Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Let me see if I can shed some light on the Manziel following. There have been plenty of really decent players come out of A&M to various teams over the years and it's usually fun to watch their games when they are on. But Johnny Football was different from all of them. I think I once said on here that I called my Aggie friend with the Superbowl ring on his hand to tell he that after almost 50 years I had demoted him to second place as the greatest A&M athlete I had ever seen in 60 years of watching A&M football.
Johnny Manziel was the most head spinning, do everything athlete you could possibly imagine kind of player. Right up there with Bo Jackson. So it's the same reason a lot of people who were not Browns enjoyed watching the greatest runner every seen, Jim Brown. When you see someone who does things on a field you've never seen before you want to hang around just to see what he's gonna do next. So that is what you have. A player like none of us has ever seen has come your way. And apparently most of the rest of the nation wants to see him play as well, otherwise there would not be such a media circus.
Let me see if I can shed some light on the Manziel following.
Again???
The only person that can turn Johnny Skeptics like me into Johnny fans is Johnny... and the only way he does that is leading the Browns' Offense efficiently... he does that and I am good with him being a Brown.
Ag, you, and Ever, and the new guy, Faded, hell even, ABF are all credible advocates of Johnny... at least part of the time. But even you can't instill true belief in all things Johnny in me. And here is why...
Anyone telling me to have faith in Johnny is asking me to have faith in them first. And I've no reason to do that... especially not since I can see Johnny for myself in the very near future.
Go Browns...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Just to be clear because it seems like people kept thinking I was trying to imply that people without college degrees are somehow a lower class or unable to be successful. Like I said: folks tend to read what they want to read.
It was said that I must be a kid because I follow college football. My retort is that if you didn't go to a big-time college that soaks up CFB every Saturday, then of course you'd have no idea and you are more likely to be a NFL fan. I don't know many people who are Michigan, Texas, A&M, Nebraska, Oregon, Bama, Florida fans and are also "die-hard" NFL fans. That was my only point. They are usually mutually exclusive to some degree (not all mind you). This is why I prefer CFB over NFL.
I don't know many people who are Michigan, Texas, A&M, Nebraska, Oregon, Bama, Florida fans and are also "die-hard" NFL fans. That was my only point. They are usually mutually exclusive to some degree (not all mind you). This is why I prefer CFB over NFL.
Head of the Department of "Making Shit Up?"
"Usually mutually"??? I did not know there were degrees of being mutually exclusive... Gig 'em!
And you did not even list THE Ohio State University... boy did you fuck up.
Hey Fellow Browns' Fans... Are any of you Dyed-in-the-wool Buckeye Fans?
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On a side note, johnny and hoyer were quick to dismiss the shoddy reports of hoyer always giving johnny the cold shoulder.
And manziel joked he didn't go to the cavs game.
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Does that mean, no, you didn't notice before that JFF and the Brownie look a bit alike, or no, you see no resemblence?
There IS a resemblence.
No as in there is no resemblance whatsoever...
Cram a couple pounds of Brownies ears into nose and we'll talk...
And the camera angle and the fact that Hoyer is further away from the camera creates the illusion that their heights are close.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Does that mean, no, you didn't notice before that JFF and the Brownie look a bit alike, or no, you see no resemblence?
There IS a resemblence.
No as in there is no resemblance whatsoever...
Cram a couple pounds of Brownies ears into nose and we'll talk...
And the camera angle and the fact that Hoyer is further away from the camera creates the illusion that their heights are close.
And the camera angle and the fact that Hoyer is further away from the camera creates the illusion that their heights are close.
perspective illusion.
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exactly why we don't need another.
Ok.
What can I say.
So if he gets killed in the first three starts we still have BH.
Or trade him today for a second package it up with our first two number ones to move up for Jamarcus Winston.
I wish BH was better but he's not. So I guess I'll cross my fingers and root for Johnny until somebody proves me wrong.
WSS
Ok.
What can I say.
So if he gets killed in the first three starts we still have BH.
Or trade him today for a second package it up with our first two number ones to move up for Jamarcus Winston.
I wish BH was better but he's not. So I guess I'll cross my fingers and root for Johnny until somebody proves me wrong.
WSS
steve, i get your point, which is none actually.
you rooted for hoyer but still stuck it to him when he screwed up and asked why they did't start the kid....going back to week 10. but yet when asked about manziel you said he's great but at the same time he could mess up.
when you go to a casino do you bet 400 on red and 400 on black?
if you read the recent posts i think you might realize the majority of us on here are done with hoyer given the fact the way he's played the last 4 games. so i don't get the fact that you think others aren't going to root for manziel now. is it that you were right somehow and others were wrong? i'd love to see your pro-johnny posts before the season and the talk of hoyer getting pulled while we were winning.
stick to singing a sinatra tune cuz this other song you're singing is getting played....out.
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I actually had an epiphany a short while ago.
I recall in 2012 sitting in the stadium (Kyle Field), and this guy in his mid 40s was jostling for position among kids to get players' autographs on the sideline. He came down and sat next to my wife and I. He asked me who all of the players were that he just got autographs from. He was wearing a number 2 jersey and said he loves Manziel. I asked him a few things and he quickly admitted that he didn't go to A&M, but he loved watching Manziel and had to come watch him in person.
From that point forward I realized that while t-shirt fans in general can be a good thing for total revenue and representation in our state (competing in popularity), I still disliked having all of these new outsiders.
While not quite to that level (I don't own a Manziel jersey either TAMU or Browns), I'll admit I'm getting close to that person I despise. I'll leave you numbnuts in peace. We both want the same thing, but y'all are right: if there wasn't an Aggie on the Browns team I wouldn't give a flip about your team and would move onto the next.
One down fellas. Enjoy what's left of your season.
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Z stepping on your "JM to Start" thread must have stung like a bitch...
No actually it didn't, I'm always 2 steps ahead of you in the information and glad it got merged.
I'm not a 17 year teen who goes dissecting everything thread and making snarky, non contributing comments, get over yourself dad.
No actually it didn't, I'm always 2 steps ahead of you in the information and glad it got merged.
I'm not a 17 year teen who goes dissecting everything thread and making snarky, non contributing comments, get over yourself dad.
Two steps? Can you do that on "two broken legs?"
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I actually had an epiphany a short while ago.
I recall in 2012 sitting in the stadium (Kyle Field), and this guy in his mid 40s was jostling for position among kids to get players' autographs on the sideline. He came down and sat next to my wife and I. He asked me who all of the players were that he just got autographs from. He was wearing a number 2 jersey and said he loves Manziel. I asked him a few things and he quickly admitted that he didn't go to A&M, but he loved watching Manziel and had to come watch him in person.
From that point forward I realized that while t-shirt fans in general can be a good thing for total revenue and representation in our state (competing in popularity), I still disliked having all of these new outsiders.
While not quite to that level (I don't own a Manziel jersey either TAMU or Browns), I'll admit I'm getting close to that person I despise. I'll leave you numbnuts in peace. We both want the same thing, but y'all are right: if there wasn't an Aggie on the Browns team I wouldn't give a flip about your team and would move onto the next.
One down fellas. Enjoy what's left of your season.
I actually had an epiphany a short while ago.
I recall in 2012 sitting in the stadium (Kyle Field), and this guy in his mid 40s was jostling for position among kids to get players' autographs on the sideline. He came down and sat next to my wife and I. He asked me who all of the players were that he just got autographs from. He was wearing a number 2 jersey and said he loves Manziel. I asked him a few things and he quickly admitted that he didn't go to A&M, but he loved watching Manziel and had to come watch him in person.
From that point forward I realized that while t-shirt fans in general can be a good thing for total revenue and representation in our state (competing in popularity), I still disliked having all of these new outsiders.
While not quite to that level (I don't own a Manziel jersey either TAMU or Browns), I'll admit I'm getting close to that person I despise. I'll leave you numbnuts in peace. We both want the same thing, but y'all are right: if there wasn't an Aggie on the Browns team I wouldn't give a flip about your team and would move onto the next.
One down fellas. Enjoy what's left of your season.
Sure thing pal. You enjoy those daydreams of Manziel's dick bouncing off the back of your throat. What an asshole.
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I actually had an epiphany a short while ago.
I recall in 2012 sitting in the stadium (Kyle Field), and this guy in his mid 40s was jostling for position among kids to get players' autographs on the sideline. He came down and sat next to my wife and I. He asked me who all of the players were that he just got autographs from. He was wearing a number 2 jersey and said he loves Manziel. I asked him a few things and he quickly admitted that he didn't go to A&M, but he loved watching Manziel and had to come watch him in person.
From that point forward I realized that while t-shirt fans in general can be a good thing for total revenue and representation in our state (competing in popularity), I still disliked having all of these new outsiders.
While not quite to that level (I don't own a Manziel jersey either TAMU or Browns), I'll admit I'm getting close to that person I despise. I'll leave you numbnuts in peace. We both want the same thing, but y'all are right: if there wasn't an Aggie on the Browns team I wouldn't give a flip about your team and would move onto the next.
One down fellas. Enjoy what's left of your season.
if there wasn't an Aggie on the Browns team I wouldn't give a flip about your team and would move onto the next.
One down fellas. Enjoy what's left of your season.
one less egg to fry. one less mouth to feed.
drive safe! have a nice day! grab a cookie on the way out.
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Well again, of the two quarterbacks we have on the roster which one was out for a year due to an injury sustained while running the ball?
The one that has played?
Im not so sure he'll get hurt just because he runs or is an inch shorter...
And he is very elusive....so lots of glancing blows.....
Im sure IF he gets hurt, a lot of folks will claim his style or size is the reason, even though QB's go down every week for a million different reasons....big ones, pocket passers, runners....they all get hit
Brian got hurt sliding, not cause he was hit...
First, Hoyer got hit while sliding. Alonso's added force dug Brian's knee into the turf stopping the slide and the knee gave.
As to JM... agree totally...
He has all the tools he needs to run safely ala Russell Wilson. JM has every attribute you listed plus good vision and mad quicks. The issue is: will he go for more than he can safely get? He has to understand that sticking his head down and trying to drive or dive for a first down in the 3rd Qtr with a tie score is not worth the injury potential no matter how slight he thinks I may be.
As inspiring as the TD vs BUF was the same asshole that speared Barn went for JM's ribs... just didn't get them... that time. But it was a game circumstance worthy of JM's effort and its risk... as it made the score 20-10 with 8+ left... IIRC.
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I sent him an Obama alarm clock. It has the Unites States flag on it and a countdown to 1-17-15
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In the tampa Bay Area all the Bucs games are televised on Fox. So I'm out of luck because they both start at 100. And the sports bars show NASCAR
In the tampa Bay Area all the Bucs games are televised on Fox. So I'm out of luck because they both start at 100. And the sports bars show NASCAR
Senior citizens watching people drive fast, like Brandon weeden watching a Qb read a defense.
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I actually had an epiphany a short while ago.
I recall in 2012 sitting in the stadium (Kyle Field), and this guy in his mid 40s was jostling for position among kids to get players' autographs on the sideline. He came down and sat next to my wife and I. He asked me who all of the players were that he just got autographs from. He was wearing a number 2 jersey and said he loves Manziel. I asked him a few things and he quickly admitted that he didn't go to A&M, but he loved watching Manziel and had to come watch him in person.
From that point forward I realized that while t-shirt fans in general can be a good thing for total revenue and representation in our state (competing in popularity), I still disliked having all of these new outsiders.
While not quite to that level (I don't own a Manziel jersey either TAMU or Browns), I'll admit I'm getting close to that person I despise. I'll leave you numbnuts in peace. We both want the same thing, but y'all are right: if there wasn't an Aggie on the Browns team I wouldn't give a flip about your team and would move onto the next.
One down fellas. Enjoy what's left of your season.
I actually had an epiphany a short while ago.
While not quite to that level (I don't own a Manziel jersey either TAMU or Browns), I'll admit I'm getting close to that person I despise. I'll leave you numbnuts in peace. We both want the same thing, but y'all are right: if there wasn't an Aggie on the Browns team I wouldn't give a flip about your team and would move onto the next.
One down fellas. Enjoy what's left of your season.
Disagree, guys... this is a waste of a perfectly good epiphany.
evan, you get it.
Step one of correcting a problem is recognizing there is a problem... and step two is not hitting the door.
Just chill a little...
show some interest in the Browns...
tell a cool JM story with out the expectation, the demand, that we'll all go wide-eyed...
And then on Sunday help us celebrate what there is to celebrate and dissect what there is to dissect.
The door is open.
But if not, then go in peace...
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Senior citizens watching people drive fast, like Brandon weeden watching a Qb read a defense.
lol... Is it me or have you gotten a lot funnier lately?
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We just need a smart and effective game manager to move the chains and get us in the endzone a couple times... I hope Johnny is our man to do that...
I think that is exactly what shanny is planning using the skills he now knows that Manziel has. I expect more moving pockets, more rollout/naked bootleg and more draw/play action. I also expect him to stretch the field early so the safeties don't do to him what they did to Hoyer. First time they see one sailing 60 yds over their heads with better accuracy I think they stop cheating up to stop the run.
I think that is exactly what shanny is planning using the skills he now knows that Manziel has. I expect more moving pockets, more rollout/naked bootleg and more draw/play action. I also expect him to stretch the field early so the safeties don't do to him what they did to Hoyer. First time they see one sailing 60 yds over their heads with better accuracy I think they stop cheating up to stop the run.
Ag, I have no doubts JF has a better arm & deep accuracy than Hoyer. Can he read a defense better is what I want to see. I wouldn't doubt Guenter will dial up a few exotic blitzes to see how fast Manziel is in recognizing them.
@everlastingxxx said:
You know when someone doesnt know much about the subject when they mention all Johnny did was throw jump balls. I think most JFF fans know his strengths and weaknesses and what he has to work on. The worst part will be the instant evaluations after his first start.
Where did I say that's all he ever did? Mistakes like that are game killers, and most of the time the margin of winning and losing a game in the NFL can turn on one or two plays. Um, you don't see 25 point lines in the NFL like you do in college.
I have a theory that 70-85% of die hard NFL fans 1) never graduated college with a 4 yr degree or 2) never graduated college with a football team worth a damn.
I'm curious if you fall into one of those categories?
Well I'd say you're wrong.
Just to be clear because it seems like people kept thinking I was trying to imply that people without college degrees are somehow a lower class or unable to be successful. Like I said: folks tend to read what they want to read.
It was said that I must be a kid because I follow college football. My retort is that if you didn't go to a big-time college that soaks up CFB every Saturday, then of course you'd have no idea and you are more likely to be a NFL fan. I don't know many people who are Michigan, Texas, A&M, Nebraska, Oregon, Bama, Florida fans and are also "die-hard" NFL fans. That was my only point. They are usually mutually exclusive to some degree (not all mind you). This is why I prefer CFB over NFL.
What you don't understand is being primarily an NFL fan doesn't make it mutually exclusive you're clueless as to what's going on in the college game- it works both ways. Was at the Browns- Colts game, and when they put it up on the scoreboard the Buckeyes were in the playoff, a huge Oh- IO, chant went up. We also have to follow the college game to keep up on what potential studs are out there come draft time.
Incidentally, speaking about the draft- for around the last six years, that would have been the primary area of discussion on this board in December.
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