Jonathan Paul Manziel
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ManzielSucks said:
Like he said he won't change for anyone... Not even to make himself a better QB.
Now you are making yourself appear totally ignorant. He has changed every year I have seen him play. He wants to be a better QB a lot more than you appear to want him to be a better quarterback. Get off you high horse and start supporting this team (and last I looked JF is a part of that team).
Get off you high horse and start supporting this team (and last I looked JF is a part of that team).
Oh god, the irony...
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If Manziel plays on Sunday, I fully expect a messy, sloppy performance. There will be moments of brilliance, but overall it will be laden with mistakes.
That's the problem with putting the rookie in for his first start with four games left and a last-ditch effort to make the playoffs. You can't honestly expect him to be gangbusters right out of the gate... And he's in a position where he's gonna need to be if the Browns want to keep their post-season hopes alive. I think if he truly was going to offer more than Hoyer at this point, that he would have had a chance by now to do so.
I can't deny that I was excited to see him come in yesterday. And I'll support whoever Pettine and company decide to go with. But I don't think this as as cut-and-dry of a situation as many are making it out to be. Hoyer is again that safer choice he's been all season long and Manziel is that boom/bust option that could really pay off, or kill all hope.
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If Manziel plays on Sunday, I fully expect a messy, sloppy performance. There will be moments of brilliance, but overall it will be laden with mistakes.
That's the problem with putting the rookie in for his first start with four games left and a last-ditch effort to make the playoffs. You can't honestly expect him to be gangbusters right out of the gate... And he's in a position where he's gonna need to be if the Browns want to keep their post-season hopes alive. I think if he truly was going to offer more than Hoyer at this point, that he would have had a chance by now to do so.
I can't deny that I was excited to see him come in yesterday. And I'll support whoever Pettine and company decide to go with. But I don't think this as as cut-and-dry of a situation as many are making it out to be. Hoyer is again that safer choice he's been all season long and Manziel is that boom/bust option that could really pay off, or kill all hope.
If Manziel plays on Sunday, I fully expect a messy, sloppy performance. There will be moments of brilliance, but overall it will be laden with mistakes.
That's the problem with putting the rookie in for his first start with four games left and a last-ditch effort to make the playoffs. You can't honestly expect him to be gangbusters right out of the gate... And he's in a position where he's gonna need to be if the Browns want to keep their post-season hopes alive. I think if he truly was going to offer more than Hoyer at this point, that he would have had a chance by now to do so.
I can't deny that I was excited to see him come in yesterday. And I'll support whoever Pettine and company decide to go with. But I don't think this as as cut-and-dry of a situation as many are making it out to be. Hoyer is again that safer choice he's been all season long and Manziel is that boom/bust option that could really pay off, or kill all hope.
It definitely isn't cut and dry. We have 4 critically important games to keep playing beyond December - Manziel is a risk to the season, but again what are your chances with a guy who has been playing well below average the past few weeks?
I'm suspecting Hoyer gets the call come Wednesday and people rage, but I think starting Sunday for Hoyer means he gets the half...Despite his early season 2nd half brilliance he probably won't be getting a chance to demonstrate that again if we fall behind and struggle to move the ball.
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Hey there folks, I'm Billy Cool. I'm new here, but a legit Browns fan, and attend most home games. I also write/record stupid songs. Today, I took the opportunity to put together a little Christmas parody about our man Johnny Football. Hopefully, you'll get a chuckle out of it.
https://soundcloud.com/billy-cool/i-saw-johnny-playing-quarterback
Lyrics:
I saw Johnny playing quarterback
After Hoyer threw another pick
Well, he marched right down the field
Hoyer's fate is sealed
And the Cleveland fans are pumped up;
because Johnny's at the wheel!
I saw Johnny playing Quarterback
Pettine made the call and it feels so right
The Brownies are on track
The glory days are comin' on back
No more 2nd string QBs whose passing skills laaaaack!
I saw Johnny playing Quarterback
Oh what fun it'll be to watch him win
Oh those days are done
Watching Cleveland's favorite son
Now Johnny's gonna have the dawg pound;
Rockin' at the Stadium
I see Johnny in the Super Bowl
Shining like a star under the lights
As he runs for the winning play
Everybody will move out of the way
And Johnny is the Hero of the game!
The real Mr. Hero of the game!
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If Manziel plays on Sunday, I fully expect a messy, sloppy performance. There will be moments of brilliance, but overall it will be laden with mistakes.
That's the problem with putting the rookie in for his first start with four games left and a last-ditch effort to make the playoffs. You can't honestly expect him to be gangbusters right out of the gate... And he's in a position where he's gonna need to be if the Browns want to keep their post-season hopes alive. I think if he truly was going to offer more than Hoyer at this point, that he would have had a chance by now to do so.
I can't deny that I was excited to see him come in yesterday. And I'll support whoever Pettine and company decide to go with. But I don't think this as as cut-and-dry of a situation as many are making it out to be. Hoyer is again that safer choice he's been all season long and Manziel is that boom/bust option that could really pay off, or kill all hope.
It definitely isn't cut and dry. We have 4 critically important games to keep playing beyond December - Manziel is a risk to the season, but again what are your chances with a guy who has been playing well below average the past few weeks?
I'm suspecting Hoyer gets the call come Wednesday and people rage, but I think starting Sunday for Hoyer means he gets the half...Despite his early season 2nd half brilliance he probably won't be getting a chance to demonstrate that again if we fall behind and struggle to move the ball.
It definitely isn't cut and dry. We have 4 critically important games to keep playing beyond December - Manziel is a risk to the season, but again what are your chances with a guy who has been playing well below average the past few weeks?
I'm suspecting Hoyer gets the call come Wednesday and people rage, but I think starting Sunday for Hoyer means he gets the half...Despite his early season 2nd half brilliance he probably won't be getting a chance to demonstrate that again if we fall behind and struggle to move the ball.
Id have no issues with hoyer having the first half to prove himself. Sink or swim buddy. Your last shot. Earn it.
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Faded said:
"Once-in-decade-talent" as a description for Manziel in college is easy to defend...
Too bad he no longer plays in college. Before you anoint him the greatest ever, maybe we better see how he plays in the NFL for say, oh I don't know, at least a quarter.
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This Front Office has not shied away from making tough decisions so I do expect that JM will get the nod. Do you really think Hoyer can beat the colts? I don't. Manziel might not either but with his energy and spark, who knows for sure? It's a gamble but at least we get to see what we have in our rookie QB for next season. As I've said in earlier treads, I don't expect to see Hoyer playing for the Browns next year.
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I made it about 10 seconds....the rest of you?
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19 sec
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But welcome to the board
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What kind of fucking goober takes the time to make shit like this?
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Here's the thing, we need points to beat the colts. Lots of points. Our defense has been playing better, and they pass the ball a lot, so that helps rather than a heavy run team. But even so I expect at least 24 points from the colts. I honestly cant see hoyer putting up enough to win. There have been several games this year I thought "OK this is hoyers chance, time for him to light it up." Yet it hasn't happened. As much as I hate to say it I think we have to go with JF. Personally I don't think johnny will be a very good NFL qb, but let's put him in and hopefully he proves me wrong. This is my opinion, either way I have full faith in pettine and feel he will make the right choice.
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What kind of fucking goober takes the time to make shit like this?
What kind of fucking goober takes the time to make shit like this?
Damn, I figured you would love this shit.
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Fuck you loser
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That was awesome
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Faded said:
It may or may not translate to the NFL (it certainly can't to the same degree),but in college nobody could do the things this kid did. Kevin Sumlin (who I actually think is a good coach), should send him a turkey at Thanksgiving for the next 10 years. Mike Evans was great, but he's not why Manziel could do what he did. The offensive line was good, but seemed great because of Manziel. Go watch the highlights. LSU knew how to stop him (Miles is also a pretty good coach with a solid, solid defense), but no one else really did. "Once-in-decade-talent" as a description for Manziel in college is easy to defend...
Sorry- Manziel might well have been a once in a decade College talent- but if he was a once in a decade Pro potential quarterback, he wouldn't have gotten past the Texans at #1 overall, and qb needy teams would have been ringing their phone off the hook making RG III type offers to move up to get him. And history says so. Holmgren reportedly offered the Colts his entire draft for a shot at Andrew Luck, and we all know (and you should too) about the bidding war that went on to move up to #2 to take Griffin. JFF slid to the Browns at #22 because unlike Luck- who checked off ALL the boxes on the scouts scorecards, Manziel didn't. So take off the homer glasses.
JFF may well have been the #1 overall if he was 3" taller, and didn't have the red flag party boy image. LOL, the Manzealots may not care about the latter, but you can be damn sure GMs and owners sure as hell take that into consideration were they draft someone.
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Here's the thing, we need points to beat the colts. Lots of points. Our defense has been playing better, and they pass the ball a lot, so that helps rather than a heavy run team. But even so I expect at least 24 points from the colts. I honestly cant see hoyer putting up enough to win. There have been several games this year I thought "OK this is hoyers chance, time for him to light it up." Yet it hasn't happened. As much as I hate to say it I think we have to go with JF. Personally I don't think johnny will be a very good NFL qb, but let's put him in and hopefully he proves me wrong. This is my opinion, either way I have full faith in pettine and feel he will make the right choice.
I got the impression today it's gonna be Hoyer, Pettine emphasizing how nobody around Hoyer played good.Here's the thing, we need points to beat the colts. Lots of points. Our defense has been playing better, and they pass the ball a lot, so that helps rather than a heavy run team. But even so I expect at least 24 points from the colts. I honestly cant see hoyer putting up enough to win. There have been several games this year I thought "OK this is hoyers chance, time for him to light it up." Yet it hasn't happened. As much as I hate to say it I think we have to go with JF. Personally I don't think johnny will be a very good NFL qb, but let's put him in and hopefully he proves me wrong. This is my opinion, either way I have full faith in pettine and feel he will make the right choice.
If JM I hope he comes in and lights up a fairly lackluster colts D though. I'd hope the same for Hoyer. This game has become a must win for us.
We already got the once-in-a-decade talent this decade, we're playing him Sunday and he was drafted #1 overall. Manziel has many solid aspects about his game, many others that aren't. I wish he succeeds for many years and wins us many games, but I still fear him turning into a 280lb DE, but we'll have to see if his savvvy awareness of the field works long term in the NFL.
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This wasn't really funny, or christmasy. It also wasn't something I'd put on my headphones or in my car. Not sure what you're going for, but I made it through about 35 seconds.
Not trying to offend you, it honestly wasn't entertaining or funny or Christmas
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Manziel doesnt run like other QB's run.. He doesnt run like Griffin or Newton.. as they are both pretty much see a lane.. run through as fast as you can. Wilson is a backdoor type runner who will steal the green if you give it to him, and may change direction here or there.
He runs more like Vick.. not AS fast.. but MORE agile.
Johnny Manziel is almost the EXACT same height and weight as LeSean Mccoy.. and they both have great quicks and insane lateral movement.
He is in a class by himself when running. Because unlike when other QB's run.. unless he is in a full sprint straight away... defenders cant get a clean shot on him because Johnny sets them up. He's too shifty and makes defenders hesitate before they bite. He runs like... ballet
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