Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Aafc doesn't count in the nfl. It should because the browns entered the nfl and immediately dominated but it doesn't
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Exactly. The AFC is too often dominated by the same teams for the past while, and my Patriots being one of them. As much as this makes me extremely happy as a Pats fan and I hope that they can stay as contenders forever, things are bound to change. But change is good, and to stay on the topic of what this thread is about, the Browns seem to be approaching a change- you guys are in the hunt for a playoff spot and honestly I like that. Keeps things interesting, instead of it just coming down to the "Brady vs. Manning vs. Andrew Luck Show" like everyone seems to think it will.
In that case I'm not sure. Enlighten me, oh Gipper, to whom this AFC team is?
Exactly. The AFC is too often dominated by the same teams for the past while, and my Patriots being one of them. As much as this makes me extremely happy as a Pats fan and I hope that they can stay as contenders forever, things are bound to change. But change is good, and to stay on the topic of what this thread is about, the Browns seem to be approaching a change- you guys are in the hunt for a playoff spot and honestly I like that. Keeps things interesting, instead of it just coming down to the "Brady vs. Manning vs. Andrew Luck Show" like everyone seems to think it will.
In that case I'm not sure. Enlighten me, oh Gipper, to whom this AFC team is?
Here is the total breakdown:
Cleveland Browns 13 championship game appearances. 8 wins
Pittsburgh Steelers 8 championship game. 6 wins
New England Patriots 7 Championship games 3 wins
Denver Broncos 7 Championship games 2 wins
Baltimore/Indy Colts 7 Championship games
Buffalo Bills 6 Championship games 2 wins
San Diego Chargers 6 Championship games 1 win
Oakland/LA RAiders 5 Championship games 3 wins
Miami Dolphins 5 Championship games 2 wins
Houston Oiler/Tenn Tits. 4 Championship games 2 wins
KC Chiefs/Dallas Texans 3 Championship games 2 win
Baltimore Ravens 2 games 2 wins
New York Jets 1 Championship game 1 win
Bengals 2 Championship games -0- wins
Houston Texans no games
Jacksonville Jaguars no games
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Ok...I stand corrected....11 played....only 4 won...my bad
Thirteen played. 8 won. It is not that hard to count.
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Aafc doesn't count in the nfl. It should because the browns entered the nfl and immediately dominated but it doesn't
Aafc doesn't count in the nfl. It should because the browns entered the nfl and immediately dominated but it doesn't
It does count. You are wrong. Read the fucking facts. It ain't that hard to read or to count.
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Aafc just flat out doesn't count to the nfl
Bullshit. It counts on what we call Planet Earth. Did you see the link?
Bullshit. It counts on what we call Planet Earth. Did you see the link?
I'm curious about which part of the link you are referring to that makes it count. Don't worry, I count them.
I noticed one part which stated this:
In 1948, the Browns became the first professional football team to complete an entire season undefeated and untied — 24 years before the 1972 Miami Dolphins of the NFL would accomplish the task, but this feat is not recognized by NFL record books. Unlike the AFL statistics which are treated as NFL statistics, records of the AAFC and its teams (most of which folded) are not recognized. However, individual AAFC player statistics are included in Pro Football Hall of Fame records, and the defunct conference is memorialized in the Hall.
Seems contradictory to me.
Also, Packers and Bears have more championship wins, but they are NFC teams.
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Hello all, I am a Patriots fan born and raised in Mass. but have been reading about all the Johnny Football hysteria and this thread was so entertaining to me that I thought I'd join the conversation. I've been following the NFL for a long time and although Hoyer did a solid job starting out I feel like your coach is making the right decision. I'm not on the Johnny Football bandwagon just yet but I'm not a hater either. I think he has potential and all he has to do is be better than Hoyer has been which isn't saying much. I think he'll go out and give a solid performance either way. And if he does end up being a superstar? Good for you guys!
You Aggies fans paying attention? This is how you come into someone else's house. I hate the Patriots and I hope they lose every game they play. I hope Brady finds out that Gronk is banging Gisele and they get into a fistfight in the middle of the field on Sunday. I hope Belichick is exposed in a massive cheating scandal and they retroactively take all of his Super Bowl titles away. Nonetheless, welcome to the board Pats_Fan93. Here's to a Browns/Pats AFC championship one day (in which the Browns win 103-0 and Belichick breaks down in tears)
You Aggies fans paying attention? This is how you come into someone else's house.
After reading all this crap I have come to the decision that you're all a bunch of Johhny-come-lately-fanboys.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=johnny-come-lately
Except Tour-he at least has the balls to be a skeptic still. 🥷
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Bullshit. It counts on what we call Planet Earth. Did you see the link?
I'm curious about which part of the link you are referring to that makes it count. Don't worry, I count them.
I noticed one part which stated this:
In 1948, the Browns became the first professional football team to complete an entire season undefeated and untied — 24 years before the 1972 Miami Dolphins of the NFL would accomplish the task, but this feat is not recognized by NFL record books. Unlike the AFL statistics which are treated as NFL statistics, records of the AAFC and its teams (most of which folded) are not recognized. However, individual AAFC player statistics are included in Pro Football Hall of Fame records, and the defunct conference is memorialized in the Hall.
Seems contradictory to me.
Also, Packers and Bears have more championship wins, but they are NFC teams.
I'm curious about which part of the link you are referring to that makes it count. Don't worry, I count them.
I noticed one part which stated this:
In 1948, the Browns became the first professional football team to complete an entire season undefeated and untied — 24 years before the 1972 Miami Dolphins of the NFL would accomplish the task, but this feat is not recognized by NFL record books. Unlike the AFL statistics which are treated as NFL statistics, records of the AAFC and its teams (most of which folded) are not recognized. However, individual AAFC player statistics are included in Pro Football Hall of Fame records, and the defunct conference is memorialized in the Hall.
Seems contradictory to me.
Also, Packers and Bears have more championship wins, but they are NFC teams.
It is not contradictory. I have given this story before any number of times. It all comes down to the petty jealousy and resentment of one guy: Bert Bell Owner of the Philadelphia Eagles and NFL Commissioner at the time.
Recall that the AAFC started in 1946.
The AAFC was right off actually more popular than the NFL. It got bigger crowds. It paid its players more. It included black players where mostly the NFL would not.
Despite all this...the NFL looked down its nose at the AAFC....thinking it was superior. There was a proposal in both 1947 and 1948 to do a "World Series of Football" Game featuring the winner of the AAFC...the Browns and the winner of the NFL.....which in the case of 1948 was Bell's Eagles. Bell refused to have his team/league participate. While the AAFC was probably better, it was not as sound financially....and the domination by the Browns of that league actually turned people off....because who would win was a foregone conclusion.
So, the AAFC/NFL merger occurred for the 1950. Finally, Bert Bell and the Eagles could not avoid the Browns, which were one of 3-4 teams that merged with NFL teams or were taken in. Bell thought that his team was by far the superior and that he would show the upstart Browns by slaughtering them on opening day of the 1950 season. Well, yes, a slaughter did take place. The Browns spanked the Eagles like a red headed step child. Bell was embarassed at having boasted how much better the NFL and its teams were than the AAFC and the Browns......but of course they were not better. The Browns were the superior force in football....going on to appear in 6 of the next 7 NFL title games. But due to Bells' bitterness and resentment over that loss of prestige for his team and himself, he still had the power to issue edicts concerning certain matters pertaining to league business. So he declared that the AAFC records and statistics would not be recognized.....and no commish to this date has had the balls to overturn that decision. But that is what the is all about.
The Browns would have and did kill every NFL champ in the 1946-1950 period. The only team that would have been a good match and might have had a chance to beat the Browns were the 1946 Bears. The 1947 Cards and the 1948/49 Eagles would have been chum for the Browns. Bell knew that as well....and did the only thing in his power to fuel his resentful and bitter attitude.
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You Aggies fans paying attention? This is how you come into someone else's house.
After reading all this crap I have come to the decision that you're all a bunch of Johhny-come-lately-fanboys.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=johnny-come-lately
Except Tour-he at least has the balls to be a skeptic still. 🥷
After reading all this crap I have come to the decision that you're all a bunch of Johhny-come-lately-fanboys.
Sorry.....this thread is no longer about Johnny.....we got tired of hearing about him...
So....instead.....we are on to the New England Patriots and Cleveland Browns Championships....
You aggies got a way to get JFF back into the mix?......maybe tell the Pats fans how great he is was in college?
Or how Johnny will get us more championships, like he did in college wanted to in college?
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You Aggies fans paying attention? This is how you come into someone else's house.
After reading all this crap I have come to the decision that you're all a bunch of Johhny-come-lately-fanboys.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=johnny-come-lately
Except Tour-he at least has the balls to be a skeptic still. 🥷
After reading all this crap I have come to the decision that you're all a bunch of Johhny-come-lately-fanboys.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=johnny-come-lately
Except Tour-he at least has the balls to be a skeptic still. 🥷
I specifically said that I am neither fan nor hater. I am an outside observer who has no affiliation with Aggies, Browns, Johnny Clipboard, or anyone else on here. I am simply here to talk football about the Browns because they are a team I have been keeping a close eye on this year.
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After reading all this crap I have come to the decision that you're all a bunch of Johhny-come-lately-fanboys.
Sorry.....this thread is no longer about Johnny.....we got tired of hearing about him...
So....instead.....we are on to the New England Patriots and Cleveland Browns Championships....
You aggies got a way to get JFF back into the mix?......maybe tell the Pats fans how great he is was in college?
Or how Johnny will get us more championships, like he did in college wanted to in college?
Sorry.....this thread is no longer about Johnny.....we got tired of hearing about him...
So....instead.....we are on to the New England Patriots and Cleveland Browns Championships....
You aggies got a way to get JFF back into the mix?......maybe tell the Pats fans how great he is was in college?
Or how Johnny will get us more championships, like he did in college wanted to in college?
I completely agree. Pats-Browns championship would be an epic AFC matchup. I feel like it would be a good game depending on how the offense is with Johnny. You're defense is very formidable. It would be a much better game than alot of people think, in my opinion.
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Aafc championships don't count towards official nfl records. End of story. No point getting angry about it. It is what it is.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
After reading all this crap I have come to the decision that you're all a bunch of Johhny-come-lately-fanboys.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=johnny-come-lately
Except Tour-he at least has the balls to be a skeptic still. 🥷
I specifically said that I am neither fan nor hater. I am an outside observer who has no affiliation with Aggies, Browns, Johnny Clipboard, or anyone else on here. I am simply here to talk football about the Browns because they are a team I have been keeping a close eye on this year.
I specifically said that I am neither fan nor hater. I am an outside observer who has no affiliation with Aggies, Browns, Johnny Clipboard, or anyone else on here. I am simply here to talk football about the Browns because they are a team I have been keeping a close eye on this year.
Dont mind the JFF fanbois.....if the name has aggie or ag or Texa in it, just ignore.......if you talk to them, they will bomb you with 2 years worth of useless college stats and god like praise for a boy quarterback, bordering on obscene.....
Then, they will repeat it 10, 327, 998, 437 times.....in case you were on Mars for the last 6 months
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Thanks for the warm welcome bonedawg, no offense taken by the hatred of the Pats- I don't expect anyone outside of Massachusetts NOT to hate them hahaha. And a Pats-Browns AFC championship would be awesome. I'm sick of the goddamned Bronco's, Colt's, etc...
If you are sick of those matchups, then your team can just stay home.
How about if I give you a little trivia fest: Which AFC team has won the most championships in its history and played in the most championship games? (not conference championships...actual championships)
Which AFC team has won the most championships in its history and played in the most championship games?
Aafc championships don't count towards official nfl records. End of story.
Clearly you didn't read the trivia question in context(not uncommon)..........where did he ask about NFL records?...
I do believe the question simply asks how many "championships in history"(see above quote)....end of story
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I specifically said that I am neither fan nor hater. I am an outside observer who has no affiliation with Aggies, Browns, Johnny Clipboard, or anyone else on here. I am simply here to talk football about the Browns because they are a team I have been keeping a close eye on this year.
Dont mind the JFF fanbois.....if the name has aggie or ag or Texa in it, just ignore.......if you talk to them, they will bomb you with 2 years worth of useless college stats and god like praise for a boy quarterback, bordering on obscene.....
Then, they will repeat it 10, 327, 998, 437 times.....in case you were on Mars for the last 6 months
Dont mind the JFF fanbois.....if the name has aggie or ag or Texa in it, just ignore.......if you talk to them, they will bomb you with 2 years worth of useless college stats and god like praise for a boy quarterback, bordering on obscene.....
Then, they will repeat it 10, 327, 998, 437 times.....in case you were on Mars for the last 6 months
LOL! Just pullin' chains this week Mudfly-what I really want to see from now on is what I saw Sunday from the D-real f'n Browns football right in their faces!
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Ok that's a fair point but officially those games don't count to the nfl and that's all there is to it.
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Do the afl titles pre merger count in official standings?
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If afl records count aafc records should also count
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Dont mind the JFF fanbois.....if the name has aggie or ag or Texa in it, just ignore.......if you talk to them, they will bomb you with 2 years worth of useless college stats and god like praise for a boy quarterback, bordering on obscene.....
Then, they will repeat it 10, 327, 998, 437 times.....in case you were on Mars for the last 6 months
LOL! Just pullin' chains this week Mudfly-what I really want to see from now on is what I saw Sunday from the D-real f'n Browns football right in their faces!
LOL! Just pullin' chains this week Mudfly-what I really want to see from now on is what I saw Sunday from the D-real f'n Browns football right in their faces!
Right back atcha bud..
....a little give & take....and we know you're excited(we are too)....its like christmas eve really....anticipation......But....Mr Aggie.....if JFF is GREAT this week and you all come on here stroking it like a teenager who just got his first porno, then Im instantly gonna start saying he sucked....just be ready
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