John Football Excuses Forum....
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Woo hoo. Tour de dick head has another anti JFF post.
Woo hoo. Tour de dick head has another anti JFF post.
LOL... man, you are a riot. Stop it you're killin' me... So effin' funny. So effin' clever. Can't believe you're posting gold like this for free...
Here's one for you... What's the difference between objectivity and bias?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Actually that was Tiamat63 s point; that both quarterbacks were getting first team reps. At least that's the one I was responding to.
In that case... nevermind...
The card playing reference was this. Once we wanted to learn to play Pinochle. So a couple of us studied and studied the hoyle book games. It took like forever and we'd given up. Then we sat in with a couple guys at the Student Union and just started playing. It really went a lot easier and better than reading the book. That's all. Live game experience in my opinion is far far far superior to reading a playbook. And there's still no real evidence he didn't do that. But you get my point?
Disagree on the evidence, but whatever. As for your point... maybe... just maybe I was being purposely dense.
Golf... You can hit balls until your callouses have callouses. Draw, fade, high, low... become a four-star range master. Pitch, chip and putt until the caddymaster chases you home.
Doesn't mean shit until you do it on the course. And if all you play is casually; doesn't mean shit in your first tourney...
Practice does not always make perfect. Kinda what you were getting at?
Playing live music is the perfect analogy! And as a drummer, I can relate 100%......cause I could practice, practice practice.....woodshed to a CD for a month.....and still be clueless when I sit in with the band for the first time.
I sometimes play with some fantastic musicians at Jam nights, but can tell you its usually a train wreck musically.....it might be fun, but definitely not pretty.....
We're not mathematically eliminated... yet, but were only a 1 in 11 shot now.
So let's talk top five drummers...
Mine:
Billy Cobham, Carl Palmer, Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell and Gene Krupa.
Honorable mention to one-time, Santana wunderkind, Michael Shrieve... probably a couple others I'm forgetting.
So let's talk top five drummers...
Mine:
Billy Cobham, Carl Palmer, Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell and Gene Krupa.
Honorable mention to one-time, Santana wunderkind, Michael Shrieve... probably a couple others I'm forgetting.
Always game to talk drummers....though the angry fans may not like it....Ill go with my favorites, because "best ever" just never works out...try it with QB's sometime to see what I mean ....hahaha.....and this stuffreally rages at my drum board, just like Johnny and Hoyer...
My main influences/favorites growing up were the standards...Got started with Ringo and obsessed over Bonham & Peart thru my youth.....But, now Steve Gadd is EASILY my favorite drummer.....by 500 miles.....and then some....
I loved watching the Krupa story when I was a kid....and have mad appreciation for Carl Palmer and Mitch Mitchell....strangely, I always enjoyed Santana and liked Shrieves playing at woodstock, but Graham Lear was always my favorite Santana drummer....fwiw
And.....GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cool... even if I had to Google Gadd.
Started a top 5 drummer thread in an Audio forum years ago. Moon and Mitchell were two I had overlooked. Just did not think of Mitchell "that way" and, brace yourself, never really noticed Moon that much. A fellow member's posts sent me back to my Jimi and Who collections for some serious review.
Moon was the shocker... never heard a drummer pack so much into songs with out intruding on the song. Later I watched a "Behind the Music" or some such on Keith. It was all about how Townsend tried and failed to reign in Moon until he realized that the way Keith stuffed a tune worked.
Billy is just my guy. I know all drummers are ambidextrous to some degree, but Cobham is totally so. Once saw a vid of him playing the same bit on mirror image kits. I've followed him from the relatively unknown group Dreams through John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra and into his solo work. His power, control and timing just blow me away.
Just wish JM's would do the same... Guess we're back to football now..."When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
OK-some perspective here on first game play, e.g. Aaron Rodgers: 8-15, 65 yards, 2 INT (2005). Should have traded him right away, obviously not NFL material.
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OK-some perspective here on first game play, e.g. Aaron Rodgers: 8-15, 65 yards, 2 INT (2005). Should have traded him right away, obviously not NFL material.
OK-some perspective here on first game play, e.g. Aaron Rodgers: 8-15, 65 yards, 2 INT (2005). Should have traded him right away, obviously not NFL material.
Wrongo. His first NFL pre-season game was 2 of 7. The stats you list are over the course of an entire pre-season.
edit: I apologize, his stats have him listed at 8-15 65 yards and ONE INT. That was from the near end of the 3rd QTr to the 4th.
Those stats are much more acceptable given his limited game time exposure. Money Badger couldn't help the offense put a single point on the board in a full 60 minutes.
double edit: Just want to clarify that was against the Ravens in a 45-3 blowout.
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Manziel sucked the pickle, I'm not defending him. But I'd like to start a discussion as to why Shanahan fundamentally changed the entire offense to a system that has shown consistently does NOT WORK in the NFL. Hey jackass, your boy toy RG3 got destroyed with the read-option, it's not any different now. Anyone care to join in on that?
Also, you don't lose like we did today because of one player. My opinion is the whole team expected Manziel to come out like Jesus and when he didn't it killed the whole game.
Manziel sucked the pickle, I'm not defending him. But I'd like to start a discussion as to why Shanahan fundamentally changed the entire offense to a system that has shown consistently does NOT WORK in the NFL. Hey jackass, your boy toy RG3 got destroyed with the read-option, it's not any different now. Anyone care to join in on that?
Also, you don't lose like we did today because of one player. My opinion is the whole team expected Manziel to come out like Jesus and when he didn't it killed the whole game.
You make a good point but to me what killed the whole game was the roughing penalty on Barkevious. It set them back on their heels and that was what Jeremy needed to run roughshod over them. What was it, 90+ yards in the first half? He'd hit holes and by the time we reacted he had 5 yards.
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Woo hoo. Tour de dick head has another anti JFF post.
LOL... man, you are a riot. Stop it you're killin' me... So effin' funny. So effin' clever. Can't believe you're posting gold like this for free...
Here's one for you... What's the difference between objectivity and bias?
LOL... man, you are a riot. Stop it you're killin' me... So effin' funny. So effin' clever. Can't believe you're posting gold like this for free...
Here's one for you... What's the difference between objectivity and bias?
You are a funny dude. you know he has over 11,000 posts and I'll bet 6,000 + mentions a penis in some way or another. I guess that is what I miss about living up north. All the gay slurs.
BTW, your drummer list forgot John Bonham (Zep) and his kid Jason is awesome. Saw him last summer with Heart in the Woodlands and they did a ton of Zep songs together. Ann Wilson did a number with them. Rolled my socks down!
Back to football.
Fine the entire offensive line a game's pay to wake them up. They sucked. I can't believe that A & M's offense line could play better against SEC defenses than we did yesterday.
To TEXAS AG - Does Matthews graduate this year? Nice to have a real center with the Matthews blood line back up until it is his turn to start. One who can block nose tackles and can snap the ball when he's supposed to.
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LOL... man, you are a riot. Stop it you're killin' me... So effin' funny. So effin' clever. Can't believe you're posting gold like this for free...
Here's one for you... What's the difference between objectivity and bias?
You are a funny dude. you know he has over 11,000 posts and I'll bet 6,000 + mentions a penis in some way or another. I guess that is what I miss about living up north. All the gay slurs.
BTW, your drummer list forgot John Bonham (Zep) and his kid Jason is awesome. Saw him last summer with Heart in the Woodlands and they did a ton of Zep songs together. Ann Wilson did a number with them. Rolled my socks down!
Back to football.
Fine the entire offensive line a game's pay to wake them up. They sucked. I can't believe that A & M's offense line could play better against SEC defenses than we did yesterday.
To TEXAS AG - Does Matthews graduate this year? Nice to have a real center with the Matthews blood line back up until it is his turn to start. One who can block nose tackles and can snap the ball when he's supposed to.
You are a funny dude. you know he has over 11,000 posts and I'll bet 6,000 + mentions a penis in some way or another. I guess that is what I miss about living up north. All the gay slurs.
BTW, your drummer list forgot John Bonham (Zep) and his kid Jason is awesome. Saw him last summer with Heart in the Woodlands and they did a ton of Zep songs together. Ann Wilson did a number with them. Rolled my socks down!
Back to football.
Fine the entire offensive line a game's pay to wake them up. They sucked. I can't believe that A & M's offense line could play better against SEC defenses than we did yesterday.
To TEXAS AG - Does Matthews graduate this year? Nice to have a real center with the Matthews blood line back up until it is his turn to start. One who can block nose tackles and can snap the ball when he's supposed to.
Thanks... I'll be here all life.
DieHard's OK for a redneck, Parma boy and he's a HS Alumni... but you may be a tad low in your estimate. Anyway he's fun to play with.
I would not have to expand my list too far before a Bonham would pop up.
Haven't heard Ag'69 talk too much about Mike Mathews. He's been peddling the Ag's LT, Ogbuhi(?), since he arrived here. I like Mike, but Jake was something else.
FYI... I lived in LaPorte for about 33 years.
Go Browns...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The pass Hawkins dropped was nice.
Yes! THATS why we lost. Hawkins.
Yes! THATS why we lost. Hawkins.
Throw was late.
I don't see nearly as many Aggies fans here now.
Anyway, yesterday's performance was obviously NOT what anyone wanted from Johnny boy. I don't really think there are any excuses. Hoyer wouldn't have won the game either, the team as a whole did not have a good day. However I'm not using that as an excuse by any means. Late decisions, bad decisions, bad throws, you name it. He f$^%ed the goose, big time.
But it was his first NFL start. If he was on the Pats, I could hear all the Bostonians now screaming about how his career is over and they should trade him now. I don't think so, because he hasn't had a chance to get his feet wet with real NFL football. Now he knows what it's like to get your ass handed to you so I guess that's a good "Welcome to the NFL" message. Maybe the rest of this year he can just work on improving plays in real-game situations.
Nice take from the outside. Better get ready for more of the same JF, every defender in the NFL is going to be mocking you with the money sign when they do manage to kick your ass.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12028973&ex_cid=espnapi_public
The above clip is really going to get the Manzealots mad. I don't like Hodge either- and he's been wrong plenty of times. Called Manziel "a sixth round talent with first round hype".
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Manziel sucked the pickle, I'm not defending him. But I'd like to start a discussion as to why Shanahan fundamentally changed the entire offense to a system that has shown consistently does NOT WORK in the NFL. Hey jackass, your boy toy RG3 got destroyed with the read-option, it's not any different now. Anyone care to join in on that?
Also, you don't lose like we did today because of one player. My opinion is the whole team expected Manziel to come out like Jesus and when he didn't it killed the whole game.
You make a good point but to me what killed the whole game was the roughing penalty on Barkevious. It set them back on their heels and that was what Jeremy needed to run roughshod over them. What was it, 90+ yards in the first half? He'd hit holes and by the time we reacted he had 5 yards.
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You make a good point but to me what killed the whole game was the roughing penalty on Barkevious. It set them back on their heels and that was what Jeremy needed to run roughshod over them. What was it, 90+ yards in the first half? He'd hit holes and by the time we reacted he had 5 yards.
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Not sure I'd pin everything on one penalty. The entire defense, except Robertson and Screen, shit the bed.
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Yes! THATS why we lost. Hawkins.
Throw was late.
I don't see nearly as many Aggies fans here now.
Anyway, yesterday's performance was obviously NOT what anyone wanted from Johnny boy. I don't really think there are any excuses. Hoyer wouldn't have won the game either, the team as a whole did not have a good day. However I'm not using that as an excuse by any means. Late decisions, bad decisions, bad throws, you name it. He f$^%ed the goose, big time.
But it was his first NFL start. If he was on the Pats, I could hear all the Bostonians now screaming about how his career is over and they should trade him now. I don't think so, because he hasn't had a chance to get his feet wet with real NFL football. Now he knows what it's like to get your ass handed to you so I guess that's a good "Welcome to the NFL" message. Maybe the rest of this year he can just work on improving plays in real-game situations.
Nice take from the outside. Better get ready for more of the same JF, every defender in the NFL is going to be mocking you with the money sign when they do manage to kick your ass.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12028973&ex_cid=espnapi_public
The above clip is really going to get the Manzealots mad. I don't like Hodge either- and he's been wrong plenty of times. Called Manziel "a sixth round talent with first round hype".
Throw was late.
The above clip is really going to get the Manzealots mad. I don't like Hodge either- and he's been wrong plenty of times. Called Manziel "a sixth round talent with first round hype".
Yes, throw was late... and it was to wrong side, but... it still should have been caught.
As for Hodge, he was damn near magnanimous yesterday in his criticism. Simply said JM never developed the ability to read and react to D's in college and clearly still lacks that ability. Added that he's never seen a QB enter the NFL devoid of that ability, develop it OJT and have success.
Kinda chilling...
Not sure I'd pin everything on one penalty.
I am sure... I would not pin it all on that.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Johnny Football....I really feel bad for this kid. I've never in my life, seen the national media, pile on, and make a joke of any other particular athlete, for having a bad game. This could easily be his demise, before he ever gets started. I haven't been a big supporter of Manziel's, but would love to see him succeed. How the hell is it that there are so many of you idiots who say you're Browns fans, but are happy about the way JF played?? It will be a miracle if this kid can recover from this stuff. If I were Pettine, I wouldn't play him again, except in a back up role....if Hoyer gets hurt. We're not going anywhere this season, and we're obviously regressing, so what's the big deal?
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Throw was late.
The above clip is really going to get the Manzealots mad. I don't like Hodge either- and he's been wrong plenty of times. Called Manziel "a sixth round talent with first round hype".
Yes, throw was late... and it was to wrong side, but... it still should have been caught.
As for Hodge, he was damn near magnanimous yesterday in his criticism. Simply said JM never developed the ability to read and react to D's in college and clearly still lacks that ability. Added that he's never seen a QB enter the NFL devoid of that ability, develop it OJT and have success.
Kinda chilling...
Not sure I'd pin everything on one penalty.
I am sure... I would not pin it all on that.
Yes, throw was late... and it was to wrong side, but... it still should have been caught.
As for Hodge, he was damn near magnanimous yesterday in his criticism. Simply said JM never developed the ability to read and react to D's in college and clearly still lacks that ability. Added that he's never seen a QB enter the NFL devoid of that ability, develop it OJT and have success.
Kinda chilling...
I am sure... I would not pin it all on that.
See, that's the thing about rookie QBs that eventually find success in the NFL. Their mechanics are usually quite sound buy the time they're drafted. It's adjusting to the speed of the game and seeing the complex defenses you've never faced before that highlight the growing pains.
In Johnny's case, not only is it that - but struggling to maintain the fundamentals any good QB should practice. That makes the transition more difficult by five fold. Hoge is being kind when he says it's an uphill battle. The chances of Manziel becoming a quality NFL starter are about as good as mine starting at QB for Mount Union next week.
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Johnny Football....I really feel bad for this kid. I've never in my life, seen the national media, pile on, and make a joke of any other particular athlete, for having a bad game. This could easily be his demise, before he ever gets started. I haven't been a big supporter of Manziel's, but would love to see him succeed. How the hell is it that there are so many of you idiots who say you're Browns fans, but are happy about the way JF played?? It will be a miracle if this kid can recover from this stuff. If I were Pettine, I wouldn't play him again, except in a back up role....if Hoyer gets hurt. We're not going anywhere this season, and we're obviously regressing, so what's the big deal?
. How the hell is it that there are so many of you idiots who say you're Browns fans, but are happy about the way JF played??
Happy? Who's happy? I dont see one happy post....not one.
I do see some "I told ya so's" and "I knew this would happens"....but thats not happy....
And I see a LOT of people saying "Im disappointed" or "he looked horrible"...
But Happy?.....dont see it...
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Go, Mt. Union!
Go Browns...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You are a funny dude. you know he has over 11,000 posts and I'll bet 6,000 + mentions a penis in some way or another. I guess that is what I miss about living up north. All the gay slurs.
BTW, your drummer list forgot John Bonham (Zep) and his kid Jason is awesome. Saw him last summer with Heart in the Woodlands and they did a ton of Zep songs together. Ann Wilson did a number with them. Rolled my socks down!
Back to football.
Fine the entire offensive line a game's pay to wake them up. They sucked. I can't believe that A & M's offense line could play better against SEC defenses than we did yesterday.
To TEXAS AG - Does Matthews graduate this year? Nice to have a real center with the Matthews blood line back up until it is his turn to start. One who can block nose tackles and can snap the ball when he's supposed to.
Thanks... I'll be here all life.
DieHard's OK for a redneck, Parma boy and he's a HS Alumni... but you may be a tad low in your estimate. Anyway he's fun to play with.
I would not have to expand my list too far before a Bonham would pop up.
Haven't heard Ag'69 talk too much about Mike Mathews. He's been peddling the Ag's LT, Ogbuhi(?), since he arrived here. I like Mike, but Jake was something else.
FYI... I lived in LaPorte for about 33 years.
Go Browns...
Thanks... I'll be here all life.
DieHard's OK for a redneck, Parma boy and he's a HS Alumni... but you may be a tad low in your estimate. Anyway he's fun to play with.
I would not have to expand my list too far before a Bonham would pop up.
Haven't heard Ag'69 talk too much about Mike Mathews. He's been peddling the Ag's LT, Ogbuhi(?), since he arrived here. I like Mike, but Jake was something else.
FYI... I lived in LaPorte for about 33 years.
Go Browns...
I don't say anything I mean, or mean anything I say. I think.
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LOL... man, you are a riot. Stop it you're killin' me... So effin' funny. So effin' clever. Can't believe you're posting gold like this for free...
Here's one for you... What's the difference between objectivity and bias?
You are a funny dude. you know he has over 11,000 posts and I'll bet 6,000 + mentions a penis in some way or another. I guess that is what I miss about living up north. All the gay slurs.
BTW, your drummer list forgot John Bonham (Zep) and his kid Jason is awesome. Saw him last summer with Heart in the Woodlands and they did a ton of Zep songs together. Ann Wilson did a number with them. Rolled my socks down!
Back to football.
Fine the entire offensive line a game's pay to wake them up. They sucked. I can't believe that A & M's offense line could play better against SEC defenses than we did yesterday.
To TEXAS AG - Does Matthews graduate this year? Nice to have a real center with the Matthews blood line back up until it is his turn to start. One who can block nose tackles and can snap the ball when he's supposed to.
You are a funny dude. you know he has over 11,000 posts and I'll bet 6,000 + mentions a penis in some way or another. I guess that is what I miss about living up north. All the gay slurs.
BTW, your drummer list forgot John Bonham (Zep) and his kid Jason is awesome. Saw him last summer with Heart in the Woodlands and they did a ton of Zep songs together. Ann Wilson did a number with them. Rolled my socks down!
Back to football.
Fine the entire offensive line a game's pay to wake them up. They sucked. I can't believe that A & M's offense line could play better against SEC defenses than we did yesterday.
To TEXAS AG - Does Matthews graduate this year? Nice to have a real center with the Matthews blood line back up until it is his turn to start. One who can block nose tackles and can snap the ball when he's supposed to.
Calling someone a dick head is a gay slur? Is that why you moved down south?
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We've got seriously the worst fans ever. Myself included. We turn on people so goddamn quickly. I think this game showed Hoyer was far from failing on his own. That being said at least Johnny didn't throw everyone else under the bus at his post game presser.
We've got seriously the worst fans ever. Myself included. We turn on people so goddamn quickly. I think this game showed Hoyer was far from failing on his own. That being said at least Johnny didn't throw everyone else under the bus at his post game presser.
Man you said it all there! No fuckin' patience at all.
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agreed. what a joke, people turn on Johnny after one game where the rest of the team decided to play their worst game of the year.
Johnny still should be at fault for some things, but he didnt give up 260 yds rushing and 41 minutes of posession.
He still couldnt get much going, but had no help at all, literally none.
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Go, Mt. Union!
Go Browns...
I'll be in Salem Friday!!
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