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  • Let's a take a deep breathe and recognize that JM made a couple boners. Hoyer falls on that fumbled snap. That comes with experience. Did anyone notice the desperation shovel pass to West as he was getting tackled? That also can turn out super bad. Those are plays he can't make if he's gonna be a starter in the NFL. Hard to be mad though cause you know it's just coming from his desire to win and we were down 20 or so at that point so who cares. We'll see if he makes plays like that when we're up, in which case he'll incur our wrath pretty quick.

    @clevfan4life said:

    Did anyone notice the desperation shovel pass to West as he was getting tackled?

    OH BULL FUCKING PUSSY,

    I see Big Ben make plays like that all the time, he was extending the play for positive yardage.

  • Hoorta, If you're hoping for Manziel mistakes you're going to be happy.

    He's going to make them.

    This franchised invested snaps and PT in Hoyer, who has regressed; Manziel has some growing pains to go through.

    What we have is an opportunity to give Manziel experience with the outside chance at opening the golden ticket.

    and in case you've forgotten, mix this in

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    @bacon said:

    Hoorta, If you're hoping for Manziel mistakes you're going to be happy.

    He's going to make them.

    This franchised invested snaps and PT in Hoyer, who has regressed; Manziel has some growing pains to go through.

    What we have is an opportunity to give Manziel experience with the outside chance at opening the golden ticket.

    and in case you've forgotten, mix this in

    Well, that .gif makes it official- you came to join the Johnny love train, & that's OK. Must have been lurking for a long while though.

    LOL, that toss into the dirt wasn't 1\2 as bad as the immortal Wee-Done underhanded flip for an interception.

    I was hoping for the best with Hoyer. If you've been following my train of thought, I've grown more and more skeptical over the last month + about his increasingly erratic play. I'm not a Hoyer homer, or a JFF Fan Boy. I want the Browns to win- preferably now. I've said in the past I'm starting to run out of "wait till next year" fast. Yes, as I said- I didn't like the Manziel pick- at all, as I was against the RG III media circus part 2 that was sure to follow. Got that one right. . Ceiling may be Fran Tarkenton, but the floor is Dave Kingler. It was a bonus pick Farmer felt he could roll the dice on.

    Of course, JFF is going to have growing pains. He also had the benefit of sitting for 3\4 of the season to get acclimated to the pro game.

    I truly think when Pettine put Manziel in- he had seen enough bad play out of Hoyer to make the switch- and as I've said elsewhere today- I believe the switch is permanent- barring injury.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Did anyone notice the desperation shovel pass to West as he was getting tackled?

    OH BULL FUCKING PUSSY,

    I see Big Ben make plays like that all the time, he was extending the play for positive yardage.

    @walterwhite said:

    OH BULL FUCKING PUSSY,

    I see Big Ben make plays like that all the time, he was extending the play for positive yardage.

    Slow down man. Even Johnny Football can be subject to criticism 😛

    Personally, I just want the browns to win football games and I support whoever is behind center. Personally, I think Manziel deserves the start next Sunday though (lets be real if he gets the start next Sunday he'll probably start the rest of the way unless he gets hurt) - but if Pettine announces Hoyer stays I'm going to support the choice as well.

  • Hoorta said " What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot."

    College Johnny? I thought the NFL was supposed to chew him up and spit him out. I guess a playmaker in college can still be a playmaker in the pros after all.

    Yes I saw the fumble, that happened after the ball was snapped when he wasn't expecting it. That won't happen if he's working with starting center all week.

    He showed some things today. He has the arm strength and accuracy. He can run for big plays. It wasn't perfect, no, but some were probably shocked at how fast he wemt 80 yards for the only td of the game.

  • Hoorta said " What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot."

    College Johnny? I thought the NFL was supposed to chew him up and spit him out. I guess a playmaker in college can still be a playmaker in the pros after all.

    Yes I saw the fumble, that happened after the ball was snapped when he wasn't expecting it. That won't happen if he's working with starting center all week.

    He showed some things today. He has the arm strength and accuracy. He can run for big plays. It wasn't perfect, no, but some were probably shocked at how fast he wemt 80 yards for the only td of the game.

    @aggie-brown-fan said:

    Hoorta said " What I saw today is what we saw of college Johnny. I'm not getting too excited over one drive though. Nice non-fumble on the second one, in case you forgot."

    College Johnny? I thought the NFL was supposed to chew him up and spit him out. I guess a playmaker in college can still be a playmaker in the pros after all.

    Yes I saw the fumble, that happened after the ball was snapped when he wasn't expecting it. That won't happen if he's working with starting center all week.

    He showed some things today. He has the arm strength and accuracy. He can run for big plays. It wasn't perfect, no, but some were probably shocked at how fast he wemt 80 yards for the only td of the game.

    Don't put words in my mouth guy. Manziel had a nice series, did I say something else? Nah, nah nah. praise the good, ignore the bad. Homer. Threw into triple coverage, and got Austin sent to the hospital because of it. Pettine 80 against soft defense. "I need to look at the tape".

    Hope you noticed Bills fans mocking the money sign too. Scoreboard beats money sign.

  • I guess youre not a Chad Johnson/Ochocinco fan huh Hoorta?

    Even though he was a Bengal I LOVED some Ochocinco man. That was entertainment. I loved the celebrations, the press conferences. It was awesome.

    Same with Johnny. I di the money signs and the attitude no matter the situation. It can be used to fan the flames to use as fuel for better play.

  • I guess youre not a Chad Johnson/Ochocinco fan huh Hoorta?

    Even though he was a Bengal I LOVED some Ochocinco man. That was entertainment. I loved the celebrations, the press conferences. It was awesome.

    Same with Johnny. I di the money signs and the attitude no matter the situation. It can be used to fan the flames to use as fuel for better play.

    @playgroundlegend said:

    Same with Johnny. I di the money signs and the attitude no matter the situation. It can be used to fan the flames to use as fuel for better play.

    all egotistical people use whatever it is to extend their brand. albeit a sign or gesture.

  • ...that Brian Hoyer is not the answer.

    The Browns front office has been proven once again that they have the smarts by not signing Hoyer to a long-term deal without first seeing him perform over an extended period of time.

    I was a big Hoyer supporter. Not anymore.

    The era of Johnny Fucking Football has begun.

    GO BROWNS!!!

    @suomi said:

    The Browns front office has been proven once again that they have the smarts by not signing Hoyer to a long-term deal without first seeing him perform over an extended period of time.

    Well, for what it's worth, I believe the Browns did offer him a deal earlier this year...that he rejected.

    @tour2ma said:

    Against a softened D, but whatever, the spark was there.

    Was I the only one that flashed back to JM's pre-season drive that ended in a running TD???

    Rams game I think...

    Nope, I noticed, and was impressed by his arm strength and accuracy that I saw in pre-season.

    @mark-o said:

    I think it should've been intercepted as well but it's also possible that he has enough arm strength to throw it past the coverage. I don't know anything for sure but it certainly looked like he had more zip on the ball than Hoyer.

    Yeah that throw to Dray? seemed too close for comfort, but those plays are also what are needed at times with a QB that can put the zip on it to get it there.

  • ManzielSucks said:

    They did chew him up and spit him out... Did you see the fumble when the Bills defensive starters were put back in?

    The only thing he showed was how quickly one drive can blind a gulible fool.

    Yes. Your insightful and intelligent comments have changed my mind, manziel does suck. You are correct. Together we can form a coalition to cheer against the Browns for as long as manziel is the starting QB. Because we keep it so real as Browns fans. After every loss we can tag team fuck your johnny football real doll in celebration.

  • ManzielSucks said:

    They did chew him up and spit him out... Did you see the fumble when the Bills defensive starters were put back in?

    The only thing he showed was how quickly one drive can blind a gulible fool.

    Yes. Your insightful and intelligent comments have changed my mind, manziel does suck. You are correct. Together we can form a coalition to cheer against the Browns for as long as manziel is the starting QB. Because we keep it so real as Browns fans. After every loss we can tag team fuck your johnny football real doll in celebration.

    @pumpkin-eater said:

    Yes. Your insightful and intelligent comments have changed my mind, manziel does suck. You are correct. Together we can form a coalition to cheer against the Browns for as long as manziel is the starting QB. Because we keep it so real as Browns fans. After every loss we can tag team fuck your johnny football real doll in celebration.

    lol!

  • @suomi said:

    The Browns front office has been proven once again that they have the smarts by not signing Hoyer to a long-term deal without first seeing him perform over an extended period of time.

    Well, for what it's worth, I believe the Browns did offer him a deal earlier this year...that he rejected.

    @tour2ma said:

    Against a softened D, but whatever, the spark was there.

    Was I the only one that flashed back to JM's pre-season drive that ended in a running TD???

    Rams game I think...

    Nope, I noticed, and was impressed by his arm strength and accuracy that I saw in pre-season.

    @mark-o said:

    I think it should've been intercepted as well but it's also possible that he has enough arm strength to throw it past the coverage. I don't know anything for sure but it certainly looked like he had more zip on the ball than Hoyer.

    Yeah that throw to Dray? seemed too close for comfort, but those plays are also what are needed at times with a QB that can put the zip on it to get it there.

    @tml1138 said:

    Nope, I noticed, and was impressed by his arm strength and accuracy that I saw in pre-season.

    Yeah that throw to Dray? seemed too close for comfort, but those plays are also what are needed at times with a QB that can put the zip on it to get it there.

    The characteristics displayed were no surprise. The whole drive sequence just seemed "familiar" to me. Roll one way, then the other, then over the middle, then etc...

    The Dray attempt was a typical, strong-arm rookie throw. Very early Favre-ish... with not quite a Favre-ish arm...