Gentlemen, we have irrefutable proof...
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If he starts he's still a rookie with a learning curve. There will be moments of true greatness mixed in with moments of sheer idiocy. It still takes time to develop a rookie QB into an NFL pro. If the time is now just enjoy it for what it is. I'm still not convinced Hoyer won't be given another shot since we still have some playoff potential. But if that is true it will be an even shorter leash than before.
If he starts he's still a rookie with a learning curve. There will be moments of true greatness mixed in with moments of sheer idiocy. It still takes time to develop a rookie QB into an NFL pro. If the time is now just enjoy it for what it is. I'm still not convinced Hoyer won't be given another shot since we still have some playoff potential. But if that is true it will be an even shorter leash than before.
I didn't see him live I had to leave before the end, but watching the rewind seems like the game was a little too fast for him. He just needs some time for that, though.
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I saw some promise in his short amount of time for sure. Lets be fair though, one of those crisp passes should have been an interception. I saw enough to think he earned a start unless there is something the staff knows that will quickly turn around Hoyers slide.
I think it should've been intercepted as well but it's also possible that he has enough arm strength to throw it past the coverage. I don't know anything for sure but it certainly looked like he had more zip on the ball than Hoyer.
I think it should've been intercepted as well but it's also possible that he has enough arm strength to throw it past the coverage. I don't know anything for sure but it certainly looked like he had more zip on the ball than Hoyer.
Easily a stronger arm than BH. I did not think that was ever in doubt... I think the contrast may have helped sneak that ball into Dray.
If he starts he's still a rookie with a learning curve. There will be moments of true greatness mixed in with moments of sheer idiocy. It still takes time to develop a rookie QB into an NFL pro. If the time is now just enjoy it for what it is. I'm still not convinced Hoyer won't be given another shot since we still have some playoff potential. But if that is true it will be an even shorter leash than before.
I think you recycled the "greatness... idiocy" bit from you very first post...
Agree Ag, I don't think it's "irrefutable" just yet. There's still have the tale of the BUF tape to be told and the Colt match up is not a formidable as ones that have given our Hoyer lead Offense trouble.
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I think it should've been intercepted as well but it's also possible that he has enough arm strength to throw it past the coverage. I don't know anything for sure but it certainly looked like he had more zip on the ball than Hoyer.
Easily a stronger arm than BH. I did not think that was ever in doubt... I think the contrast may have helped sneak that ball into Dray.
If he starts he's still a rookie with a learning curve. There will be moments of true greatness mixed in with moments of sheer idiocy. It still takes time to develop a rookie QB into an NFL pro. If the time is now just enjoy it for what it is. I'm still not convinced Hoyer won't be given another shot since we still have some playoff potential. But if that is true it will be an even shorter leash than before.
I think you recycled the "greatness... idiocy" bit from you very first post...
Agree Ag, I don't think it's "irrefutable" just yet. There's still have the tale of the BUF tape to be told and the Colt match up is not a formidable as ones that have given our Hoyer lead Offense trouble.
Agree Ag, I don't think it's "irrefutable" just yet. There's still have the tale of the BUF tape to be told and the Colt match up is not a formidable as ones that have given our Hoyer lead Offense trouble.
We really should be able to run the ball on the Colts next week and that will make things easier on whoever is playing QB. We will also know if our defense is actually playing better or if we've just played shitty offenses the last few weeks when we match up with the Colts.
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Agree Ag, I don't think it's "irrefutable" just yet. There's still have the tale of the BUF tape to be told and the Colt match up is not a formidable as ones that have given our Hoyer lead Offense trouble.
We really should be able to run the ball on the Colts next week and that will make things easier on whoever is playing QB. We will also know if our defense is actually playing better or if we've just played shitty offenses the last few weeks when we match up with the Colts.
We really should be able to run the ball on the Colts next week and that will make things easier on whoever is playing QB. We will also know if our defense is actually playing better or if we've just played shitty offenses the last few weeks when we match up with the Colts.
We need to put up 28pts to win, cause I see 27 getting hung on us. Far too many injuries combined with a really explosive Colts offense spells trouble.
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Faded said:
I'm not sure why my post is condescending. To me it looks like the majority of posters on the board agree that it's time to give JFF a chance, and I'm merely echoing that sentiment. Hoyer has been good at times this year when the defense is playing well and the running game is good, but he hasn't shown he can conjure things out of thin air the way the elite QB's can. You have a guy on the bench who will probably be able to do that at times. Looks like he's about to get his chance.
(I don't want anyone to have a "convulsion" either...;-)
So this is Stockton?
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Faded said:
I'm not sure why my post is condescending. To me it looks like the majority of posters on the board agree that it's time to give JFF a chance, and I'm merely echoing that sentiment. Hoyer has been good at times this year when the defense is playing well and the running game is good, but he hasn't shown he can conjure things out of thin air the way the elite QB's can. You have a guy on the bench who will probably be able to do that at times. Looks like he's about to get his chance.
(I don't want anyone to have a "convulsion" either...;-)
So this is Stockton?
So this is Stockton?
The one and only ( I think a mod should change his name to Coral )
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Or "iLoveHoyer"
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So this is Stockton?
The one and only ( I think a mod should change his name to Coral )
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Can't wait to see what happens. Just what he did today already proved many people wrong.
Can't wait to see what happens. Just what he did today already proved many people wrong.
What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot.
ManzielSucks said:
No crap to cut you don't like it then just wait and see. I will be right.
You had better hope you're wrong. Because we wasted another first round pick if you're right.
Faded said:
I'm not sure why my post is condescending. To me it looks like the majority of posters on the board agree that it's time to give JFF a chance, and I'm merely echoing that sentiment. Hoyer has been good at times this year when the defense is playing well and the running game is good, but he hasn't shown he can conjure things out of thin air the way the elite QB's can. You have a guy on the bench who will probably be able to do that at times. Looks like he's about to get his chance.
(I don't want anyone to have a "convulsion" either...;-)
Faded isn't Stockton. SS can't come back for another day or two- unless he goes to the library and uses another ISP.
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Can't wait to see what happens. Just what he did today already proved many people wrong.
What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot.
ManzielSucks said:
No crap to cut you don't like it then just wait and see. I will be right.
You had better hope you're wrong. Because we wasted another first round pick if you're right.
Faded said:
I'm not sure why my post is condescending. To me it looks like the majority of posters on the board agree that it's time to give JFF a chance, and I'm merely echoing that sentiment. Hoyer has been good at times this year when the defense is playing well and the running game is good, but he hasn't shown he can conjure things out of thin air the way the elite QB's can. You have a guy on the bench who will probably be able to do that at times. Looks like he's about to get his chance.
(I don't want anyone to have a "convulsion" either...;-)
Faded isn't Stockton. SS can't come back for another day or two- unless he goes to the library and uses another ISP.
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ManzielSucks said:
Need to draft a new QB next year, JF is not the answer. Sorry that your football talk doesn't include people that know Manziel won't be a good NFL starter.
And whom do you propose we draft? Mr Ducky? Crab Legs? The guy that plays for the other team in LA ?
Not a franchise QB to be had this year. This team is better served getting a couple critical pieces and assembling a bit more depth at others.
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Hoorta, If you're hoping for Manziel mistakes you're going to be happy.
He's going to make them.
This franchised invested snaps and PT in Hoyer, who has regressed; Manziel has some growing pains to go through.
What we have is an opportunity to give Manziel experience with the outside chance at opening the golden ticket.
and in case you've forgotten, mix this in
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Let's a take a deep breathe and recognize that JM made a couple boners. Hoyer falls on that fumbled snap. That comes with experience. Did anyone notice the desperation shovel pass to West as he was getting tackled? That also can turn out super bad. Those are plays he can't make if he's gonna be a starter in the NFL. Hard to be mad though cause you know it's just coming from his desire to win and we were down 20 or so at that point so who cares. We'll see if he makes plays like that when we're up, in which case he'll incur our wrath pretty quick.
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Let's a take a deep breathe and recognize that JM made a couple boners. Hoyer falls on that fumbled snap. That comes with experience. Did anyone notice the desperation shovel pass to West as he was getting tackled? That also can turn out super bad. Those are plays he can't make if he's gonna be a starter in the NFL. Hard to be mad though cause you know it's just coming from his desire to win and we were down 20 or so at that point so who cares. We'll see if he makes plays like that when we're up, in which case he'll incur our wrath pretty quick.
Did anyone notice the desperation shovel pass to West as he was getting tackled?
OH BULL FUCKING PUSSY,
I see Big Ben make plays like that all the time, he was extending the play for positive yardage.
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Hoorta, If you're hoping for Manziel mistakes you're going to be happy.
He's going to make them.
This franchised invested snaps and PT in Hoyer, who has regressed; Manziel has some growing pains to go through.
What we have is an opportunity to give Manziel experience with the outside chance at opening the golden ticket.
and in case you've forgotten, mix this in
Hoorta, If you're hoping for Manziel mistakes you're going to be happy.
He's going to make them.
This franchised invested snaps and PT in Hoyer, who has regressed; Manziel has some growing pains to go through.
What we have is an opportunity to give Manziel experience with the outside chance at opening the golden ticket.
and in case you've forgotten, mix this in
Well, that .gif makes it official- you came to join the Johnny love train, & that's OK. Must have been lurking for a long while though.
LOL, that toss into the dirt wasn't 1\2 as bad as the immortal Wee-Done underhanded flip for an interception.
I was hoping for the best with Hoyer. If you've been following my train of thought, I've grown more and more skeptical over the last month + about his increasingly erratic play. I'm not a Hoyer homer, or a JFF Fan Boy. I want the Browns to win- preferably now. I've said in the past I'm starting to run out of "wait till next year" fast. Yes, as I said- I didn't like the Manziel pick- at all, as I was against the RG III media circus part 2 that was sure to follow. Got that one right. . Ceiling may be Fran Tarkenton, but the floor is Dave Kingler. It was a bonus pick Farmer felt he could roll the dice on.
Of course, JFF is going to have growing pains. He also had the benefit of sitting for 3\4 of the season to get acclimated to the pro game.
I truly think when Pettine put Manziel in- he had seen enough bad play out of Hoyer to make the switch- and as I've said elsewhere today- I believe the switch is permanent- barring injury.
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Did anyone notice the desperation shovel pass to West as he was getting tackled?
OH BULL FUCKING PUSSY,
I see Big Ben make plays like that all the time, he was extending the play for positive yardage.
OH BULL FUCKING PUSSY,
I see Big Ben make plays like that all the time, he was extending the play for positive yardage.
Slow down man. Even Johnny Football can be subject to criticism
Personally, I just want the browns to win football games and I support whoever is behind center. Personally, I think Manziel deserves the start next Sunday though (lets be real if he gets the start next Sunday he'll probably start the rest of the way unless he gets hurt) - but if Pettine announces Hoyer stays I'm going to support the choice as well.
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Hoorta said " What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot."
College Johnny? I thought the NFL was supposed to chew him up and spit him out. I guess a playmaker in college can still be a playmaker in the pros after all.
Yes I saw the fumble, that happened after the ball was snapped when he wasn't expecting it. That won't happen if he's working with starting center all week.
He showed some things today. He has the arm strength and accuracy. He can run for big plays. It wasn't perfect, no, but some were probably shocked at how fast he wemt 80 yards for the only td of the game.
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Hoorta said " What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot."
College Johnny? I thought the NFL was supposed to chew him up and spit him out. I guess a playmaker in college can still be a playmaker in the pros after all.
Yes I saw the fumble, that happened after the ball was snapped when he wasn't expecting it. That won't happen if he's working with starting center all week.
He showed some things today. He has the arm strength and accuracy. He can run for big plays. It wasn't perfect, no, but some were probably shocked at how fast he wemt 80 yards for the only td of the game.
Hoorta said " What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot."
College Johnny? I thought the NFL was supposed to chew him up and spit him out. I guess a playmaker in college can still be a playmaker in the pros after all.
Yes I saw the fumble, that happened after the ball was snapped when he wasn't expecting it. That won't happen if he's working with starting center all week.
He showed some things today. He has the arm strength and accuracy. He can run for big plays. It wasn't perfect, no, but some were probably shocked at how fast he wemt 80 yards for the only td of the game.
Don't put words in my mouth guy. Manziel had a nice series, did I say something else? Nah, nah nah. praise the good, ignore the bad. Homer. Threw into triple coverage, and got Austin sent to the hospital because of it. Pettine 80 against soft defense. "I need to look at the tape".
Hope you noticed Bills fans mocking the money sign too. Scoreboard beats money sign.
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I guess youre not a Chad Johnson/Ochocinco fan huh Hoorta?
Even though he was a Bengal I LOVED some Ochocinco man. That was entertainment. I loved the celebrations, the press conferences. It was awesome.
Same with Johnny. I di the money signs and the attitude no matter the situation. It can be used to fan the flames to use as fuel for better play.
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