DA to the Jets
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Where the hell is Lumfreddy at?
I'm pretty sure he's plotting this guy's murder.
Chickenwang said:
You guys are dreaming. Browns fans aren't the only people in the world to watch how awful of a QB DA is. Seriously, he is that bad. They can draw as much hype as they want, nobody wants him.mz. said:
I'm pretty sure he's plotting this guy's murder.Queen's next..........it's just a matter of time before we hear of some crazy shit how a DA stalker with hiking boots, flannel shirt and Tonya Harding tattoo was last seen fleeing the scene jamming some Air Supply.
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it'd be a steal if we traded Anderson for a 2nd and 5th
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Aloysius said:
Sanchez's arm strength isn't ideal for Schottenheimer's vertical offense or throwing into the wind at the Meadowlands. Won't necessarily stop them from taking Sanchez, but I think it makes them less likely to fork over a ton of picks for him.On the DA possibility, here's Adam Schefter:
Since being in New York, Schotts QB's have been closer to the bottom of the league in yards passing per attempts. I always thought he liked the shorter pasing game.
During the two years he had Pennington that's all they did was dink and dunk. Favre's yards per attempt was exactly the same as Pennington's the year before.
Pennington, who has one of the worst arms in the league, had four or five very successful years playing in windy New York. Sanchez's arm is twice that of Pennigton's!
That windy stuff is overrated. Cleveland's old Municple stadium was famous for it's winds and look what a fairly weak armed Bernie did all those years! Look what an even weaker armed Brian Sipe did! Fran Tarkenton in Minnesota! Joe Montana in San Fran! The list goes on and on.
I would LOVE to be sitting where San Fran is and try and get NY's second rounder to move down a few spots...San Fran would get picks 17, 43 and 53 instead of just 10 and 43. In this extremely deep draft I'd do that in a hartbeat if the Jets would give up their #2 to move up.
oldcow1945 said:
Since being in New York, Schotts QB's have been closer to the bottom of the league in yards passing per attempts. I always thought he liked the shorter pasing game.During the two years he had Pennington that's all they did was dink and dunk. Favre's yards per attempt was exactly the same as Pennington's the year before.
You could be right. My impression is that Schottenheimer is more of a Turner disciple, but Mangini did say that they incorporated some WCO elements into the offense. It could be that he dinked and dunked because Pennington's got a weak arm, and it does look like Favre's YPA went way down after he hurt his arm (stats here). Could be that it's all about Schottenheimer having the right QB.
Pennington, who has one of the worst arms in the league, had four or five very successful years playing in windy New York. Sanchez's arm is twice that of Pennigton's!
That windy stuff is overrated. Cleveland's old Municple stadium was famous for it's winds and look what a fairly weak armed Bernie did all those years! Look what an even weaker armed Brian Sipe did! Fran Tarkenton in Minnesota! Joe Montana in San Fran! The list goes on and on.
I think Todd McShay said today that Sanchez's arm is "slightly better" than Pennington's. He said that Sanchez wouldn't rate in the top 5 QB prospects in terms of arm strength.
Pennington did succeed in New York, but there were always questions about whether they could make all the throws in that stadium. Maybe it's an exaggerated issue, but it's something that a team looking for a franchise QB could take into account.
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I don't think Sanchez gets past San Fran. Don't count our Cleamons as the Jets QB. They may just bring in a veteran to compete with him.
I can see Anderson in NY before I see them spending their #1 pick on him.
IMO, I don't think QB is their biggest need.
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It's funny how a weak armed Pennington was the X-factor for the Jets then for Miami.
I think everyone puts WAY to much stock in arm strength when evaluating qbs.
You've got to look at the whole package.
Leadership.
Accuracy. (part of throwing mechanics)
Catchability. (you can combine it with accuracy if you want, they go hand in hand, another part of throwing mechanics)
Ability to read a defensive coverage and anticipate openings or audibling to those openings.
Arm strength.
Mobility. (be able to move around the pocket so his oline can get in place for blocks)
Pennington could probably throw a ball further than anyone here. Sure it was "weak" in comparison to other qb's but it was enough. He made up for a perceived weakness by excelling in the other mentioned attributes.
I'd take Pennington over DA any day of the week and draft Pennington over the big arms.
Now if NY is willing to cough up a 2nd for less than what they got rid of then I'd be all over that.
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oldcow1945 said:
Since being in New York, Schotts QB's have been closer to the bottom of the league in yards passing per attempts. I always thought he liked the shorter pasing game.During the two years he had Pennington that's all they did was dink and dunk. Favre's yards per attempt was exactly the same as Pennington's the year before.
You could be right. My impression is that Schottenheimer is more of a Turner disciple, but Mangini did say that they incorporated some WCO elements into the offense. It could be that he dinked and dunked because Pennington's got a weak arm, and it does look like Favre's YPA went way down after he hurt his arm (stats here). Could be that it's all about Schottenheimer having the right QB.
Pennington, who has one of the worst arms in the league, had four or five very successful years playing in windy New York. Sanchez's arm is twice that of Pennigton's!
That windy stuff is overrated. Cleveland's old Municple stadium was famous for it's winds and look what a fairly weak armed Bernie did all those years! Look what an even weaker armed Brian Sipe did! Fran Tarkenton in Minnesota! Joe Montana in San Fran! The list goes on and on.
I think Todd McShay said today that Sanchez's arm is "slightly better" than Pennington's. He said that Sanchez wouldn't rate in the top 5 QB prospects in terms of arm strength.
Pennington did succeed in New York, but there were always questions about whether they could make all the throws in that stadium. Maybe it's an exaggerated issue, but it's something that a team looking for a franchise QB could take into account.
Aloysius said:
I think Todd McShay said today that Sanchez's arm is "slightly better" than Pennington's. He said that Sanchez wouldn't rate in the top 5 QB prospects in terms of arm strength.Wow... Where is McShay coming up with that comparison? Tell me please that McShay was referring to Pennington's arm when he came out of school and not Pennington's arm today.
Today there is no comparison between Sanchez's arm and Pennington's arm....It's laughable to even suggest Sanchez's arm is only a bit better than Pennington's.
I'm going to check but I thought I remember reading in various scouting reports that Sanchez has good velocity combined with a quick release and this is one of the things that makes him so special.
I know he doesn't have a 'Gun'....But he's not Chad Pennington!
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@shepwrite said:
Man, arm strength discussions are interesting. It was commonly said in L.A. that Sanchez has Carson Palmer arm strength, way more than Leinart or Booty. Odd how it went down so much (!). He has a big-time NFL arm.That's what I thought I remembered reading a long time ago about Sanchez.
I agree that discussions about arm strength are interesting too. I truly think arm strength is so overrated. There are just too many Qb's throughout history that had supposedly weak arms and had wonderful careers....The greatest being Montana.
But then we see guys like Dorsey this year and realize that being weak armed can be a real problem too.
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I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
Good thing the Browns don't have that problem huh...
Our QB is ready to put up them numbers........2 starts and shelved for the season....
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I don't think Sanchez gets past San Fran. Don't count our Cleamons as the Jets QB. They may just bring in a veteran to compete with him.
I can see Anderson in NY before I see them spending their #1 pick on him.
IMO, I don't think QB is their biggest need.
I don't think Sanchez gets past San Fran. Don't count our Cleamons as the Jets QB. They may just bring in a veteran to compete with him.
I can see Anderson in NY before I see them spending their #1 pick on him.
IMO, I don't think QB is their biggest need.
I really don't think Clemens is in NY's plans after seeing him start several games. He was awful at times.
5 TD's to 10 INT's and a 60 rating. I think he's a career back up.
I'd bet anything that the Jets are working hard at bringing in a new starter. Weather it be Stafford, Sanchez, Anderson, etc.
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Back to Sanchez's arm strength, here are two reports on how he looked at the Combine:
Mark Sanchez: When breaking Sanchez down on film it is obvious he struggles getting the pass down field and the ball loses a lot of velocity on throws outside of 25-yards. He did nothing to quell that criticism today. In the end Sanchez just does not have a big time NFL arm.
Mark Sanchez/USC - Did not look good throughout the session. Sanchez's passes were highly inaccurate on all of his out routes. His deep passes faded in the air. And he was simply not able to get into any rhythm, especially outside of the hashes
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