Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Pettines doing a great job. Just stop.
Our team came ready to play, in all facets except the offense...
He's made some mistakes with clock management, and you can debate about his handling of the QB situation. But for a rookie HC he's done really well.
Our team is built to contend in the AFCN for many years to come.
I don't entirely mind pettine not pulling hoyer, but I think we win with manziel in the 2nd half. Also, shame on shanahan for that dog shit play calling and game plan.
I think we can beat Cincinnati with hoyer, I would predict we do win actually. I still think we should make the move to johnny though. Hoyers footwork and pocket presence was shameful yesterday - if it was a tough call last week, should be an easy call this week.
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I love that Johnny shows to support the cavs. Kid's got balls. Have that same attitude on the field and we'll be ok.
Exactly. As I've said many times on this board, Johnny is the same on and off the field. Fearless. Don't try to change him, just put saddle on him and ride him. He is a baller, and he's getting bored watching a guy who is a tenth the talent of him getting starts and, even worse, getting the support of other players and coaches.
If they're so stupid as to WANT Hoyer, why should Johnny do anything more than what he has to do.
And again, Pettine's mad he went to a Cavs game??? Really?
As I've said many times on this board, Johnny is the same on and off the field. Fearless. Don't try to change him, just put saddle on him and ride him. He is a baller, and he's getting bored watching a guy who is a tenth the talent of him getting starts and, even worse, getting the support of other players and coaches.
If they're so stupid as to WANT Hoyer, why should Johnny do anything more than what he has to do.
And again, Pettine's mad he went to a Cavs game??? Really?
Mad about going to the game? Doubtful.
Mad that went to game when his job performance showed he needed to spend the time studying? Possible?
QB evaluations are on-going, all week long on the practice field and in the film room. How's JM doing there? I'm asking because I have no idea. Do you?
We can only infer that our HC, who has consistently in word and deed emphasized that you win playing time during the week, is not impressed with JM's weekday performance.
Before I address this tidbit, would you confirm that it reads as you intended it to?
"If they're so stupid as to WANT Hoyer, why should Johnny do anything more than what he has to do."
Because as I read it you are more than OK with JM setting the terms and doing the minimum.
As for your oft repeated don't change him bit, I will again reply that I agree, and that in part is why I did not want to draft him. But this time I will add that relationships often start with one or both parties thinking the other will change.. and those relationships often do not end well.
I think he needs to quit the tweeting or change his name so no one outside of his friends knows who he is.
Ah... so the solution is to hide the behavior... Got it.
So as a business owner, you would choose to lose money by promoting the guy who works hard but sucks at his job, as opposed to the wild man who could land you the biggest accounts you've ever had? Sound business strategy.
Sound strawman based upon too many episodes of Madmen.
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What do you want Shanahan to call when his qb can't hit a wide open receiver and the other team has sold out on the run, because our qb can't hit a wide open receiver? End arounds? Tried it. Trickery? Tried it. Flea flickers? Why not the halfback throwing can't be any worse than hoyer.
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If you want Johnny to be more mature, then just stick with Hoyer. He seems very mature. Also he sucks, but he's very mature.
Johnny is who he is. Don't change him, put him on the field and watch. If the offense goes off for 40, and you still don't want him going to cavs games on a Tuesday, then bench him.
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Hide seems to be the only way to keep the publicity off of him. Look at all the news again popping up about him now that the media realizes its only a matter of time before he starts. I doubt he can take a piss without tmz reporting on it. 'JFF was seen taking a piss at 0230 on a Tuesday' Obviously, he is not taking his job seriously.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I think a lot of people are blaming Hoyer for issues that aren't his fault
I think it must suck for Hoyer having fans call for the unproven rookie as soon as he throws an interception
I think NFL defenses will figure out Johnny after a game or two of film on him
That being said, I say we start Johnny. We're out of the playoffs and we might as well see what he can do.
I think a lot of people are blaming Hoyer for issues that aren't his fault
I think it must suck for Hoyer having fans call for the unproven rookie as soon as he throws an interception
I think NFL defenses will figure out Johnny after a game or two of film on him
That being said, I say we start Johnny. We're out of the playoffs and we might as well see what he can do.
Still a slim chance that we could get in, but very slim. So if Manziel is the future, then you may as well start him for the last 3 games to see what he can do, and hopefully provide a spark going into next year.
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I think a lot of people are blaming Hoyer for issues that aren't his fault
I think it must suck for Hoyer having fans call for the unproven rookie as soon as he throws an interception
I think NFL defenses will figure out Johnny after a game or two of film on him
That being said, I say we start Johnny. We're out of the playoffs and we might as well see what he can do.
I think a lot of people are blaming Hoyer for issues that aren't his fault
I think it must suck for Hoyer having fans call for the unproven rookie as soon as he throws an interception
I think NFL defenses will figure out Johnny after a game or two of film on him
That being said, I say we start Johnny. We're out of the playoffs and we might as well see what he can do.
It wasn't his fault that he missed wide open receivers by 10 yards or more, that would have been touchdowns? The interceptions?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Hide seems to be the only way to keep the publicity off of him. Look at all the news again popping up about him now that the media realizes its only a matter of time before he starts. I doubt he can take a piss without tmz reporting on it. 'JFF was seen taking a piss at 0230 on a Tuesday' Obviously, he is not taking his job seriously.
Hide seems to be the only way to keep the publicity off of him. Look at all the news again popping up about him now that the media realizes its only a matter of time before he starts. I doubt he can take a piss without tmz reporting on it. 'JFF was seen taking a piss at 0230 on a Tuesday' Obviously, he is not taking his job seriously.
Holy shit! His urine is too dark. He needs to start drinking more water. He is disrespecting his coaches by not drinking atleast 8 full glasses a day.
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Said it this morning, If Hoyer is the starter I'm not going to the game (we have season tix) and ill stay home.
If Hoyer is starting, that says bad things.
1. Johnny isn't as good as Brian fucking Hoyer. You gotta be kidding, if our 22nd pick is still looking more terrible than a dude whose thrown 10 picks and no Tds in four games. That is bad. I don't want to watch if Brian Hoyer is the best the Browns have, because he is not enough to win.
2. I also would lose a lot of confidence in Pet. How can you not see the offense needs a change?
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Clearly you dont understand simple english....""disrespect"".....look it up. Really, you're just boring me now.
I think he's irresponsible and unprofessional.....and you dont.
And I think if you're paid millions to do a job, you should respect your bosses guidelines....and you dont.
Lets agree to disagree and just move on....
Clearly you have no facts to back up your assumptions. What did he do wrong? And I clearly understand basic english since you are reading this right now.
Clearly you have no facts to back up your assumptions. What did he do wrong? And I clearly understand basic english since you are reading this right now.
The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I hope he plays well.....I really do.....just wish we had a Brady, Manning, Kosar, Aikman, Rodgers type of pro, instead of a TMZ spoiled drunk party kid type of pro.....
If you cant get your head around that, then I can not explain it further......sorry
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Clearly you have no facts to back up your assumptions. What did he do wrong? And I clearly understand basic english since you are reading this right now.
The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I hope he plays well.....I really do.....just wish we had a Brady, Manning, Kosar, Aikman, Rodgers type of pro, instead of a TMZ spoiled drunk party kid type of pro.....
If you cant get your head around that, then I can not explain it further......sorry
The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I hope he plays well.....I really do.....just wish we had a Brady, Manning, Kosar, Aikman, Rodgers type of pro, instead of a TMZ spoiled drunk party kid type of pro.....
If you cant get your head around that, then I can not explain it further......sorry
Can you post a link?
Obviously how he is living his life is not working out for him.
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Tour,
" Before I address this tidbit, would you confirm that it reads as you intended it to? "If they're so stupid as to WANT Hoyer, why should Johnny do anything more than what he has to do." Because as I read it you are more than OK with JM setting the terms and doing the minimum."
I'm saying that it is plausible for Johnny to be pissed and upset that the "veterans" and "coaches" want Hoyer to start despite the fact that Johnny was more productive in one series than Hoyer has been in weeks.
If the decision to then start Hoyer caused Johnny to only show up on time to work, and not 5 hours early, who could blame him?
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Clearly you have no facts to back up your assumptions. What did he do wrong? And I clearly understand basic english since you are reading this right now.
The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I hope he plays well.....I really do.....just wish we had a Brady, Manning, Kosar, Aikman, Rodgers type of pro, instead of a TMZ spoiled drunk party kid type of pro.....
If you cant get your head around that, then I can not explain it further......sorry
The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I too am interested to hear when this was said.
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The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I hope he plays well.....I really do.....just wish we had a Brady, Manning, Kosar, Aikman, Rodgers type of pro, instead of a TMZ spoiled drunk party kid type of pro.....
If you cant get your head around that, then I can not explain it further......sorry
Can you post a link?
Obviously how he is living his life is not working out for him.
Can you post a link?
Obviously how he is living his life is not working out for him.
Are you just Retarded???
A link to what?
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Clearly you have no facts to back up your assumptions. What did he do wrong? And I clearly understand basic english since you are reading this right now.
The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I hope he plays well.....I really do.....just wish we had a Brady, Manning, Kosar, Aikman, Rodgers type of pro, instead of a TMZ spoiled drunk party kid type of pro.....
If you cant get your head around that, then I can not explain it further......sorry
The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I hope he plays well.....I really do.....just wish we had a Brady, Manning, Kosar, Aikman, Rodgers type of pro, instead of a TMZ spoiled drunk party kid type of pro.....
If you cant get your head around that, then I can not explain it further......sorry
Psst you mentioned Bernie Kosar among your list of teetotaler choirboys... Just saying.
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Can you post a link?
Obviously how he is living his life is not working out for him.
Are you just Retarded???
A link to what?
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Hide seems to be the only way to keep the publicity off of him. Look at all the news again popping up about him now that the media realizes its only a matter of time before he starts. I doubt he can take a piss without tmz reporting on it. 'JFF was seen taking a piss at 0230 on a Tuesday' Obviously, he is not taking his job seriously.
He has been pretty quiet news wise since pre season started save for the incident last week in his hotel, at 2:30amHide seems to be the only way to keep the publicity off of him. Look at all the news again popping up about him now that the media realizes its only a matter of time before he starts. I doubt he can take a piss without tmz reporting on it. 'JFF was seen taking a piss at 0230 on a Tuesday' Obviously, he is not taking his job seriously.
I don't see the cavs game as a big deal, but given the coaches were meeting to make a decision about him starting the next day maybe they wanted to see him keeping quiet and working on football stuff.
Maybe staying late for extra film, asking questions - showing up early for practice tomorrow and busting ass will sway pettine to start him this week.
See him act like he's hungry for his NFL starting debut.
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I have a feeling that Pettine will start Hoyer. I hope I'm wrong.
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He has been pretty quiet news wise since pre season started save for the incident last week in his hotel, at 2:30amHide seems to be the only way to keep the publicity off of him. Look at all the news again popping up about him now that the media realizes its only a matter of time before he starts. I doubt he can take a piss without tmz reporting on it. 'JFF was seen taking a piss at 0230 on a Tuesday' Obviously, he is not taking his job seriously.
I don't see the cavs game as a big deal, but given the coaches were meeting to make a decision about him starting the next day maybe they wanted to see him keeping quiet and working on football stuff.
Maybe staying late for extra film, asking questions - showing up early for practice tomorrow and busting ass will sway pettine to start him this week.
See him act like he's hungry for his NFL starting debut.
He has been pretty quiet news wise since pre season started save for the incident last week in his hotel, at 2:30am
I don't see the cavs game as a big deal, but given the coaches were meeting to make a decision about him starting the next day maybe they wanted to see him keeping quiet and working on football stuff.
Maybe staying late for extra film, asking questions - showing up early for practice tomorrow and busting ass will sway pettine to start him this week.
See him act like he's hungry for his NFL starting debut.
Well apparently that worked for Brian Hoyer. For the team and the fans? Not so much.
WSS
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The only facts I need is that he clearly....and publicly....said he will not change for anything...not his teammates....not his coaches....not the team....and to me that is, by definition, disrespect for his role here
Thats enough for me.
I too am interested to hear when this was said.
I too am interested to hear when this was said.
It was said in camp....a looooooooooooong time ago......and discussed in depth here and in the media.....
You guys can go on and on and on making excuses for johnny. but no matter what, he doesnt act like MOST top flight pros....
Thats all Im saying....immature.....so, keep arguing....but he's immature.....immature.....immature....(look it up)...
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