Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Taking back my Page 1 opinion that Johnny should start..
That was my excited visceral reaction to a really exciting end to a REALLY FUCKING BORING and bad game, not just by Hoyer, but the majority of our team. Gordon was out of sync all game, West ran like the rookie he is, and was not helped(nor was Crowell) by a predictable and horrible play calling by our Offensive Coordinators.
Manziel gave us a taste of what CAN BE.. But this must be tempered by the fact that the 80 yard TD drive was during JUNK TIME by the Bills Defense.. I am sure the Buffalo front 4 was just salivating at the possibility of sacking Johnny Fucking Football and getting that distinction in the highlights, but the reality is that they were in prevent defense and were only rushing 4...
This is a very small and very incomplete sample from which to decide whether we hitch our wagon to a rookie, with the first playoff possibility in nearly 8 years on the line...
Hoyer is the right decision and must be given the green light against the Colts at home... Hoyer has proven he OWNS the Bengals, both at home and now at Paul Brown stadium. Hoyer has a great home field advantage and the next two games are home games.
Pettine will choose Hoyer.. I think Hoyer realizes that this is it, he is on a short leash and he won't make it to the half if he throws another pair of interceptions without any TD's.. It isn't acceptable to this coach.. But Hoyer deserves the chance to bounce back from this embarrassing loss as he has laid everything on the line for this team and this city and fans.
Don't get me wrong, I am stoked to see Manziel get out there, but I am even more stoked to see the Browns make the playoffs THIS YEAR!!!! Who would have thought it possible just 3 or 4 months ago....
Things are looking up in Cleveland.. I think we have a future star in Johnny Manziel and I am so excited to see him play.. But now is not the time.
BobPound!
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My dad is like some of you guys here, he all but said he wants to see Manziel fail to prove he was right about not drafting him. REALLY? The Browns are in a playoff race for the first time in a long time and people want to see a dude fail? Good grief.
My dad is like some of you guys here, he all but said he wants to see Manziel fail to prove he was right about not drafting him. REALLY? The Browns are in a playoff race for the first time in a long time and people want to see a dude fail? Good grief.
Hey, he's YOUR dad! Sounds like a personal problem.
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Now everyone acted like Hoyer is good, i said start manziel from the get go could've been 8-4 or 9-3 with manziel, now we are stuck battling. If pettine doesnt start johnny we don't make the playoffs. Mark my words we are making the playoffs if manziel plays it out
Now everyone acted like Hoyer is good, i said start manziel from the get go could've been 8-4 or 9-3 with manziel, now we are stuck battling. If pettine doesnt start johnny we don't make the playoffs. Mark my words we are making the playoffs if manziel plays it out
Manziel was in for one drive. You know that right? I want Manziel to succeed because I want the Browns to succeed. However, I don't sit here and worship at a shrine to the guy until he can prove he is starting quality in the next few games. If he crashes and burns, I want you Manzealots to acknowledge his failure.
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Holy eff this thread is impossible to read through.
I'll take some Manziel crackers if it means the Browns win more games. I'm excited to see Johnny play, but only because we are still in contention for playoffs and to see if he can pull us through our current mini-slump.
However Pettine stated he will see how this week's practice goes and will announce his starter on Wednesday. Either way, Colts are going to be pressed to include studying Manziel this week.
Whoever is under center better be damned ready because they are going to have to put points on the board to keep up with Luck. But Crowell and West will also be heavily relied on to go through Indy's mediocre rush D.
Win Browns goddammit, WIN.
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Now everyone acted like Hoyer is good, i said start manziel from the get go could've been 8-4 or 9-3 with manziel, now we are stuck battling. If pettine doesnt start johnny we don't make the playoffs. Mark my words we are making the playoffs if manziel plays it out
Manziel was in for one drive. You know that right? I want Manziel to succeed because I want the Browns to succeed. However, I don't sit here and worship at a shrine to the guy until he can prove he is starting quality in the next few games. If he crashes and burns, I want you Manzealots to acknowledge his failure.
Manziel was in for one drive. You know that right? I want Manziel to succeed because I want the Browns to succeed. However, I don't sit here and worship at a shrine to the guy until he can prove he is starting quality in the next few games. If he crashes and burns, I want you Manzealots to acknowledge his failure.
One scoring drive* He was in for the fumbling drive (turnover on downs) and maybe they had another one where they ran the clock out didn't get to see it.
I don't care who starts, as long as we finish 15-5!
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There isn't a true Browns fan here that doesn't want Manziel to succeed if he's the starter no matter what they think of him personally. Just like there isn't a true Browns fan who wanted Hoyer to play shitty so that Manziel could play. I don't give a damn who plays QB...I just want to see the team win games. So far this year, Hoyer has done that. It hasn't always been pretty but he's winning. The last two weeks were pretty dismal and although the playoffs are not out of reach yet, it might be time to make the switch. If Hoyer starts Sunday, that leash is going to be pretty damn short because the game is at home and the fans will turn on Hoyer quickly after getting a small taste of Manziel.
I'm betting it's Manziel this week. It's a good match up for him since Indy's defense isn't all that great and we should be able to run the ball on them.
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There is one thing I noticed for certain - those zone stretches really open up a bit more with Johnny. That backside DE/LB must respect the rollout.
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I know we all disagree but sweet Jesus some of the mouth breathing idiots who comment on The Cleveland Browns Facebook page are impossible to stomach.
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You have to start Manziel fro a number of reasons already listed in previous posts.
But you have to be prepared for him to be average at best. He is going to make a ton
of mistakes. He is a rookie and no rookie steps right in and looks like Brady. All the
other rookie QBs drafted this year are having average years at best. There are growing
pains coming. Johnny is no Marino or Luck who are exceptions to the rookie rule. Lets
have the growing pains this year and find out somewhat if this kid can play. As
evidenced Hoyer is a backup QB not a starter.
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Taking back my Page 1 opinion that Johnny should start..
That was my excited visceral reaction to a really exciting end to a REALLY FUCKING BORING and bad game, not just by Hoyer, but the majority of our team. Gordon was out of sync all game, West ran like the rookie he is, and was not helped(nor was Crowell) by a predictable and horrible play calling by our Offensive Coordinators.
Manziel gave us a taste of what CAN BE.. But this must be tempered by the fact that the 80 yard TD drive was during JUNK TIME by the Bills Defense.. I am sure the Buffalo front 4 was just salivating at the possibility of sacking Johnny Fucking Football and getting that distinction in the highlights, but the reality is that they were in prevent defense and were only rushing 4...
This is a very small and very incomplete sample from which to decide whether we hitch our wagon to a rookie, with the first playoff possibility in nearly 8 years on the line...
Hoyer is the right decision and must be given the green light against the Colts at home... Hoyer has proven he OWNS the Bengals, both at home and now at Paul Brown stadium. Hoyer has a great home field advantage and the next two games are home games.
Pettine will choose Hoyer.. I think Hoyer realizes that this is it, he is on a short leash and he won't make it to the half if he throws another pair of interceptions without any TD's.. It isn't acceptable to this coach.. But Hoyer deserves the chance to bounce back from this embarrassing loss as he has laid everything on the line for this team and this city and fans.
Don't get me wrong, I am stoked to see Manziel get out there, but I am even more stoked to see the Browns make the playoffs THIS YEAR!!!! Who would have thought it possible just 3 or 4 months ago....
Things are looking up in Cleveland.. I think we have a future star in Johnny Manziel and I am so excited to see him play.. But now is not the time.
BobPound!
Taking back my Page 1 opinion that Johnny should start..
That was my excited visceral reaction to a really exciting end to a REALLY FUCKING BORING and bad game, not just by Hoyer, but the majority of our team. Gordon was out of sync all game, West ran like the rookie he is, and was not helped(nor was Crowell) by a predictable and horrible play calling by our Offensive Coordinators.
Manziel gave us a taste of what CAN BE.. But this must be tempered by the fact that the 80 yard TD drive was during JUNK TIME by the Bills Defense.. I am sure the Buffalo front 4 was just salivating at the possibility of sacking Johnny Fucking Football and getting that distinction in the highlights, but the reality is that they were in prevent defense and were only rushing 4...
This is a very small and very incomplete sample from which to decide whether we hitch our wagon to a rookie, with the first playoff possibility in nearly 8 years on the line...
Hoyer is the right decision and must be given the green light against the Colts at home... Hoyer has proven he OWNS the Bengals, both at home and now at Paul Brown stadium. Hoyer has a great home field advantage and the next two games are home games.
Pettine will choose Hoyer.. I think Hoyer realizes that this is it, he is on a short leash and he won't make it to the half if he throws another pair of interceptions without any TD's.. It isn't acceptable to this coach.. But Hoyer deserves the chance to bounce back from this embarrassing loss as he has laid everything on the line for this team and this city and fans.
Don't get me wrong, I am stoked to see Manziel get out there, but I am even more stoked to see the Browns make the playoffs THIS YEAR!!!! Who would have thought it possible just 3 or 4 months ago....
Things are looking up in Cleveland.. I think we have a future star in Johnny Manziel and I am so excited to see him play.. But now is not the time.
BobPound!
i hear you, but hoyer has been given plenty of opportunity to excel and has failed to do so.....the fact is he has played poorly multiple weeks in a row.....there is no rational basis to think he's going to turn that around....yeah, in your dreams, he might, but in reality, no.....i'm not sure manziel will win the next 4 games, but i think he has a better chance than hoyer.....manziel knows how to win, he's won at every level so far.....so i say give him a chance to show what he can do.....his arm, based on those throws in the last game, is better than hoyer's, and we know he can run.....the question is whether he's got the maturity now to read defenses and make plays.....i say, let's find out...we gave hoyer all the chances in the world and he proved he couldn't cut it....and remember, as clint said, "deserves got nothing to do with it...."
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Pettine is a stand up, no nonsense coach, who said he had to look at the tape before he commented on QB. My point being if it's Johnny on Sunday, then we'll all know that he believes that Hoyer's play as of late is mostly all on Brian. However, if it's still Brian on Sunday, that will speak volumes of what Pettine thinks about things like Gordon's route running yesterday.
Either way, we made the playoffs already........... They just start for us on Sunday - Win the remaining 4, and we're in (probably).
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You have to start Manziel fro a number of reasons already listed in previous posts.
But you have to be prepared for him to be average at best. He is going to make a ton
of mistakes. He is a rookie and no rookie steps right in and looks like Brady. All the
other rookie QBs drafted this year are having average years at best. There are growing
pains coming. Johnny is no Marino or Luck who are exceptions to the rookie rule. Lets
have the growing pains this year and find out somewhat if this kid can play. As
evidenced Hoyer is a backup QB not a starter.
You have to start Manziel fro a number of reasons already listed in previous posts.
But you have to be prepared for him to be average at best. He is going to make a ton
of mistakes. He is a rookie and no rookie steps right in and looks like Brady. All the
other rookie QBs drafted this year are having average years at best. There are growing
pains coming. Johnny is no Marino or Luck who are exceptions to the rookie rule. Lets
have the growing pains this year and find out somewhat if this kid can play. As
evidenced Hoyer is a backup QB not a starter.
I would like to agree with everything, but it is still too soon to bring him in. Hoyer was a part of getting us in the position to still make the playoffs. He deserves a shot to make it happen still. And JF has had almost no practice experience with the 1's since day one in the summer. Not a good place to put a rookie to come in now with maybe 1 week of 1's practice against a high scoring team that will force him to be perfect every possession. This is BH's to either play better or realize he is 2nd team next year. Until that is proven for sure, then let him play it out.
PS-BH did not make the key fumble that gave the game away. Nor did he miss the FG early that would have added 3 points. Yes, he did not have the arm strength to hit JG long and the last interception was nothing but a prayer from a desperate QB. But I also saw Prince Manning get sacked and fumble yesterday, misss a wide open TD and get away with a throw that should have been intercepted, so shit happens.
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You have to start Manziel fro a number of reasons already listed in previous posts.
But you have to be prepared for him to be average at best. He is going to make a ton
of mistakes. He is a rookie and no rookie steps right in and looks like Brady. All the
other rookie QBs drafted this year are having average years at best. There are growing
pains coming. Johnny is no Marino or Luck who are exceptions to the rookie rule. Lets
have the growing pains this year and find out somewhat if this kid can play. As
evidenced Hoyer is a backup QB not a starter.
I would like to agree with everything, but it is still too soon to bring him in. Hoyer was a part of getting us in the position to still make the playoffs. He deserves a shot to make it happen still. And JF has had almost no practice experience with the 1's since day one in the summer. Not a good place to put a rookie to come in now with maybe 1 week of 1's practice against a high scoring team that will force him to be perfect every possession. This is BH's to either play better or realize he is 2nd team next year. Until that is proven for sure, then let him play it out.
PS-BH did not make the key fumble that gave the game away. Nor did he miss the FG early that would have added 3 points. Yes, he did not have the arm strength to hit JG long and the last interception was nothing but a prayer from a desperate QB. But I also saw Prince Manning get sacked and fumble yesterday, misss a wide open TD and get away with a throw that should have been intercepted, so shit happens.
I would like to agree with everything, but it is still too soon to bring him in. Hoyer was a part of getting us in the position to still make the playoffs. He deserves a shot to make it happen still. And JF has had almost no practice experience with the 1's since day one in the summer. Not a good place to put a rookie to come in now with maybe 1 week of 1's practice against a high scoring team that will force him to be perfect every possession. This is BH's to either play better or realize he is 2nd team next year. Until that is proven for sure, then let him play it out.
PS-BH did not make the key fumble that gave the game away. Nor did he miss the FG early that would have added 3 points. Yes, he did not have the arm strength to hit JG long and the last interception was nothing but a prayer from a desperate QB. But I also saw Prince Manning get sacked and fumble yesterday, misss a wide open TD and get away with a throw that should have been intercepted, so shit happens.
I can't believe you wouldn't be excited if johnny trots out there next week
You make valid points though, but if reports are true that Hoyers been losing the staffs confidence more and more each week I'm pretty much expecting the johnny announcement - not that I'm saying it's necessarily the right call (but we'll find out Sunday).
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Did I say I would not be excited? I'm just trying to be objective about this.
LOL!
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Johnny Manziel leading the Browns back to the playoffs would be so fucking badass
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Johnny Manziel leading the Browns back to the playoffs would be so fucking badass
Johnny Manziel leading the Browns back to the playoffs would be so fucking badass
The Browns back in the playoffs for the first time since I was a kid would be badass, period.
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Just please stop the stupid money sign.
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You have to start Manziel fro a number of reasons already listed in previous posts.
But you have to be prepared for him to be average at best. He is going to make a ton
of mistakes. He is a rookie and no rookie steps right in and looks like Brady. All the
other rookie QBs drafted this year are having average years at best. There are growing
pains coming. Johnny is no Marino or Luck who are exceptions to the rookie rule. Lets
have the growing pains this year and find out somewhat if this kid can play. As
evidenced Hoyer is a backup QB not a starter.
I would like to agree with everything, but it is still too soon to bring him in. Hoyer was a part of getting us in the position to still make the playoffs. He deserves a shot to make it happen still. And JF has had almost no practice experience with the 1's since day one in the summer. Not a good place to put a rookie to come in now with maybe 1 week of 1's practice against a high scoring team that will force him to be perfect every possession. This is BH's to either play better or realize he is 2nd team next year. Until that is proven for sure, then let him play it out.
PS-BH did not make the key fumble that gave the game away. Nor did he miss the FG early that would have added 3 points. Yes, he did not have the arm strength to hit JG long and the last interception was nothing but a prayer from a desperate QB. But I also saw Prince Manning get sacked and fumble yesterday, misss a wide open TD and get away with a throw that should have been intercepted, so shit happens.
Elephant in the room... lmao..
I would like to agree with everything, but it is still too soon to bring him in. Hoyer was a part of getting us in the position to still make the playoffs. He deserves a shot to make it happen still. And JF has had almost no practice experience with the 1's since day one in the summer. Not a good place to put a rookie to come in now with maybe 1 week of 1's practice against a high scoring team that will force him to be perfect every possession. This is BH's to either play better or realize he is 2nd team next year. Until that is proven for sure, then let him play it out.
PS-BH did not make the key fumble that gave the game away. Nor did he miss the FG early that would have added 3 points. Yes, he did not have the arm strength to hit JG long and the last interception was nothing but a prayer from a desperate QB.
Nicely put... and very objective.
I'd only pick at the "prayer" comment as it was a throw the D suckered him into... a bad read.
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Great- I'll own it- I'm just a dumbass. Like I just posted, Joe Thomas is apparently behind Johnny too. Has nothing to do if Manziel is a good football player or not. If you condone his off field antics, fine- I don't have to. It's a f**king free country. Ray Lewis is going to be in the HOF- that doesn't mean I have to like him. Michael Vick will have a better career than Brian Hoyer- that doesn't mean I have to like him either. Josh Gordon is an immensely talented football player who happens to play for the Browns and isn't too smart about who he hangs out with, or what chemicals he chooses to ingest. He also set a couple of NFL records, haven't seen JFF do that yet. So tolerance for off field indiscretions is directly proportional to on field performance. I haven't forgotten Ravens fans showing up at games wearing Ray Rice jerseys this year. You bozos are apparently having comprehension problems with the difference between respect as a football player, and respect as a person. They're not mutually inclusive FYI.
Just wait though- the fickle fans of Cleveland will be more than happy to ride Manziel out of town on a rail should he play poorly- as fast as the Manzealots did to Hoyer. So if Johnny follows the career path of Joe Namath or Ken Stabler- it's going to be all well and good in Cleveland. Anything short of that- he's never going to win over a section of the fanbase. Take it to the bank.
I know a secret.. well not really a secret..
But on both boards Ive done a bit of research. I found something.
There is 1 consistent thing that seems to irk fans that hate Johnny more than anything. Something Johnny cannot control.
I have a STRONG belief.. that a Majority of people hate Manziel not because of his off field antics..
Not because of his scrambling ability (because those same people are on Mariotas nutsack)..
Not because of the money sign...
Not because of the rambunctious style in which he plays..
But it is SURPRISINGLY due to one small thing..
His size.
Most of the Johnny haters cannot STAND the fact that his is 5'11 and 2 quarters. They dont think it should be possible. They want a big burly man... because surely that the only type of QB that can lead us to the promised land.
Dont believe me? Do a little research yourself.. there is nothing that irks Johnny haters more than his height
Why? I dont know why it irks them.. when we bring up Wilson and Brees they act like our points were/are never posted.. or they treat them as paradoxes.. unable to be replicated.
Ive even gotten a few of them to admit it...
some of them have even said "If Johnny were 4 inches taller I could see it"
Its really interesting.. its like some sort of reverse over-compensation.
I know a secret.. well not really a secret..
But on both boards Ive done a bit of research. I found something.
There is 1 consistent thing that seems to irk fans that hate Johnny more than anything. Something Johnny cannot control.
I have a STRONG belief.. that a Majority of people hate Manziel not because of his off field antics..
Not because of his scrambling ability (because those same people are on Mariotas nutsack)..
Not because of the money sign...
Not because of the rambunctious style in which he plays..
But it is SURPRISINGLY due to one small thing..
His size.
Most of the Johnny haters cannot STAND the fact that his is 5'11 and 2 quarters. They dont think it should be possible. They want a big burly man... because surely that the only type of QB that can lead us to the promised land.
Dont believe me? Do a little research yourself.. there is nothing that irks Johnny haters more than his height
Why? I dont know why it irks them.. when we bring up Wilson and Brees they act like our points were/are never posted.. or they treat them as paradoxes.. unable to be replicated.
Ive even gotten a few of them to admit it...
some of them have even said "If Johnny were 4 inches taller I could see it"
Its really interesting.. its like some sort of reverse over-compensation.
Not really PGL, though his height was a certainly a factor in why he fell to #22. The other factors were he didn't play in a pro style offense, and he's way more reckless than Wilson when he takes off running. Personally, I was against the Media Circus that was certain to follow JFF. Hmmmm- it's ramping up again at Warp Speed now that there's a fair chance he's going to start against the Colts. And I think you've probably caught my drift a majority of guys on the high side of 50 weren't too enamored of his off field antics either. When I did my research on a guy comparable to Manziel- and totally bombed in the pros I was pretty shocked Dave Kingler fills the bill nicely. Guy ran a spread offense, and put up huge numbers in college- to the tune of passing for 11 TDs in ONE game.
I said it before- I have no axe to grind against Johnny the football player- at least now that he's playing for the Browns. Win the next 4 JFF.
wrong. most people that don't like manziel, don't like him for what he brings to the table besides his athletic skills. it's the media circus, the flinging his nose at authority and the feeble minded idiots he has in legions of fans.
Yup.
There isn't a true Browns fan here that doesn't want Manziel to succeed if he's the starter no matter what they think of him personally. Just like there isn't a true Browns fan who wanted Hoyer to play shitty so that Manziel could play. I don't give a damn who plays QB...I just want to see the team win games. So far this year, Hoyer has done that. It hasn't always been pretty but he's winning. The last two weeks were pretty dismal and although the playoffs are not out of reach yet, it might be time to make the switch. If Hoyer starts Sunday, that leash is going to be pretty damn short because the game is at home and the fans will turn on Hoyer quickly after getting a small taste of Manziel.
I'm betting it's Manziel this week. It's a good match up for him since Indy's defense isn't all that great and we should be able to run the ball on them.
Well said Mark. The Browns aren't going to beat the Colts kicking field goals.Their offense is #1 in the league in a lot of categories.
Did I say I would not be excited? I'm just trying to be objective about this.
LOL!
Surprised- and I'll be even more surprised if Johnny doesn't start Sunday. The Browns almost have to win out- and win the division to make the playoffs. Their Conference record is going to kill them in any tiebreaker situation.
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Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot 29m29 minutes ago
Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot#browns qb Brian Hoyer said today his confidence in himself hasn't wavered despite uncertain stay. Reminds all he's 10-5 w/ browns.#browns qb Brian Hoyer said today his confidence in himself hasn't wavered despite uncertain stay. Reminds all he's 10-5 w/ browns.
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot 28m28 minutes agoMary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot#browns QB Hoyer said he hasn't been informed yet of Pettine's decision. He said 7-5 "hard-earned" and not by accident.#browns QB Hoyer said he hasn't been informed yet of Pettine's decision. He said 7-5 "hard-earned" and not by accident.
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