Jonathan Paul Manziel
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You can have as little patience as you want. I doubt Johnny cares either way.
Cause he's got his $8 million contract and rich parents.I hope he doesn't flame out- but if he does- he'll be the biggest NFL overhyped bust since Brian Bosworth.
Any way you care to spin it- that was an epically bad first start. Even got a bunch of us more level headed guys sucked in based on the small sample size against the Bills. No longer.
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You can have as little patience as you want. I doubt Johnny cares either way.
Cause he's got his $8 million contract and rich parents.I hope he doesn't flame out- but if he does- he'll be the biggest NFL overhyped bust since Brian Bosworth.
Any way you care to spin it- that was an epically bad first start. Even got a bunch of us more level headed guys sucked in based on the small sample size against the Bills. No longer.
I don't think he proved much against the bills, if I'm being honest.Cause he's got his $8 million contract and rich parents.I hope he doesn't flame out- but if he does- he'll be the biggest NFL overhyped bust since Brian Bosworth.
Any way you care to spin it- that was an epically bad first start. Even got a bunch of us more level headed guys sucked in based on the small sample size against the Bills. No longer.
He missed reads there too and nearly threw a pick over hitting a wide open west.
Maybe somehow he settles down against Carolina and shows something, I just don't see it based on the way he played Sunday.
I like the excuses forum though. Seen people comparing it to the return of MJ and return of Lebron and their sub par performances due to overhype in other places. Funny stuff.
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I don't think he proved much against the bills, if I'm being honest.Cause he's got his $8 million contract and rich parents.I hope he doesn't flame out- but if he does- he'll be the biggest NFL overhyped bust since Brian Bosworth.
Any way you care to spin it- that was an epically bad first start. Even got a bunch of us more level headed guys sucked in based on the small sample size against the Bills. No longer.
He missed reads there too and nearly threw a pick over hitting a wide open west.
Maybe somehow he settles down against Carolina and shows something, I just don't see it based on the way he played Sunday.
I like the excuses forum though. Seen people comparing it to the return of MJ and return of Lebron and their sub par performances due to overhype in other places. Funny stuff.
I don't think he proved much against the bills, if I'm being honest.
He missed reads there too and nearly threw a pick over hitting a wide open west.
Maybe somehow he settles down against Carolina and shows something, I just don't see it based on the way he played Sunday.
I like the excuses forum though. Seen people comparing it to the return of MJ and return of Lebron and their sub par performances due to overhype in other places. Funny stuff.
Pains me to say be Hoge is right. He's got no skills that translate to the NFL and has negative tendencies that will just end up hurting the team (both on and off the field). Flush the turd.
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The gay cliche is you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but he's a fucking rookie. That said, watch the Walsh-Montana practice videos on YouTube. I hated the Niners as a kid, but looking back, their attention to detail is legendary. Best case scenario he ends up the next Joe Montana. Worst case, Tony Montana.
The gay cliche is you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but he's a fucking rookie. That said, watch the Walsh-Montana practice videos on YouTube. I hated the Niners as a kid, but looking back, their attention to detail is legendary. Best case scenario he ends up the next Joe Montana. Worst case, Tony Montana.
Its called muscle memory. The guys has gone his entire life as a qb playing one way. Unless you work on overcoming those instincts you have moulded, which takes a long time, you'll fall back to what you're acclimated to.
Tebow was supposed to get his windmill mechanics fixed. Hey it worked for two throws. When the game got heated he was back to wind milling passes.
Its just human nature.
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You could also direct some anger towards the team management who decided to bench Hoyer and bring in Manziel? But the JFF haters can't do that. Its all on JFF.
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The gay cliche is you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but he's a fucking rookie. That said, watch the Walsh-Montana practice videos on YouTube. I hated the Niners as a kid, but looking back, their attention to detail is legendary. Best case scenario he ends up the next Joe Montana. Worst case, Tony Montana.
Its called muscle memory. The guys has gone his entire life as a qb playing one way. Unless you work on overcoming those instincts you have moulded, which takes a long time, you'll fall back to what you're acclimated to.
Tebow was supposed to get his windmill mechanics fixed. Hey it worked for two throws. When the game got heated he was back to wind milling passes.
Its just human nature.
Yes but I don't think manziels mechanics are too bad. At least the upper body mechanics, lower body mechanics a different story. Momentum wrong way, footwork, etc). Obviously he looks good on pro day and what not, but that's not the same.Its called muscle memory. The guys has gone his entire life as a qb playing one way. Unless you work on overcoming those instincts you have moulded, which takes a long time, you'll fall back to what you're acclimated to.
Tebow was supposed to get his windmill mechanics fixed. Hey it worked for two throws. When the game got heated he was back to wind milling passes.
Its just human nature.
They all suffer under pressure, but that's expected.
Anyway tebows were/are much worse. Manziels are correctable, with time and practice. Most of manziels issues are self induced unnecessarily
Hoyer has pretty solid mechanics that only faultered due to his mind, and has an excellent release (high, fast, etc). He just suffered by sensing pressure that didn't exist and getting off balance. I think with more confidence in the blockers he'd be fine
not to sound like a cock slobber but my opinion is definitely to keep him around.The real argument for manziel was that he overcame some of his sloppy mechanics by his athleticism and intelligence, which is probably true but if you can't keep everything clean in a clean pocket you won't succeed in the NFL.
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You could also direct some anger towards the team management who decided to bench Hoyer and bring in Manziel? But the JFF haters can't do that. Its all on JFF.
You could also direct some anger towards the team management who decided to bench Hoyer and bring in Manziel? But the Hoyer haters can't do that. Its all on JFF.
Still don't think it was necessarily a bad choice to put manziel in. He got flack for doing it he would have gotten flack for not doing it. He's gonna play it out but I think we'll be more hopeful on manziel if he shows improvement against Carolina, and even more improvement against Baltimore.
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So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
We've heard plenty about Aikman and both Mannings etc etc and how they struggled in their first NFL starts.
Here's a list that is Manziels true comparisons at this point. This is the talent level that he's in at this point.
NFL QB's to be shut out in their first NFL start in the last 20 years:
2014 Johnny Manziel
2010 Rusty Smith (who??) Titans
2003 Dave Ragone (seriously who???) Texans
2002 Henry Burris (LOL) Bears
2000 Spergon Wynn (will always be able to say he was drafted ahead of Brady) Browns
1997 Danny Wuerffel (Heisman Winning College gimmick QB) Saints
So that's the company our first round draft pick is in and we're supposed to have patience for this clown?
Fuck him and his homo fagboy fans that have been showing up here since we drafted him.
We've heard plenty about Aikman and both Mannings etc etc and how they struggled in their first NFL starts.
Here's a list that is Manziels true comparisons at this point. This is the talent level that he's in at this point.
NFL QB's to be shut out in their first NFL start in the last 20 years:
2014 Johnny Manziel
2010 Rusty Smith (who??) Titans
2003 Dave Ragone (seriously who???) Texans
2002 Henry Burris (LOL) Bears
2000 Spergon Wynn (will always be able to say he was drafted ahead of Brady) Browns
1997 Danny Wuerffel (Heisman Winning College gimmick QB) Saints
So that's the company our first round draft pick is in and we're supposed to have patience for this clown?
Fuck him and his homo fagboy fans that have been showing up here since we drafted him.
Very selective-How about Aaron Rogers 8/15 65 yds and 2 interceptions? Yeah another fuck up who turned into a pumpkin.
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So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
The board hits record traffic and the servers crash with everybody trying to compare him to Joe Montana.
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So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
i got a six pack says he doesn't.
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So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
Hell I hope so. All the wind left my sails at the moment. Really not prepared to sustain another first round QB bust.
Manziel damn you don't be a bust.
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So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
Hell I hope so. All the wind left my sails at the moment. Really not prepared to sustain another first round QB bust.
Manziel damn you don't be a bust.
Hell I hope so. All the wind left my sails at the moment. Really not prepared to sustain another first round QB bust.
Manziel damn you don't be a bust.
there was a reason why a lot of former GMs said none of these over-hyped QBs shouldn't be selected until the 2nd round.
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So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
Hell I hope so. All the wind left my sails at the moment. Really not prepared to sustain another first round QB bust.
Manziel damn you don't be a bust.
Hell I hope so. All the wind left my sails at the moment. Really not prepared to sustain another first round QB bust.
Manziel damn you don't be a bust.
We should have traded him to jerrah when we had the chance.
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there was a reason why a lot of former GMs said none of these over-hyped QBs shouldn't be selected until the 2nd round.
Agreed. But with our situation, even 2nd or 3rd round picks that we are told is our next QB to be groomed...well I'm tired of those busts too. Just tired.
Damn it Hoyer why did you have to fall apart in the last month?
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We should have traded him to jerrah when we had the chance.
If the coaches/FO held him back this long because they knew he wasn't ready, and thought he wasn't going to be fixable...oh yeah.
If Jerrah would've picked him at #16 (I think it was), then who would we have today? Bridgewater? Eh..what does it matter. As ballpeen has repeated here...We Are Johnny Football. Sigh.
Do it Manziel. You don't have to win these last two games (it would be nice though), but please show us some signs of life.
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Yes but I don't think manziels mechanics are too bad. At least the upper body mechanics, lower body mechanics a different story. Momentum wrong way, footwork, etc). Obviously he looks good on pro day and what not, but that's not the same.Its called muscle memory. The guys has gone his entire life as a qb playing one way. Unless you work on overcoming those instincts you have moulded, which takes a long time, you'll fall back to what you're acclimated to.
Tebow was supposed to get his windmill mechanics fixed. Hey it worked for two throws. When the game got heated he was back to wind milling passes.
Its just human nature.
They all suffer under pressure, but that's expected.
Anyway tebows were/are much worse. Manziels are correctable, with time and practice. Most of manziels issues are self induced unnecessarily
Hoyer has pretty solid mechanics that only faultered due to his mind, and has an excellent release (high, fast, etc). He just suffered by sensing pressure that didn't exist and getting off balance. I think with more confidence in the blockers he'd be fine
not to sound like a cock slobber but my opinion is definitely to keep him around.The real argument for manziel was that he overcame some of his sloppy mechanics by his athleticism and intelligence, which is probably true but if you can't keep everything clean in a clean pocket you won't succeed in the NFL.
Yes but I don't think manziels mechanics are too bad. At least the upper body mechanics, lower body mechanics a different story. Momentum wrong way, footwork, etc). Obviously he looks good on pro day and what not, but that's not the same.
They all suffer under pressure, but that's expected.
Agree... JM's footwork was nearly flawless in his Buffalo appearance. It only faltered on two throws and both were due to pressure in his face.
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You can have as little patience as you want. I doubt Johnny cares either way.
Besides fame, I'm still looking for something Johnny does care about. Given that you're plugged in, can you help me out?
So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
Unless he also runs for 100... team win?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You can have as little patience as you want. I doubt Johnny cares either way.
Besides fame, I'm still looking for something Johnny does care about. Given that you're plugged in, can you help me out?
So if Manziel throws for 300 and 3 TDs against Carolina, what then?
Unless he also runs for 100... team win?
Besides fame, I'm still looking for something Johnny does care about. Given that you're plugged in, can you help me out?
Wait... "JFF haters" are blaming Johnny?
Unless he also runs for 100... team win?
Fixed.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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