn't make it through a second year in the sec. "He's too small, he parties too much, he only cares about himself. SEC defenses are gonna kill him." All proven wrong.
Will Johnny prove his NFL detractors wrong? I don't know. I think he will. I hope he will. I guarantee he is not gonna be a Ryan Leaf/Jamarcus Russell type bust, though. He will work hard to make Cleveland fans proud.
Sorry for this being 2 posts, accidentally hit post on the first one.
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Archie Manning sucked
He was a bust. He never amounted to anything except he fathered Superbowl winning QB's
Archie Manning sucked
He was a bust. He never amounted to anything except he fathered Superbowl winning QB's
Having the ability to reproduce after having played with the Saints back then is enough of an accomplishment to not be labeled a bust.
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He was with his mom at the building he lived at, it wasn't like he was slanging dope in the projects at 230 am. Maybe it was John Lennon's fault that he got shot by some batshit crazy fan, because it's obvious that this cocaine addicted, convicted felon was right to go after him.
i really doubt that his mom was with him and his friend in the lobby of the building @2:30 in the morning. if that's the case shame on him for having his mom out that late.
i'm thinking his mom was in his room sleeping while him and his boy were creeping, for what? maybe we'll never know. i know at 2:30 AM in cleveland it's not like you're getting chinese food delivered.
i really doubt that his mom was with him and his friend in the lobby of the building @2:30 in the morning. if that's the case shame on him for having his mom out that late.
i'm thinking his mom was in his room sleeping while him and his boy were creeping, for what? maybe we'll never know. i know at 2:30 AM in cleveland it's not like you're getting chinese food delivered.
He was in his apartment building walking to his room! Maybe some coked up moron will show up at your house one day late at night and try to hug you, and we'll all chastise you for it.
Look this idiot up on the Erie county court docs that went to 'hug' Manziel. He has a pretty lengthy criminal record for public intox, DUI, fraud, drug use, spanning back to 2001, yet you'll take his word for it over one of our players.
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Long post that really says not a fucking thing.
short post that says even less and brings zero value.Long post that really says not a fucking thing.
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i really doubt that his mom was with him and his friend in the lobby of the building @2:30 in the morning. if that's the case shame on him for having his mom out that late.
i'm thinking his mom was in his room sleeping while him and his boy were creeping, for what? maybe we'll never know. i know at 2:30 AM in cleveland it's not like you're getting chinese food delivered.
He was in his apartment building walking to his room! Maybe some coked up moron will show up at your house one day late at night and try to hug you, and we'll all chastise you for it.
Look this idiot up on the Erie county court docs that went to 'hug' Manziel. He has a pretty lengthy criminal record for public intox, DUI, fraud, drug use, spanning back to 2001, yet you'll take his word for it over one of our players.
He was in his apartment building walking to his room! Maybe some coked up moron will show up at your house one day late at night and try to hug you, and we'll all chastise you for it.
Look this idiot up on the Erie county court docs that went to 'hug' Manziel. He has a pretty lengthy criminal record for public intox, DUI, fraud, drug use, spanning back to 2001, yet you'll take his word for it over one of our players.
the LOBBY of his building!! not on the floor where he stays! what are you doing in the lobby of your building if not coming in from outside or meeting someone or somebody in that lobby?
answer me that batman?
man i should've been a detective.
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