Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Sorry we hurt his feelings. We ain't quit on him we support the guy, but what do you expect after a historically bad rookie debut? All hugs and kisses? Dudes got 2 more games to prove he'll be worth betting on next year - if not he's likely to go into camp as the backup, again.
You and a few others keep repeating this, but there is no evidence that is realistic. 1st round qbs don't get just 3 games- never have. A lot of people in here are going to be a lot of pissed off I suspect when the three qbs on the roster going into opening day next year are JF, shaw, and some 1 million dollar journeyman signed in fa(think a poor mans Jason Campbell type). That's simply the way things work.
You and a few others keep repeating this, but there is no evidence that is realistic. 1st round qbs don't get just 3 games- never have.
unless they show they have no idea, no nfl accumen, no glimpse of even looking like they belong on the same field as other NFL players.
hell, mcoy looked better coming in against a pittsburgh team as a rookie wanting to kill him.
and look where he's at.
and ag1969...sorry man. you're stand up but unless this kid shows us SOMETHING in the next 2 games you're welcome to have him in any TX team (even the broncos you had mentioned before).
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Sorry we hurt his feelings. We ain't quit on him we support the guy, but what do you expect after a historically bad rookie debut? All hugs and kisses? Dudes got 2 more games to prove he'll be worth betting on next year - if not he's likely to go into camp as the backup, again.
You and a few others keep repeating this, but there is no evidence that is realistic. 1st round qbs don't get just 3 games- never have. A lot of people in here are going to be a lot of pissed off I suspect when the three qbs on the roster going into opening day next year are JF, shaw, and some 1 million dollar journeyman signed in fa(think a poor mans Jason Campbell type). That's simply the way things work.
I didn't say he'd only get 3 games to prove himself - he's only 22. But why would sucking monster cock for 3 games guarantee him anything for 2015? Because he's Johnny Manziel? Because he was a first round pick?You and a few others keep repeating this, but there is no evidence that is realistic. 1st round qbs don't get just 3 games- never have. A lot of people in here are going to be a lot of pissed off I suspect when the three qbs on the roster going into opening day next year are JF, shaw, and some 1 million dollar journeyman signed in fa(think a poor mans Jason Campbell type). That's simply the way things work.
Obviously if he doesn't suck these last 2 it's a different story, but if I was the worst person at my job would they promote me?
Are you a brick wall by chance? Because that's what it feels like I'm talking to.
Our current sample size from pre season to last Sunday is a shitty QB. That's what we've seen, that's what the evaluations are going to be.
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Comparison Shmarison,
All I know is this
THERE WAS NOT ONE THING I SAW FROM JF THAT EVEN REMOTELY LOOKED LIKE AN NFL QUARTERBACK!!
Even all the other rookies like Carr, Bongwater, etc etc at least look like a NFL QUARTERBACK.
JF looked completely outclassed. I hope and pray it was a fluke, but I dont think it is.
The secret is, no one wants to play hard for that jackwad, plain and simple.
Comparison Shmarison,All I know is this
THERE WAS NOT ONE THING I SAW FROM JF THAT EVEN REMOTELY LOOKED LIKE AN NFL QUARTERBACK!!
Even all the other rookies like Carr, Bongwater, etc etc at least look like a NFL QUARTERBACK.
JF looked completely outclassed. I hope and pray it was a fluke, but I dont think it is.
The secret is, no one wants to play hard for that jackwad, plain and simple.
A nod for using "Bongwater!" hahahahahahahahah
I wonder what Ryan Lief's first start looked like? Channeling Google ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha, kiss my ass, he won his first two starts, but went on to fail in the NFL and in life...................
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Johnny Manziel is not a NFL quarterback.
He'll have the next 18 starts of Cleveland to prove that analysis incorrect.
But: The early returns are not good.
I know: He studies hard now. He is the first in and last out. He has the locker room support.
He may be good enough for Texas A&M, but he's not good enough for the NFL.
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I didn't say he'd only get 3 games to prove himself - he's only 22. But why would sucking monster cock for 3 games guarantee him anything for 2015? Because he's Johnny Manziel? Because he was a first round pick?You and a few others keep repeating this, but there is no evidence that is realistic. 1st round qbs don't get just 3 games- never have. A lot of people in here are going to be a lot of pissed off I suspect when the three qbs on the roster going into opening day next year are JF, shaw, and some 1 million dollar journeyman signed in fa(think a poor mans Jason Campbell type). That's simply the way things work.
Obviously if he doesn't suck these last 2 it's a different story, but if I was the worst person at my job would they promote me?
Are you a brick wall by chance? Because that's what it feels like I'm talking to.
Our current sample size from pre season to last Sunday is a shitty QB. That's what we've seen, that's what the evaluations are going to be.
I didn't say he'd only get 3 games to prove himself - he's only 22. But why would sucking monster cock for 3 games guarantee him anything for 2015? Because he's Johnny Manziel? Because he was a first round pick?
Obviously if he doesn't suck these last 2 it's a different story, but if I was the worst person at my job would they promote me?
Are you a brick wall by chance? Because that's what it feels like I'm talking to.
Our current sample size from pre season to last Sunday is a shitty QB. That's what we've seen, that's what the evaluations are going to be.
He's guaranteed something for 2015 because he is their first round pick at qb. Plenty of first round picks at qb suck for a few starts and in almost all cases they get many more- because they are first round qb picks. And yes the evaluation based on the data so far is that he played bad- but given that he's a first round qb pick the evaluation is still in the incredibly early stages.
This board doesn't want to hear this - but first 22 yo 1st round qbs are treated differently in these situations than undrafted fas, or older qbs, or journeyman qbs
I mean Jesus.....in the history of first round qbs over the last two decades the evidence is clear that almost all, no matter how much they suck, get a decent amount of starts. JF, as all the ant JF posters, are so quick to point out, isn't special....and he likely isn't special in that regard either.
Brady Quinn is pretty much the only guy I can think of who really never got a consistent stretch, but even he got 4-5x as long eventually as some of you are acting like manziel will get. And for every 1 Quinn there are 30 Patrick Ramsey's(basically sucked as bad as JF did in 1 game for 0over 20 games)
And the most ridiculous angle to this is the hoyer angle - hoyer isn't going to be here next year. Don't you guys read espn and all the other sources? All these ridiculous scenarios whereby hoyer sticks around and challenges JF for the job again next year are silly. Nobody( not the browns and not hoyer) want to see that again.
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Johnny Manziel is not a NFL quarterback.
He'll have the next 18 starts of Cleveland to prove that analysis incorrect.
But: The early returns are not good.
I know: He studies hard now. He is the first in and last out. He has the locker room support.
He may be good enough for Texas A&M, but he's not good enough for the NFL.
Johnny Manziel is not a NFL quarterback.
He'll have the next 18 starts of Cleveland to prove that analysis incorrect.
But: The early returns are not good.
I know: He studies hard now. He is the first in and last out. He has the locker room support.
He may be good enough for Texas A&M, but he's not good enough for the NFL.
At least I can respect this as an honest stance, even if I disagree with it.
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Dogpound is earning it's reputation this week. Dogpiling on a rookie for his first game. How proud you all must be. Bernie was right. Just trade him off somewhere and bring in another to trash out.
Dogpound is earning it's reputation this week. Dogpiling on a rookie for his first game. How proud you all must be. Bernie was right. Just trade him off somewhere and bring in another to trash out.
Trust me, if the Browns could have traded him - I'd be in front of the stadium starting a picket lining demanding it to be done.
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The only reason you "disagree" is because you can't be objective.
There are ZERO positives from his performance.
I don't care how many babies he slapped at Texas College Of Tractor Supply.. because it doesn't matter.
If you think whimsical obeisance matters, name one positive thing from Manziel's performance.
One.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
still got that six pack....
must be tough for all you touters of "we shoulda picked" see all those suckas do squadoosh and all those lovers of these "great QB class" to look entirely HS varsity squad.
keep on picking them and we'll keep on turning on you.
thank god we have farmer and not some disjointed african american studies major telling us how the team should be built.
oh, and where is playgroundlegend?
still got that six pack....
must be tough for all you touters of "we shoulda picked" see all those suckas do squadoosh and all those lovers of these "great QB class" to look entirely HS varsity squad.
keep on picking them and we'll keep on turning on you.
thank god we have farmer and not some disjointed african american studies major telling us how the team should be built.
oh, and where is playgroundlegend?
He over on the Barking Tard spewing his shit like he's some retired NFL coach. Breaking plays down like he actually knows wtf he's talking about.
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The only reason you "disagree" is because you can't be objective.
There are ZERO positives from his performance.
I don't care how many babies he slapped at Texas College Of Tractor Supply.. because it doesn't matter.
If you think whimsical obeisance matters, name one positive thing from Manziel's performance.
One.
The only reason you "disagree" is because you can't be objective.
There are ZERO positives from his performance.
I don't care how many babies he slapped at Texas College Of Tractor Supply.. because it doesn't matter.
If you think whimsical obeisance matters, name one positive thing from Manziel's performance.
One.
It's funny, because all I can seem to remember after his Buffalo performance was hope.
But it seems like everyone forgot that.
I guess one game is enough to judge. Trade him, he's garbage.
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I tried to tell people that the one good drive against Buffalo was against a soft defense that had not game planned him. The starting defensive line was on the sidelines. And he still made bad reads and was fortunate he wasn't intercepted. The next drive with the starters back in and going back to their normal attacking defense, they easily created a sack fumble into the end zone. How that got overturned, I do not know. It was not a forward pass. He went 4 and out. I was summarily dismissed and told to drink my helping of kool aid because it was a thing of brilliance that he came off the bench cold.
I don't know what anyone thinks he's going to do about his horrific mechanics in a week that he apparently hasn't bothered to correct all season.
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I didn't say he'd only get 3 games to prove himself - he's only 22. But why would sucking monster cock for 3 games guarantee him anything for 2015? Because he's Johnny Manziel? Because he was a first round pick?
Obviously if he doesn't suck these last 2 it's a different story, but if I was the worst person at my job would they promote me?
Are you a brick wall by chance? Because that's what it feels like I'm talking to.
Our current sample size from pre season to last Sunday is a shitty QB. That's what we've seen, that's what the evaluations are going to be.
He's guaranteed something for 2015 because he is their first round pick at qb. Plenty of first round picks at qb suck for a few starts and in almost all cases they get many more- because they are first round qb picks. And yes the evaluation based on the data so far is that he played bad- but given that he's a first round qb pick the evaluation is still in the incredibly early stages.
This board doesn't want to hear this - but first 22 yo 1st round qbs are treated differently in these situations than undrafted fas, or older qbs, or journeyman qbs
I mean Jesus.....in the history of first round qbs over the last two decades the evidence is clear that almost all, no matter how much they suck, get a decent amount of starts. JF, as all the ant JF posters, are so quick to point out, isn't special....and he likely isn't special in that regard either.
Brady Quinn is pretty much the only guy I can think of who really never got a consistent stretch, but even he got 4-5x as long eventually as some of you are acting like manziel will get. And for every 1 Quinn there are 30 Patrick Ramsey's(basically sucked as bad as JF did in 1 game for 0over 20 games)
And the most ridiculous angle to this is the hoyer angle - hoyer isn't going to be here next year. Don't you guys read espn and all the other sources? All these ridiculous scenarios whereby hoyer sticks around and challenges JF for the job again next year are silly. Nobody( not the browns and not hoyer) want to see that again.
I didn't read anything else you wrote because this is just a Retarded statement, I'm sure the rest was just as dumb.He's guaranteed something for 2015 because he is their first round pick at qb. er 20 games)
If he doesn't earn it this Sunday and next, he isn't being guaranteed shit for 2015. Even if he plays average or above average or shows some signs of NFL competency he won't be handed the gig.
Justin Gilbert was 8th overall and he got outperformed by the UDFA Williams. So you know what happened? He got put on the bench. But in 2015 gilbert is guaranteed to start by your logic regardless of performance because he was drafted in the 1st round? Or is it just different for QBs, or specifically for Manziel?
If it turns out that manziel sucks these last 2, why would he start over the guy who hasn't sucked complete balls?
I know you love johnny and are probably writing from your iPad in bed staring at a home made manziel fathead in a speedo that sits above your bed, but don't you think he should earn the start, not just be gift wrapped it?
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I didn't read anything else you wrote because this is just a Retarded statement, I'm sure the rest was just as dumb.He's guaranteed something for 2015 because he is their first round pick at qb. er 20 games)
If he doesn't earn it this Sunday and next, he isn't being guaranteed shit for 2015. Even if he plays average or above average or shows some signs of NFL competency he won't be handed the gig.
Justin Gilbert was 8th overall and he got outperformed by the UDFA Williams. So you know what happened? He got put on the bench. But in 2015 gilbert is guaranteed to start by your logic regardless of performance because he was drafted in the 1st round? Or is it just different for QBs, or specifically for Manziel?
If it turns out that manziel sucks these last 2, why would he start over the guy who hasn't sucked complete balls?
I know you love johnny and are probably writing from your iPad in bed staring at a home made manziel fathead in a speedo that sits above your bed, but don't you think he should earn the start, not just be gift wrapped it?
I didn't read anything else you wrote because this is just a Retarded statement, I'm sure the rest was just as dumb.
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That's too bad because I did read your whole post, and the part of my post you didn't read addresses all the issues you raise.
A ton of history with these situations(as well as what the browns situation at qb will be next season) makes it pretty clear JF is the starter next year.
Qb is not cornerback or any other position. You don't neccessarily start the guy who is best for the job at that particular minute. You have to take a big picture approach.
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K, lol
If you weren't such a Johnny fan you'd be a little more objective in your thoughts.
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I'm the one who post after post in various threads has gone over all the first round qbs in the past who suck in their first several starts and get gobs more starts...that's pretty objective. Much more objective than just declaring JF has 2-3 starts to show something or else.....when there is no basis for that.
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I agree that Hoyer won't be around next year - I just don't see that happening. I think all focus will go into making JM into an NFL QB and he'll probably have the first two games next year to prove his mettle. So let's say he's a bust? Oh, well, someone took a risk on a potential game changing QB and it didn't work. The FO are going to have to prepare for that in the off season with a veteran signing and Shaw (who I still think is the real gem here). I feel bad for Pettine et al, as this was a Hazlam pick and he should have stayed out of those decisions. But the team won at least 7 games w/o pro bowlers, a franchise QB and other key players, and that it my books is a huge improvement. Stay the course and we could see a wild card next year with a few more pieces and another year of preparation. There is so much to love about the Browns and the right QB will land or develop here soon. Stay positive, supportive, and be patient. Rome was not built in a day.
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But last week wasn't a team loss?
I agree the defense played as bad as Manziel.
Dogpound is earning it's reputation this week. Dogpiling on a rookie for his first game. How proud you all must be. Bernie was right. Just trade him off somewhere and bring in another to trash out.
You're the reasonable one Ag. I'm not saying shit-can JF and bring in someone else after one game. But the guys piling on are right- that was epically, horribly bad. Manziel looked totally lost out there- and his grand total of THREE offensive first downs (penalties don't count)- unless you want to count the one Malaluga got for laughing in Manziel's face he was playing so poorly, prove it. It was so bad, we were actually laughing at his performance during the game- and drinking heavily- as we knew the Browns playoff hopes were being flushed down the toilet.
You and a few others keep repeating this, but there is no evidence that is realistic. 1st round qbs don't get just 3 games- never have. A lot of people in here are going to be a lot of pissed off I suspect when the three qbs on the roster going into opening day next year are JF, shaw, and some 1 million dollar journeyman signed in fa(think a poor mans Jason Campbell type). That's simply the way things work.
Manziel will get a chance next year- but if he totally takes a dump on the field the last two games, don't be shocked if the Browns take another quarterback in the draft in 2015, or pick up a starter good enough to challenge him- and not Jay Cutler either. Let me refresh your memory that pre-draft, JFF was considered to not only have the highest potential- he also was thought to have the lowest floor. Pettine, Farmer, and Shanahan will have enough tape on Manziel to see if the mistakes he's making are correctable. Farmer, when he drafted Manziel- was playing with house money- it was a bonus pick he felt he could roll the dice on- but him and Pettine have zero compunction to not admit they made a mistake- as Mike has said- "it's a bottom line business"- perform, or you're gone. Just ask Ben Tate and Billy Cundiff.
Finally Taco if you don't want to believe me- this is Brian Billick's take-
"Now, Pettine and his staff face an unenviable task: They have just two games to determine whether or not to put the offense -- and likely, their jobs -- in the hands of Manziel going forward in 2015. And if not, they'll have to tell Browns fans, once again, that their answer at the quarterback position -- and consequently, the key to organizational success -- lies elsewhere, perhaps in yet another first-round pick."
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If JF does eventually fail for the browns(big if of course), Pettine is very unlikely to survive that
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If JF does eventually fail for the browns(big if of course), Pettine is very unlikely to survive that
If JF does eventually fail for the browns(big if of course), Pettine is very unlikely to survive that
man are you that fucking dumb?
pettine didn't want the guy in the first place (nor did farmer if you ask me). this was an owner pick all the way. hell, i believe pettine didn't want to start him last week. he knew he wasn't ready but the higher ups need to know if the kid can play.
is haslam going to fire himself?
doubt it!
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when i seen thread title i was expecting this
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