Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Why not?
Because the AFC North is still in play and, possibly, a playoff berth.
With Hoyer or despite Hoyer (take your pick), the team has won 7 games.
If they stumble the next week - especially the next two weeks - I believe the plug will be pulled and Hoyer's dream of being a starter for the Browns - or for any NFL team - won't be achieved.
I give the guy credit. While I never believed he would be an - even - average NFL QB - I know nothing about evaluating such things. The Browns' brass, however, saw Hoyer and drafted JF. They do know a lot more than me.
In short, ride the Hoyer train as long as there is light at the end of the tunnel (playoffs). If, and when, this occurs, pull the plug and insert JF (for better or worse).
Just my 2-cents.
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Faded said:
It's going to be fascinating to see what the change will do. I think Manziel will struggle at times and show flashes of brilliance at others. Making the playoffs still seems unlikely, but I'm hopeful.
now you're fucking with me right stockton?
why did you decide to join today? just say it. we already know.
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walter is a politician obviously because he can spin any story his way. "should've drafted watkins.....WAH!!!" should've drafted mack....WAH!!"
a neutral fan: "but walter watkins had only 5 catches for 11 yards with his longest being 5 yards."
walter: "i never wanted watkins. i just wanted the browns to draft everybody else i can think of that might be better than who we drafted. i'll figure it out by the end of the year and come back and proclaim my victory!"
walter is a politician obviously because he can spin any story his way. "should've drafted watkins.....WAH!!!" should've drafted mack....WAH!!"
a neutral fan: "but walter watkins had only 5 catches for 11 yards with his longest being 5 yards."
walter: "i never wanted watkins. i just wanted the browns to draft everybody else i can think of that might be better than who we drafted. i'll figure it out by the end of the year and come back and proclaim my victory!"
This is Walter:
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Absolutely Johnny starts next week. I don't even think it's a discussion
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No.. Johnnys Pass should not have been picked.. he displayed what is called arm strength.. velocity.. you know.. the anility to throw the ball faster with more spin.. giving the dedense less time to react.. the ball went through a perfect window.. hoyer couldnt of made that throw. He doesnt have the arm
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free manziel crackers!!!!! free manziel crackers!!!!
You're weird, not funny, and extremely creepy.
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ManzielSucks said:
Wonder if he goes out and celebrates tonight. Probably see some JF crap in the news tomorrow about his late night crap instead of studying.
One good thing about this is they might realize sooner then later JF sucks and can draft a new potential QB.
He's going to fuck your wife tonight and do the money sign.
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Look at a the new trolls who have joined, the pro manziel people and the anti manziel people. Neither making any sense at all, just spouting off at the mouth about nothing, this should be a fun week.
As a guy who has supportted hoyer all season, I think it was time to see JF today. I also think at the very least he proved he can handle the NFL game, and he should be the starter next week. Gotta say I think I was wrong about hoyer, he def has some great qualities but he just isn't accurate enough. All my support goes to JF at this point.
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there is no way you can go back to Brian Hoyer now. Johnny can play free and with nothing to lose whereas Brian would be looking over his shoulder trying to play perfect.
I take nothing away from horror the Browns are in a playoff position because of him. but with the Alex Mack injury and the pathetic run game johnny has a better skill set for what is needed as far as quarterback scrambling. but with a high injury rate to that skill set Brian Hoyer should remain ready at all times.
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
LOL Walter-just fun watching you try to yank some chains. Some bite, some don't, but still fun to watch.
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Look at a the new trolls who have joined, the pro manziel people and the anti manziel people. Neither making any sense at all, just spouting off at the mouth about nothing, this should be a fun week.
As a guy who has supportted hoyer all season, I think it was time to see JF today. I also think at the very least he proved he can handle the NFL game, and he should be the starter next week. Gotta say I think I was wrong about hoyer, he def has some great qualities but he just isn't accurate enough. All my support goes to JF at this point.
Look at a the new trolls who have joined, the pro manziel people and the anti manziel people. Neither making any sense at all, just spouting off at the mouth about nothing, this should be a fun week.
As a guy who has supportted hoyer all season, I think it was time to see JF today. I also think at the very least he proved he can handle the NFL game, and he should be the starter next week. Gotta say I think I was wrong about hoyer, he def has some great qualities but he just isn't accurate enough. All my support goes to JF at this point.
I honestly don't think accuracy was an issue as much as bad decisions. For some reason he's shown he can make really good ones - but for some reason he's been shitting the bed lately. I support whoever they put behind center on Sunday though (I expect it to be JF - maybe our game coverage map will be bigger than usual)
Seems like the first half offense was entirely based on short routes (some slants that almost got jumped) and quick releases - probably to negate the nasty buffalo pass rush. Hoyer is very good at those sort of throws and fast pace, but when it came time to sit and progress through reads down the field he was just off. Panicking after the 1st read wasn't open, never looks to checkdown most of the time (idk why).
Anyway, thanks to BAL and PITT for shitting the bed today, too.
Also, hopefully I'm not the only one who noticed our run game completely died after McDonald got hurt. Coincidence or not?
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Manziel, came in and played well. Hoyer has looked pretty rancid the last few games. If Pettine is sticking with his philosophy of sticking with the hot hand., manziel is in.
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if you're happy about a Manziel appearance in a Browns loss and you claim to be a Browns fan you're a piece of shit!!!
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I don't care if it is goddamn Vinny Testaverde at QB if it means it will help the Browns win.
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Here's something I'm not seeing many of you say and is the reason Manziel should start the rest of the season. Every pro goes through some bad games, including Brady and Manning. However, people tend to forget that this the first year Hoyer has been "the man" behind center. I too have been a big Hoyer supporter, but today was icing on the cake on the fact that his confidence and edge is GONE. The telling thing for me was after the INT's he threw they would pan to Manziel, Shanny and Hoyer on the sidelines looking at the pictures. Hoyer consistently just was staring ahead while Manziel was sitting there actually reviewing the plays. To me it looked like Hoyer knew his time was up. I truly thank Hoyer for what he brought to Cleveland and the fact he allowed Manziel time to grow.
The bottom line is Hoyer has lost this team under center and his confidence is totally gone. The play over the past month shows it and it's time to move on and see if Manziel can rise to the occasion. We're still right in this playoff scheme.
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@josephsuxdick said:
Yes, he's GOT to start, I mean with the way his "R.I.P. fumble" vid has gone viral, we can't stop the hilarity now!
https://twitter.com/NFLRT/status/539165832065323009/photo/1
Bwahahahahaha!!!!
It was ruled an incomplete pass and he got up and played. The Steelers lost today to a team the Browns beat. If the attempt was to troll than you failed miserably.
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there is no way you can go back to Brian Hoyer now. Johnny can play free and with nothing to lose whereas Brian would be looking over his shoulder trying to play perfect.
I take nothing away from horror the Browns are in a playoff position because of him. but with the Alex Mack injury and the pathetic run game johnny has a better skill set for what is needed as far as quarterback scrambling. but with a high injury rate to that skill set Brian Hoyer should remain ready at all times.
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