Hoyers should be removed as starter
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If that's the case then why did he pull him against Buffalo?
Because we weren't in the game let alone the lead at the time... thus the "59/60" in slimdawg's post.
As in leading for 59 of the 60 minutes...
Pettine will be fine.
The Locker room will be fine.
Give it a rest.
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Seconded.
Back on topic.
Pettine's doing OK but we dropped from first to last in 2 weeks? Games we could've and should've won. I'm still wondering about Jacksonville. WTF happened there (that had to be the turning point for Hoyer) and against the Texans? We looked ike total shit. 2 roughing penalties against Watt and what did we do with them? Hoyer has never been right since the 2013 Buffalo game. 10 - 6 as a starter but 7 - 6 since his return. Stats don't lie.
Pettine is soft?
Soft coaches deactivate fan favorite, rookie running backs?
Soft coaches green light the release of their only veteran RB?
Back on topic.
Pettine's doing OK but we dropped from first to last in 2 weeks? Games we could've and should've won. I'm still wondering about Jacksonville. WTF happened there (that had to be the turning point for Hoyer) and against the Texans? We looked ike total shit. 2 roughing penalties against Watt and what did we do with them? Hoyer has never been right since the 2013 Buffalo game. 10 - 6 as a starter but 7 - 6 since his return. Stats don't lie.
JAX was our first full game looking for a replacement for Mack. In it we shifted Greco to center and started McQuistan at RG. It was a disaster.
In the four games before Mack was hurt we ran for over 100 yards in three (191, 122, 176).
In the Steelers game when Mack was hurt we ran for 158.
In the six games since we ran for over 100 three times, including today (170, 162, 111).
In the seven games with over 100 yards we are 5-2... the two losses were the PTG opener and the Colts game.
Our two wins with rushing totals under 100 yards were against Oakland (39) and Tampa Bay (56).
Not quite as simple as the above, but the above goes a fair way to explaining things. Growing into a new D explain some more. And Hoyer's issues explain most of the rest.
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I need to go to hospital, I think I may have a concussion from my head hitting the desk so hard just after opening this forum.
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Mike Pettine payed the price for keeping Hoyer in the game and it blew up in his face.
How anyone in that locker room can want Hoyer to start is beyond me.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/see_what_browns_qb_brian_hoyer.html
This should be played by any psychotherapist in explaining the concept of denial.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/see_what_browns_qb_brian_hoyer.html
This should be played by any psychotherapist in explaining the concept of denial.
We just blew? You blew it Hoyer, YOU BLEW IT!
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His comments on the Gabriel overthrow are hilarious, he was acting like he threw it TOO WELL
"man I really got hold of that one"
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Mike Pettine is the type of guy to pump the brakes after he's already driven off the cliff.
I can't wait for Haslam to intervene.
Mike Pettine is the type of guy to pump the brakes after he's already driven off the cliff.
I can't wait for Haslam to intervene.
Your dumber than a rock... Just go away!
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This b!tch of a coach is scared to hurt people's feelings. We've seen it all training camp not naming a starter, scared to put his foot down, scared to upset his players by putting the best man in. We need a real man at the helm, Pettine is just a big soft b!tch.
He should have named Manziel the starter earlier this week and I guarantee we would have won by 2 TDs. This is on Pettine the stupid motherfvcker scared to hurt his players feelings.
This b!tch of a coach is scared to hurt people's feelings. We've seen it all training camp not naming a starter, scared to put his foot down, scared to upset his players by putting the best man in. We need a real man at the helm, Pettine is just a big soft b!tch.
He should have named Manziel the starter earlier this week and I guarantee we would have won by 2 TDs. This is on Pettine the stupid motherfvcker scared to hurt his players feelings.
The angered post of a seriously dumb mother fucker.. You and Walter need to get a room together!
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I've been a Hoyer supporter, but this game made it obvious that he has regressed to the level of Weeden, Frye, and all the others who passed through here. I'll be disgusted if he plays another snap for this team...let alone starts another game. Hopefully the Manziel lovers will be right. If not....here we go again. I think the reason that Pettine would not go to Manziel yesterday was because of him getting to the game late, and attitude. Personally. I would have hoped he would have made the change at halftime. I don't care that JF parties when he shouldn't. Why not?....he's not going to get in the game....so he doesn't really need to be ready or anything. It's sickening, the way the defense and special teams played, and then lose the game because the qb can't play at an average level. Pettine either needs to put Manziel in for Cincy or find someone else. Hoyer sucks. He has shown that he is as advertised.....back up only.....definitely proved me wrong.
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Devil's advocate. What if he god forbid tears an acl in a meaningless game. Then what? Resign Hoyer? No way he stays. Is it just me or can Cameron not catch a ball and run, guy just falls down after every catch.
Football is dangerous and that's a risk, but he needs some experience now that we are officially "just playing out the season". We will at least have an idea of what we have in Johnny, because right now, all we have is his fanboys telling us how great he will be.
And the Homer naysayers who hate the guy no matter what. Like it or not he's the most talked about quarterback from his draft or any draft in a long time. Like it or not there were plenty of professionals who think he has the tools to be big time as well as those who don't think he'll succeed.Football is dangerous and that's a risk, but he needs some experience now that we are officially "just playing out the season". We will at least have an idea of what we have in Johnny, because right now, all we have is his fanboys telling us how great he will be.
And maybe he will fall on his ass but if so it won't be because you guys are so angry that some of his fans weren't born and raised in Cleveland. Get over it.
WSS
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So after all that bitching and moaning I've read in the last 78 posts you would think there is a quarterback controversy in Cleveland. What's everyone going to say when Hoyer starts next week and the rest of the season? Thoughts?
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Soju and WW seriously wear their hearts on their sleeves, and are making stupid rants after a tough loss. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they will come back down from orbit in the next day or so. Too generous? Maybe lol...
The Tex boys are just digging themselves deeper with this "I'm a Browns fan as long as JFF is here". Please...just leave. True Browns fans don't want you here. That being said, if JM is the starter next week...go Johnny!
The offense as an entirety hardly did shit yesterday. Hoyer may not be the same QB we saw last year or earlier this year, but things really fell apart ever since Mack went down. We can't forget that. Again we'll know more on this when Tour's O-line grades for this week come out. And if JM is starter, maybe he can make lemonade out of those lemons. We'll hope and see.
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All the more reason to go with the guy who can improvise. I'm tired of hearing how the receivers weren't where he expected then to be so he threw it to a defender instead. If they're not where they're supposed to be, you improvise, brian. You improvise.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
All the more reason to go with the guy who can improvise. I'm tired of hearing how the receivers weren't where he expected then to be so he threw it to a defender instead. If they're not where they're supposed to be, you improvise, brian. You improvise.
All the more reason to go with the guy who can improvise. I'm tired of hearing how the receivers weren't where he expected then to be so he threw it to a defender instead. If they're not where they're supposed to be, you improvise, brian. You improvise.
I think John Gruden said something like 70% of NFL plays go as planned, 30% break down which is where the Manziel improv could be good.
Of course, 70% of our plays Sunday didn't go as planned. Well maybe they did, but Hoya missed many guys.
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All the more reason to go with the guy who can improvise. I'm tired of hearing how the receivers weren't where he expected then to be so he threw it to a defender instead. If they're not where they're supposed to be, you improvise, brian. You improvise.
Lol. Good one. I agree. At this point try Johnny and see what happens. It may look like a desperation move, but let's not try to hide the fact that we are just that for making the playoffs. Joe might say starting him means we are looking towards next year already...but that was last week's statement. Things are already different now.All the more reason to go with the guy who can improvise. I'm tired of hearing how the receivers weren't where he expected then to be so he threw it to a defender instead. If they're not where they're supposed to be, you improvise, brian. You improvise.
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Here's all I can say:
Mike Pettine has been fed up with the antics of Manziel for quite some time (late night stuff, the vegas stuff, etc)
Mike Pettine and a few veterans prefer Hoyer
Kyle Shanahan prefers Manziel because he benefits the offense more.
A lot of people want Manziel to start within the organization but are afraid to speak up for job security reasons.
Hoyer WILL NOT be back UNDER ANY circumstance next year barring a miracle.
I honestly, truly, deep down believe if Harbaugh becomes available Haslam will make a run at him.
Here's all I can say:
Mike Pettine has been fed up with the antics of Manziel for quite some time (late night stuff, the vegas stuff, etc)
Mike Pettine and a few veterans prefer Hoyer
Kyle Shanahan prefers Manziel because he benefits the offense more.
A lot of people want Manziel to start within the organization but are afraid to speak up for job security reasons.
Hoyer WILL NOT be back UNDER ANY circumstance next year barring a miracle.
I honestly, truly, deep down believe if Harbaugh becomes available Haslam will make a run at him.
I am to the point where I want Manziel to start and succeed. Having said that the "antics" as you call them are a legitimate concern. When a guy can't even get his ass to bed before 3:30 am on the night before a game where he has the real potential to play its pathetic. More pathetic is he isn't even discrete enough to keep it out of the public eye. People can try to defend that saying he is still just a kid but thats BS. At his level of athletic performance there is no doubt that would have a more than negative effect on his play.
Regarding Harbaugh I think that is highly unlikely. Haslam took a lot of heat for the way he quickly fired the last coach. It was a huge factor in why most coaches wouldnt come here. If he fires another coach after a year, one who took us to our best record in years, he won't get anyone to coach in Cleveland.
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Jesus who the hell cares what the guy does in his free time if he shows up and plays well. He could not sleep at all for all I care if Manziel went out and played like we saw against the Bills. It's clear as day that getting there early to prepare didn't work for Hoyer. As long as Manziel isn't getting into legal trouble it doesn't matter to me in the slightest.
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Here's all I can say:
Mike Pettine has been fed up with the antics of Manziel for quite some time (late night stuff, the vegas stuff, etc)
Mike Pettine and a few veterans prefer Hoyer
Kyle Shanahan prefers Manziel because he benefits the offense more.
A lot of people want Manziel to start within the organization but are afraid to speak up for job security reasons.
Hoyer WILL NOT be back UNDER ANY circumstance next year barring a miracle.
I honestly, truly, deep down believe if Harbaugh becomes available Haslam will make a run at him.
I am to the point where I want Manziel to start and succeed. Having said that the "antics" as you call them are a legitimate concern. When a guy can't even get his ass to bed before 3:30 am on the night before a game where he has the real potential to play its pathetic. More pathetic is he isn't even discrete enough to keep it out of the public eye. People can try to defend that saying he is still just a kid but thats BS. At his level of athletic performance there is no doubt that would have a more than negative effect on his play.
Regarding Harbaugh I think that is highly unlikely. Haslam took a lot of heat for the way he quickly fired the last coach. It was a huge factor in why most coaches wouldnt come here. If he fires another coach after a year, one who took us to our best record in years, he won't get anyone to coach in Cleveland.
I am to the point where I want Manziel to start and succeed. Having said that the "antics" as you call them are a legitimate concern. When a guy can't even get his ass to bed before 3:30 am on the night before a game where he has the real potential to play its pathetic. More pathetic is he isn't even discrete enough to keep it out of the public eye.
Regarding Harbaugh I think that is highly unlikely. Haslam took a lot of heat for the way he quickly fired the last coach. It was a huge factor in why most coaches wouldnt come here. If he fires another coach after a year, one who took us to our best record in years, he won't get anyone to coach in Cleveland.
I haven't seen anything about his 3:30am tweet, but I wonder if he woulda done the same had he gotten the call earlier this week. Who knows, maybe he woke up in the middle of the night and decided to tweet about it. Anyway, he was on time.
And it's ludicrous for people to seriously be thinking about coaching changes.
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Yeah the coach is safe. Hoyer not so much.
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