Hoyer
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Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.
My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:
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Pathetic
Sophomoric
Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.
My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:
Nerdiest
Pathetic
Sophomoric
I'd add 'Gay'
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Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.
My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:
Nerdiest
Pathetic
Sophomoric
When the gaying gets tough, the forum turns to DieHard...
Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.
loyal
heartfelt
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.
My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:
Nerdiest
Pathetic
Sophomoric
Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.
My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:
Nerdiest
Pathetic
Sophomoric
Dont see any problem with it at all, nothin but the truth is all. Tired of just blowing through qb's year after year. This year we had pretty decent QB play, but instead of sticking with him and putting in the time and effort to help him get better, just toss em aside and move on to the next sacrificial lamb for Cleveland. Only this time the sacrifice will be televised coast to coast.
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It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
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It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
Yep pretty much, everyone has to have instant gratification and instant returns. Life isnt made in a microwave. I think the media is ruining it all.
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It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
Yep pretty much, everyone has to have instant gratification and instant returns. Life isnt made in a microwave. I think the media is ruining it all.
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When the gaying gets tough, the forum turns to DieHard...
Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.
loyal
heartfelt
When the gaying gets tough, the forum turns to DieHard...
loyal
heartfelt
Go study some more film grandpa. A comedian you ain't.
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Go study some more film grandpa. A comedian you ain't.
You ever put film in a microwave?
Yeah, me neither.
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It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck!
Great example...
Except that Bradshaw started game one his rookie year... also started game 2 thru 7...
Then was benched for nearly the last half of that year for poor play, limited to spot duty in garbage time...
Bradshaw's circumstances were far closer to Couch's than Johnny's... both were overall #1's that were immediately pressed into service on bad teams.
By contrast to either, our "patience" with JM has been unlimited.
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It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy.
Great example...Except that Bradshaw started game one his rookie year... Then was benched for poor play
Bradshaw's circumstances were far closer to Couch's than Johnny's... both were overall #1's that were immediately pressed into service on bad teams.
By contrast to either, our "patience" with JM has been unlimited.
The bigger difference is today Free Agency and rookie contracts prohibit "development" of higher draft picks.
Because of the rookie pay scale & CBA, we gotta pay high picks millions from day one(like they're already stars) and only have them for only a few years before they can leave....so....we should spend years and millions developing QB's for other teams?
No. Today, if you're picked early and you have the 8 million dollar contract, you are expected to perform. Right away.
Connor Shaw cost us nothing.....and get's paid nothing...so THAT is the type you "develop". And presumed SUPERSTARS are held to a higher standard and paid as such.
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It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.
That's damned right - hell, Fran Tarkenton didn't make the playoffs until what, his 12th season? He's in the Hall of Fame. Fast food football rebuilding doesn't work.
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It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy.
Great example...Except that Bradshaw started game one his rookie year... Then was benched for poor play
Bradshaw's circumstances were far closer to Couch's than Johnny's... both were overall #1's that were immediately pressed into service on bad teams.
By contrast to either, our "patience" with JM has been unlimited.
The bigger difference is today Free Agency and rookie contracts prohibit "development" of higher draft picks.
Because of the rookie pay scale & CBA, we gotta pay high picks millions from day one(like they're already stars) and only have them for only a few years before they can leave....so....we should spend years and millions developing QB's for other teams?
No. Today, if you're picked early and you have the 8 million dollar contract, you are expected to perform. Right away.
Connor Shaw cost us nothing.....and get's paid nothing...so THAT is the type you "develop". And presumed SUPERSTARS are held to a higher standard and paid as such.
Because of the rookie pay scale & CBA, we gotta pay high picks millions from day one(like they're already stars) and only have them for only a few years before they can leave....so....we should spend years and millions developing QB's for other teams?
No. Today, if you're picked early and you have the 8 million dollar contract, you are expected to perform. Right away.
Connor Shaw cost us nothing.....and get's paid nothing...so THAT is the type you "develop". And presumed SUPERSTARS are held to a higher standard and paid as such.
Not following you, Mud.
Thanks to the CBA top draft picks are cheaper now than they have been since the dawn of the AFL. $8 mill is cheap. Add that deals are usually for 3-5 years with maybe an option year and there is plenty of time to assess top QBs' potential.
The problem would seem to me to be bigger on the long-shots, the Shaw's. Sure their deals are cheap, but they are also short-term. Most of the time UDFAs are on one or two-year deals. They don't get much time and turnover at the lower end is high. They are disposable. Agree they are who you can develop, maybe even should, but it's harder now that under the old, essentially "lifetime" contracts of the past.
That's damned right - hell, Fran Tarkenton didn't make the playoffs until what, his 12th season? He's in the Hall of Fame. Fast food football rebuilding doesn't work.
Sir Francis was a good QB on a bad team, Day 1 in the league. He scrambled for his for most of his early career... not to run, but to buy time to pass.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Yep. Had people actually supported him instead of demanding Johnny Fruitcakes replace him after every play maybe he would have kept growing. This is Cleveland though, where anytime we find a guy with potential we go draft a media faggot with zero talent in the 1st round as his replacement instead of letting the guy develop.
Now i'm not saying Hoyer was the longterm answer, but we are talking about a ceiling around Tony Romo with Hoyer vs a ceiling of a lower I.Q., lazier, shorter and less Athletic Tim Tebow with Johnny Fruitcakes. Fucking insanity the Mob calls for the Fruitcake yet again and demands the Browns squelch the potential.
Ironically the same guys that are calling for one guy to get more time to develop are the same guys calling to shit can another guy after one bad start.
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Yes indeed they do. I hope JFF tears it up this week to shut them the fuck up.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Because of the rookie pay scale & CBA, we gotta pay high picks millions from day one(like they're already stars) and only have them for only a few years before they can leave....so....we should spend years and millions developing QB's for other teams?
No. Today, if you're picked early and you have the 8 million dollar contract, you are expected to perform. Right away.
Connor Shaw cost us nothing.....and get's paid nothing...so THAT is the type you "develop". And presumed SUPERSTARS are held to a higher standard and paid as such.
Not following you, Mud.
Thanks to the CBA top draft picks are cheaper now than they have been since the dawn of the AFL. $8 mill is cheap. Add that deals are usually for 3-5 years with maybe an option year and there is plenty of time to assess top QBs' potential.
The problem would seem to me to be bigger on the long-shots, the Shaw's. Sure their deals are cheap, but they are also short-term. Most of the time UDFAs are on one or two-year deals. They don't get much time and turnover at the lower end is high. They are disposable. Agree they are who you can develop, maybe even should, but it's harder now that under the old, essentially "lifetime" contracts of the past.
That's damned right - hell, Fran Tarkenton didn't make the playoffs until what, his 12th season? He's in the Hall of Fame. Fast food football rebuilding doesn't work.
Sir Francis was a good QB on a bad team, Day 1 in the league. He scrambled for his for most of his early career... not to run, but to buy time to pass.
Not following you, Mud.
Thanks to the CBA top draft picks are cheaper now than they have been since the dawn of the AFL. $8 mill is cheap. Add that deals are usually for 3-5 years with maybe an option year and there is plenty of time to assess top QBs' potential.
OK....I was mistaken then....as I thought the max rookie contract was 4 years(dunno why) and figured if you burned the first 2 or 3 years developing them, then they could end up playing one year and then bolting as soon as they become something good....
I think maybe Im confusing B ball with football a bit.....
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@junkyard-dawg said:
One earned it and has potential. The other hasn't earned shit and has less potential than Brady fucking Quinn.
Dude you're out of your mind.
WSS
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@junkyard-dawg said:
I'm not the one calling for the guy with Seneca Wallace's height, Colt McCoy's arm and Ryan Leafs work ethic to "get more time" and "be our starter."
I don't necessarily agree with how hardcore you've given up on him, but I did want to point out that I prefer the Seneca Wallace comparison more than the Russell Wilson one, fits better at this point
What I mean is, it isn't fair to give up on him this early. I am very doubtful he succeeds much though. But we can still work on developing him without altering our decisions at all. Pick the guy who can win, if you really love a rookie coming out or FA take them. Unlike some of the aggie airheads on here have said, being a 1st round pick doesn't guarantee you anything.
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I wouldn't compare Johnny M. to Russel Wilson and quite honestly it baffles me that I keep hearing people everywhere making that comparison. Totally different player.
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^ I don't get that either. Wilson is a thousand times more mature, played four years in college, and came from a pro style offense. Wilson never looks to run immediately. He know how to read the D and get through his progressions before escaping the pocket. He only runs when he HAS to run. Has a much, much better feel for the pocket, which wouldn't be difficult since JFF seems to have zero feel for it.
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