I know you guys don't like last years draft hindsight threads...
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... we picked Seantrel Henderson in Round 7 and he has started at RT all year. Every team finds some gems but also whiffs on rounds 1-4 from time to time.
Our real issue (or at least mine) is we did not even play day 3. What Day 3 picks we did not deal away maneuvering Day 1, we traded away later. Missed some good, cheap value in a very deep draft.
Everyone knew Seantrel's talent. Everyone knew he'd been a problem child in Miami. All he needed was a nurturing environment like Buffalo... or Cleveland. Great pick by the Buffalo FO.
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i saw borland yesterday flying around. he's fast but i wouldn't call him dominate by any means. he is a sure tackler though.
friggin what happened to the 49ers? harbaugh and the team look like they just quit. guess he's getting ready to head to ann arbor and already has his bags packed.
and yes, biting off that other thread kaepernik looks average when he's not running.
i saw borland yesterday flying around. he's fast but i wouldn't call him dominate by any means. he is a sure tackler though.
friggin what happened to the 49ers? harbaugh and the team look like they just quit. guess he's getting ready to head to ann arbor and already has his bags packed.
and yes, biting off that other thread kaepernik looks average when he's not running.
He dominated Lynch in the 1st half when they met 1v1. Didn't blow him out of his socks by any means, nobody's gonna do that...but when Borland met Lynch in the hole there wasn't more than a few more inches of forward progress. And a couple times Borland met him in the backfield and blew the whole play up even if he was helped by other tacklers. There were plenty of 1v1 meetings though to make me go holy shit that rookie is holding his own. Lynch is a vet too remember, Borland is only gonna get stronger and faster. That's kind of scary. For the 9'ers to have that kind of depth now at LB'er is ridiculous. And that Wilhoite (Sp?) on the other side of Borland is no slouch either, but Borland is clearly the main run stopper. And that new kid Aaron Lynch? He's gonna be as good as Aldon at that OLB'er spot. What sucks for the 9'ers is that Harbaugh hitched his wagon to Kaepernick, and I think that's why he's on his way out. They have a limited window with the current defense, although it does look like they're retooling, so I think the owner realizes that the offense is just not gonna run well through Kapernick.
And I swear I'm done with the 9'ers if they keep using Hyde as a kick/punt returner. That's your fucking future workhorse wtf are they doing?
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The Browns are 7-4 and still in the playoff discussion.
Borland's 49ers are being shown the door.
Stop your whining. Apparently you don't know how to enjoy success.
GO BROWNS!!!
The Browns are 7-4 and still in the playoff discussion.
Borland's 49ers are being shown the door.
Stop your whining. Apparently you don't know how to enjoy success.
GO BROWNS!!!
Oh for fuck sake dude I'm enjoying the success we're having. But I'm not gonna back down from commenting on personnel mistakes we're making because this team could be dominating the division if our defense was playing better and more consistent. And no it's not injuries, infact injuries haven't lessened or improved our front 7's performance. Our secondary is the ONLY reason this season is still in play...do you realize that? If not for our secondary we're probably in the basement of the North again. This was a year I feel we could have put a stamp on the North for a couple years to come.
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Oh yeah. Guys have all kinds of Mock Draft contests, total offensive yards per game contest, and our offensive coordinator (Hackett) is quite predictable (run, run, pass) so we have a weekly "Guess the first play from scrimmage"...inevitably, 50% of the members guess dive play, up the middle for two yards. It would be fun to link up the two boards somehow for game days or pre-game threads because you guys are a lot like us (not like those knit wits in Bahhhhston or J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets. Ugh.yeah i think i had him in one of our mock draft threads.
you guys do that on the bill's forum? we do draft mocks, the annual w-l record threads before the year and different fantasy games.
wonder if we can make a contest out of the W-L record thing?
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A. I did not say Kirksey has been terrific, I said he IS terrific. And whining about borland....
Really? Have you looked at the 49'ner won loss record? They've lost seven games.
Now, how many have the Browns lost?
I liked Borland in the draft. But he has little short arms, and injuries. The niners lost to Chicago,
of all teams - gave up 28 pts. Gave up 23 in an Arizona loss, 42 in the first Denver loss, gave up 23 to Baltimore,
and gave up 34 points to Denver in a 34-0 shut-out.
And the niners didn't have a brand new defense with new coaches.
And Kirksey is terrific. No thanks, I'll keep Kirksey and the Browns 7-4 record.
Kirksey is learning, the whole defense has been learning a new defense.
And Kirksey is regarded as terrific by his team.
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A. I did not say Kirksey has been terrific, I said he IS terrific. And whining about borland....
Really? Have you looked at the 49'ner won loss record? They've lost seven games.
Now, how many have the Browns lost?
I liked Borland in the draft. But he has little short arms, and injuries. The niners lost to Chicago,
of all teams - gave up 28 pts. Gave up 23 in an Arizona loss, 42 in the first Denver loss, gave up 23 to Baltimore,
and gave up 34 points to Denver in a 34-0 shut-out.
And the niners didn't have a brand new defense with new coaches.
And Kirksey is terrific. No thanks, I'll keep Kirksey and the Browns 7-4 record.
Kirksey is learning, the whole defense has been learning a new defense.
And Kirksey is regarded as terrific by his team.
A. I did not say Kirksey has been terrific, I said he IS terrific. And whining about borland....
Really? Have you looked at the 49'ner won loss record? They've lost seven games.
Now, how many have the Browns lost?
I liked Borland in the draft. But he has little short arms, and injuries. The niners lost to Chicago,
of all teams - gave up 28 pts. Gave up 23 in an Arizona loss, 42 in the first Denver loss, gave up 23 to Baltimore,
and gave up 34 points to Denver in a 34-0 shut-out.
And the niners didn't have a brand new defense with new coaches.
And Kirksey is terrific. No thanks, I'll keep Kirksey and the Browns 7-4 record.
Kirksey is learning, the whole defense has been learning a new defense.
And Kirksey is regarded as terrific by his team.
Actually Cal the Niners are 7-5. But they will have to jump the 8-4 Lions and Seahawks to make the playoffs, or hope Arizona totally collapses down the stretch. If you look at the Lions schedule they should go 4-1. Ergo, for the Niners to make the playoffs they must beat Seattle, in Seattle. Lotsa luck there.
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Nah- good points but you can drive yourself crazy looking in the rearview mirror. Kirksey has played above what you'd expect out of a third round pick. Or want to bash on David Veikune, Kaluka Maiava, and Beau Bell?
Other than Manziel- I would have taken Carr instead, Damn little to fault in Farmer's first draft. And he hit it out of the park in his FA pickups. Gabriel, Crowell, and Williams. Getting Whither was a wash losing Ward, and Dansby is an upgrade over Jackson.
Nah- good points but you can drive yourself crazy looking in the rearview mirror. Kirksey has played above what you'd expect out of a third round pick. Or want to bash on David Veikune, Kaluka Maiava, and Beau Bell?
Other than Manziel- I would have taken Carr instead, Damn little to fault in Farmer's first draft. And he hit it out of the park in his FA pickups. Gabriel, Crowell, and Williams. Getting Whither was a wash losing Ward, and Dansby is an upgrade over Jackson.
In the weeks before the draft I was dead sure they'd take Khalil Mack or Evans at #4 and Derek Carr at 26. I was stunned and still am with The trade with Buffalo and then Gilbert in the first round. Not to mention Manziel. So here we are watching the likes of Evans, Watkins, Odell Beckham, Martavis Bryant, Jordan Mathews etc and they're calling it the best wide out class ever. Farmer knew Gordon was going to be suspended and acted like a stubborn child. And why Manziel? A college freshman sensation who's liable to end up another Tebow. We sure will never know cuz there's no way he's a Brown next year.
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Actually Cal the Niners are 7-5 Mr. Hoorta
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Now, don't stop me, I was on a roll... the site I was at,
had the preseason games listed after the regular season.
I was tired. Had to stoke the fireplace...needed a rootbeer.
Outside of that, though, the Browns are doing fine with a 7-4 record,
and I don't see the big deal with nitpicking on the draft.
I don't know the niners' defensive scheme, and there are all sorts of factors
to comparisons. Kirksey plays sideliine to sideline - and it's a new defense.
All of our mock drafts are wrong. I don't get complaining unless a Browns draftee
sucks. And that is far from the situation. At least maybe wait til after the season?
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Henderson is RT...but yes, I was kind of saying the same thing above.George C said:
When this draft class finishes its third season before you anoint them great.
Want to evaluate your front office? IMO, Dont look at 1-3.
That is pure crap shoot from the countries best potential.
You hit or bust on early round draft picks. The busts come out of nowhere for no reason. It just happens every year.
Look for what value your FO plucks in 4-7. Lots of gems buried there, and whoever finds them wins games.
The Bills BLEW their second on a LT who looks like he plays in quick sand, but scored a direct hit in round 7 with a guy now rated as a mid first round pick in Seantrel Henderson, our starting RG.
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George C said:
When this draft class finishes its third season before you anoint them great.
Want to evaluate your front office? IMO, Dont look at 1-3.
That is pure crap shoot from the countries best potential.
You hit or bust on early round draft picks. The busts come out of nowhere for no reason. It just happens every year.
Look for what value your FO plucks in 4-7. Lots of gems buried there, and whoever finds them wins games.
The Bills BLEW their second on a LT who looks like he plays in quick sand, but scored a direct hit in round 7 with a guy now rated as a mid first round pick in Seantrel Henderson, our starting RG.
I don't really agree with your premise. An FO has to hit a high percentage of their Rnd 1-3 picks, because the talent pool is so dense there. Maybe the random failure of a high #1 is not the end, but accumulate enough misses and its all the talent other teams hit upon that leave you in the dust.
At any rate... Since we only took Desir in rounds 4-7, and traded away the rest of our Day 3 picks, we need a little more data to evaluate our FO. Fortunately for them their FA selections have been golden... Crowell, Gabriel, and Williams have all been significant, rookie contributors. And their vet FA signings have been great as well.
Henderson had a first round grade, reduced by off-field concerns. In the 7th he was a no-brainer.
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A. I did not say Kirksey has been terrific, I said he IS terrific. And whining about borland....
Really? Have you looked at the 49'ner won loss record? They've lost seven games.
Now, how many have the Browns lost?
I liked Borland in the draft. But he has little short arms, and injuries. The niners lost to Chicago,
of all teams - gave up 28 pts. Gave up 23 in an Arizona loss, 42 in the first Denver loss, gave up 23 to Baltimore,
and gave up 34 points to Denver in a 34-0 shut-out.
And the niners didn't have a brand new defense with new coaches.
And Kirksey is terrific. No thanks, I'll keep Kirksey and the Browns 7-4 record.
Kirksey is learning, the whole defense has been learning a new defense.
And Kirksey is regarded as terrific by his team.
Really? Have you looked at the 49'ner won loss record? They've lost seven games.
what does that have to do with how Borland is playing? Have you seen what he's done since he became the starter in week 7? If I'm not mistaken he's got more tackles than both Dansby and Kirksey while not being the starter for 7 games. That's what this thread is about. Not that I think Kirksey is terrible, but how much better Borland is. Better than our big FA signing ILB too I might add. That's the kind of LB'er I want in Cleveland. I've talking for weeks here how none of our guys hardly ever meets the runner in the hole...ever. Not a single run stop has stood out to me the whole season. There are at least 2 or 3 run stops Borland made on Thursday that I can still remember clearly. Against Marshawn Lynch no less. I've made no bones about how unhappy I am with the way this defense is playing the past several weeks despite us still having a winning record. That winnign record is imo solely based on Hoyer. Just think what our record would be if we had been able to keep a few practice squad bums to 100 yds or less. And if this defense really played to it's potential, we might even have had a shot at a first round bye. That's the major source of my frustration. And I don't know really who to rage on for it. Is it the players or scheme? But as to your argument that it's a new scheme....is not Borland in a "new scheme" himself? I dunno....it should frustrate all of you that we weren't able to shit on the North harder.
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Really? Have you looked at the 49'ner won loss record? They've lost seven games.
what does that have to do with how Borland is playing? Have you seen what he's done since he became the starter in week 7? If I'm not mistaken he's got more tackles than both Dansby and Kirksey while not being the starter for 7 games. That's what this thread is about. Not that I think Kirksey is terrible, but how much better Borland is. Better than our big FA signing ILB too I might add. That's the kind of LB'er I want in Cleveland. I've talking for weeks here how none of our guys hardly ever meets the runner in the hole...ever. Not a single run stop has stood out to me the whole season. There are at least 2 or 3 run stops Borland made on Thursday that I can still remember clearly. Against Marshawn Lynch no less. I've made no bones about how unhappy I am with the way this defense is playing the past several weeks despite us still having a winning record. That winnign record is imo solely based on Hoyer. Just think what our record would be if we had been able to keep a few practice squad bums to 100 yds or less. And if this defense really played to it's potential, we might even have had a shot at a first round bye. That's the major source of my frustration. And I don't know really who to rage on for it. Is it the players or scheme? But as to your argument that it's a new scheme....is not Borland in a "new scheme" himself? I dunno....it should frustrate all of you that we weren't able to shit on the North harder.
what does that have to do with how Borland is playing? Have you seen what he's done since he became the starter in week 7? If I'm not mistaken he's got more tackles than both Dansby and Kirksey while not being the starter for 7 games. That's what this thread is about. Not that I think Kirksey is terrible, but how much better Borland is. Better than our big FA signing ILB too I might add. That's the kind of LB'er I want in Cleveland. I've talking for weeks here how none of our guys hardly ever meets the runner in the hole...ever. Not a single run stop has stood out to me the whole season. There are at least 2 or 3 run stops Borland made on Thursday that I can still remember clearly. Against Marshawn Lynch no less. I've made no bones about how unhappy I am with the way this defense is playing the past several weeks despite us still having a winning record. That winnign record is imo solely based on Hoyer. Just think what our record would be if we had been able to keep a few practice squad bums to 100 yds or less. And if this defense really played to it's potential, we might even have had a shot at a first round bye. That's the major source of my frustration. And I don't know really who to rage on for it. Is it the players or scheme? But as to your argument that it's a new scheme....is not Borland in a "new scheme" himself? I dunno....it should frustrate all of you that we weren't able to shit on the North harder.
Those practice squad bums that you referenced are, I'm assuming, Lorenzo Taliaferro, Alfred Blue and Denard Robinson.
Taliaferro rushed 13 times for 71 yards against SF, at 5.5 YPC. Compare that to his 18 carries for 93 yards, for 5 YPC.
Robinson carved up Miami's 11th ranked rushing defense for 108 yards on 18 carries, for a 6.0 YPC. He also fared pretty well against Cincinnati, who's ranked similarly to Cleveland in rushing defense.
So maybe these "practice squad" players are actually fairly decent talent. And maybe, just maybe, our young defense doesn't suck as bad as you suggest.
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what does that have to do with how Borland is playing? Have you seen what he's done since he became the starter in week 7? If I'm not mistaken he's got more tackles than both Dansby and Kirksey while not being the starter for 7 games. That's what this thread is about. Not that I think Kirksey is terrible, but how much better Borland is. Better than our big FA signing ILB too I might add. That's the kind of LB'er I want in Cleveland. I've talking for weeks here how none of our guys hardly ever meets the runner in the hole...ever. Not a single run stop has stood out to me the whole season. There are at least 2 or 3 run stops Borland made on Thursday that I can still remember clearly. Against Marshawn Lynch no less. I've made no bones about how unhappy I am with the way this defense is playing the past several weeks despite us still having a winning record. That winnign record is imo solely based on Hoyer. Just think what our record would be if we had been able to keep a few practice squad bums to 100 yds or less. And if this defense really played to it's potential, we might even have had a shot at a first round bye. That's the major source of my frustration. And I don't know really who to rage on for it. Is it the players or scheme? But as to your argument that it's a new scheme....is not Borland in a "new scheme" himself? I dunno....it should frustrate all of you that we weren't able to shit on the North harder.
Those practice squad bums that you referenced are, I'm assuming, Lorenzo Taliaferro, Alfred Blue and Denard Robinson.
Taliaferro rushed 13 times for 71 yards against SF, at 5.5 YPC. Compare that to his 18 carries for 93 yards, for 5 YPC.
Robinson carved up Miami's 11th ranked rushing defense for 108 yards on 18 carries, for a 6.0 YPC. He also fared pretty well against Cincinnati, who's ranked similarly to Cleveland in rushing defense.
So maybe these "practice squad" players are actually fairly decent talent. And maybe, just maybe, our young defense doesn't suck as bad as you suggest.
Those practice squad bums that you referenced are, I'm assuming, Lorenzo Taliaferro, Alfred Blue and Denard Robinson.
Taliaferro rushed 13 times for 71 yards against SF, at 5.5 YPC. Compare that to his 18 carries for 93 yards, for 5 YPC.
Robinson carved up Miami's 11th ranked rushing defense for 108 yards on 18 carries, for a 6.0 YPC. He also fared pretty well against Cincinnati, who's ranked similarly to Cleveland in rushing defense.
So maybe these "practice squad" players are actually fairly decent talent. And maybe, just maybe, our young defense doesn't suck as bad as you suggest.
don't forget Forsett added another 11 carries for 60 some odd yds. Indy held all 3 Raven RB's to 90 yds on 15 carries total. And Alfred Blue? His best game prior to the Cle game was 78 yds on 13 carries against the awful Giants. Oakland held him to 40 yds on 11 carries. C'mon dude these guys are shit. Look at Blues game log and you see one particular game stand out rather conspicuously. Infact if it weren't for that one game he's probably back on the Texans practice squad. 35% of his total season yds came against one team. C'mon really? Our run defense doesn't suck?
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Oh and Denard's back to reality too...14 carries for 25 yds against Indy. Actually I'm sorry that's a solid Trich outing my bad.
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George C said:
For a no brainier, everyone passed up on him. Off field concerns don't seem to carry weight if the player performs, especially at tackle.
Solid tackles are almost as hard to develop as a QB, and this guy seems dedicated to working hard to get past the past and becoming the player he has the talent to become.
Off field issues? Hell, the Ravens kept their murderer.. Off field concerns are almost a joke IMHO. Teams are so hypocritical with that label. If the player performs, he can almost be OJ Simpson off the field.
I believe over 50% of first round picks are out of the league by the third year. Don't quote me, but I know I'm close.
The dense talent pool of blue chippers are still littered with lemons in the making. But identifying and selecting early round players is as dense as the talent, which makes it somewhat easier.
Want players who can keep a team winning? It's the FO job to find those late round gems. Those are the picks the scouts have to drive those thousands of miles and work hard to identify.
That was my original point.
When the Bills had Bill Polian as their GM, the Bills were solid in the mid to late rounds which brought us our success in the 90s. From then until last year, our mid round choices seemed to be the Bills early cut list.
I really like two of the regulars on ESPN's NFL Insiders, Louis Riddick and Bill Polian. I record the show daily and fast forward through most topics excepting when they talk. Browns' segments and other topics of interest, I listen to in their entirety, and most of the time they reinforce Louis' and Bill's command.
"No brainer" was intended to speak well of Seantrel's value, not to minimize the pick.
When you say gems"... are you talking good or great players?
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Those practice squad bums that you referenced are, I'm assuming, Lorenzo Taliaferro, Alfred Blue and Denard Robinson.
Taliaferro rushed 13 times for 71 yards against SF, at 5.5 YPC. Compare that to his 18 carries for 93 yards, for 5 YPC.
Robinson carved up Miami's 11th ranked rushing defense for 108 yards on 18 carries, for a 6.0 YPC. He also fared pretty well against Cincinnati, who's ranked similarly to Cleveland in rushing defense.
So maybe these "practice squad" players are actually fairly decent talent. And maybe, just maybe, our young defense doesn't suck as bad as you suggest.
don't forget Forsett added another 11 carries for 60 some odd yds. Indy held all 3 Raven RB's to 90 yds on 15 carries total. And Alfred Blue? His best game prior to the Cle game was 78 yds on 13 carries against the awful Giants. Oakland held him to 40 yds on 11 carries. C'mon dude these guys are shit. Look at Blues game log and you see one particular game stand out rather conspicuously. Infact if it weren't for that one game he's probably back on the Texans practice squad. 35% of his total season yds came against one team. C'mon really? Our run defense doesn't suck?
don't forget Forsett added another 11 carries for 60 some odd yds. Indy held all 3 Raven RB's to 90 yds on 15 carries total. And Alfred Blue? His best game prior to the Cle game was 78 yds on 13 carries against the awful Giants. Oakland held him to 40 yds on 11 carries. C'mon dude these guys are shit. Look at Blues game log and you see one particular game stand out rather conspicuously. Infact if it weren't for that one game he's probably back on the Texans practice squad. 35% of his total season yds came against one team. C'mon really? Our run defense doesn't suck?
1,000 yard rusher Justin Forsett? With back-to-back-to-back 100+ yard games?
When we get a back that does that, let me know.
Secondly, holding an opposing team to 90 yards on 15 carries isn't "holding" then at all. That's a 6.0 YPC. That's getting run all over. Baltimore didn't get stopped on the ground, they just didn't choose to run the ball.
Blue was held to 40 yards on 11 carries against Oakland, you're right. Because Foster rushed for 138 yards and a TD on 28 carries that game. Blue was the change of pace, not the starting RB like he was against us.
31% of Blue's season yards were against the Browns, that is a solid point. But that's probably because 30% of his total season carries were also against Cleveland. The guy has been a full-time, full workload back for one game this season - against Cleveland. Outside of his 36 carry game against Cleveland, he's never carried the ball more than 16 times this season.
Stats are good...but don't try and skew them to suit your argument.
We have a young defense that has had key injuries in the front seven. That's hard to overcome. That's doesn't make it a bad defense, that makes it an unfortunate one.
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don't forget Forsett added another 11 carries for 60 some odd yds. Indy held all 3 Raven RB's to 90 yds on 15 carries total. And Alfred Blue? His best game prior to the Cle game was 78 yds on 13 carries against the awful Giants. Oakland held him to 40 yds on 11 carries. C'mon dude these guys are shit. Look at Blues game log and you see one particular game stand out rather conspicuously. Infact if it weren't for that one game he's probably back on the Texans practice squad. 35% of his total season yds came against one team. C'mon really? Our run defense doesn't suck?
1,000 yard rusher Justin Forsett? With back-to-back-to-back 100+ yard games?
When we get a back that does that, let me know.
Secondly, holding an opposing team to 90 yards on 15 carries isn't "holding" then at all. That's a 6.0 YPC. That's getting run all over. Baltimore didn't get stopped on the ground, they just didn't choose to run the ball.
Blue was held to 40 yards on 11 carries against Oakland, you're right. Because Foster rushed for 138 yards and a TD on 28 carries that game. Blue was the change of pace, not the starting RB like he was against us.
31% of Blue's season yards were against the Browns, that is a solid point. But that's probably because 30% of his total season carries were also against Cleveland. The guy has been a full-time, full workload back for one game this season - against Cleveland. Outside of his 36 carry game against Cleveland, he's never carried the ball more than 16 times this season.
Stats are good...but don't try and skew them to suit your argument.
We have a young defense that has had key injuries in the front seven. That's hard to overcome. That's doesn't make it a bad defense, that makes it an unfortunate one.
When we get a back that does that, let me know.
So... a little more free time finally?
And while were at it... I trust that you did not happen to watch the Bills' game.
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When we get a back that does that, let me know.
So... a little more free time finally?
And while were at it... I trust that you did not happen to watch the Bills' game.
So... a little more free time finally?
And while were at it... I trust that you did not happen to watch the Bills' game.
A little more with the holidays coming up... and finally a phone that has decent internet capabilities.
I did not get to watch it, I was driving home after the long Thanksgiving weekend. Listened to it here and there on the radio, but didn't want to jinx them. Turns out it didn't matter, they still lost.
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don't forget Forsett added another 11 carries for 60 some odd yds. Indy held all 3 Raven RB's to 90 yds on 15 carries total. And Alfred Blue? His best game prior to the Cle game was 78 yds on 13 carries against the awful Giants. Oakland held him to 40 yds on 11 carries. C'mon dude these guys are shit. Look at Blues game log and you see one particular game stand out rather conspicuously. Infact if it weren't for that one game he's probably back on the Texans practice squad. 35% of his total season yds came against one team. C'mon really? Our run defense doesn't suck?
1,000 yard rusher Justin Forsett? With back-to-back-to-back 100+ yard games?
When we get a back that does that, let me know.
Secondly, holding an opposing team to 90 yards on 15 carries isn't "holding" then at all. That's a 6.0 YPC. That's getting run all over. Baltimore didn't get stopped on the ground, they just didn't choose to run the ball.
Blue was held to 40 yards on 11 carries against Oakland, you're right. Because Foster rushed for 138 yards and a TD on 28 carries that game. Blue was the change of pace, not the starting RB like he was against us.
31% of Blue's season yards were against the Browns, that is a solid point. But that's probably because 30% of his total season carries were also against Cleveland. The guy has been a full-time, full workload back for one game this season - against Cleveland. Outside of his 36 carry game against Cleveland, he's never carried the ball more than 16 times this season.
Stats are good...but don't try and skew them to suit your argument.
We have a young defense that has had key injuries in the front seven. That's hard to overcome. That's doesn't make it a bad defense, that makes it an unfortunate one.
1,000 yard rusher Justin Forsett? With back-to-back-to-back 100+ yard games?
When we get a back that does that, let me know.
Secondly, holding an opposing team to 90 yards on 15 carries isn't "holding" then at all. That's a 6.0 YPC. That's getting run all over. Baltimore didn't get stopped on the ground, they just didn't choose to run the ball.
Blue was held to 40 yards on 11 carries against Oakland, you're right. Because Foster rushed for 138 yards and a TD on 28 carries that game. Blue was the change of pace, not the starting RB like he was against us.
31% of Blue's season yards were against the Browns, that is a solid point. But that's probably because 30% of his total season carries were also against Cleveland. The guy has been a full-time, full workload back for one game this season - against Cleveland. Outside of his 36 carry game against Cleveland, he's never carried the ball more than 16 times this season.
Stats are good...but don't try and skew them to suit your argument.
We have a young defense that has had key injuries in the front seven. That's hard to overcome. That's doesn't make it a bad defense, that makes it an unfortunate one.
1) Was it Forsett that gouged us specifically though?
2) So by your argument, give any bum off the street enough carries and he'll carve our defense up? Well why don't we call guys out of the stands on sunday then...seems like a solid plan. Should be fine.
3) I understand we've had injuries, but this goes back to game 1. There's something amiss with our run defense and I'm the first to admit I have zero clue what it is...scheme or personnel or both. No idea. Can't figure it out. On Sunday at least though, Robertson was sniffing the gaps. First time I've seen one of our ILB'ers really meet guys in the hole for coffee and pleasantries. First time. If it was me I'd keep him there even if Dansby came back.
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So... a little more free time finally?
And while were at it... I trust that you did not happen to watch the Bills' game.
A little more with the holidays coming up... and finally a phone that has decent internet capabilities.
I did not get to watch it, I was driving home after the long Thanksgiving weekend. Listened to it here and there on the radio, but didn't want to jinx them. Turns out it didn't matter, they still lost.
I did not get to watch it, I was driving home after the long Thanksgiving weekend. Listened to it here and there on the radio, but didn't want to jinx them. Turns out it didn't matter, they still lost.
... or the jynx extends to the radio as well...
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