Connor Shaw
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No.
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Yes. I love qb carosels and rotating qbs at least once a year.
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No
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No. Come on folks you're already giving up on a guy after one game? Especially a game where absolutely no one showed up? Worst fans ever.
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We'd have to hear more about Shaw's progress from the staff. We don't know where he is.
He's athletic,smart and rocked SC, but dink and dunk stuff, average arm, etc. He has the tools to be a good NFL QB, but there's a lot to develop which is why he went undrafted.
I have to say if Manziel shits the bed in an absolutely incredible fashion on Sunday (and I mean incredible, as in worse than bad - Daltonesque against us in game 1) then we'll probably go back to Hoyer week 17 over Shaw.
Hoyer is a guy we need to make a decision on in the off season, we still have Johnny and Shaw regardless. No reason to tryout another guy in week 17.
But again, I think we're fully committed to Johnny to finish these last 2 unless he gets hurt or shits the bed in an absolutely incredible fashion Sunday (which I don't expect, Panthers are a middle of the road defense) - then it's Brian not Shaw.
Let's groom Connor the old fashioned way, maybe it works out (I do remember his hail Mary TD in the pre season :-P).
I think Shaws potential ceiling is Alex Smith, athletic, smart, non-gunslinger). Maybe even a more athletic Brian. But he ain't there yet let's chill out peeps.
We'd have to hear more about Shaw's progress from the staff. We don't know where he is.
He's athletic,smart and rocked SC, but dink and dunk stuff, average arm, etc. He has the tools to be a good NFL QB, but there's a lot to develop which is why he went undrafted.
First, given that "the Staff said JM was "ready" do we really need their opinion to form ours?
Second, Dink and dunk sounds very West-Coastish to me, but I remember at least one pre-season, Shaw bomb. Hail Mary, maybe.
I cant see him playing this year either. We have to let JFF work through some adjustments and see how he responds.
I don't see why not. I certainly would not dismiss giving Shaw a look out of hand. Only thing is that I believe it would take a roster move to activate Shaw.
Funny I looked up an old draft profile of Hoyer and it said a lot of what we've seen :-P. Inconsistent, foot work issues. I think he may have improved the foot work issues but regressed to old habits for whatever reason. Playing more scared since Mack went down maybe.
Interesting angle...
I think reversion to old habits, to old "form" is almost always pressure induced. Hoyer held form after Mack went down for a while. As I remember events (not all that trustworthy) Brian started having more issues after the whole "BH won't stay, if JM is here" report. And there was even more "stuff" after that.
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When?
This Sunday? No.
Week 17? Maybe.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
When?
This Sunday? No.
Week 17? Maybe.
It would really really surprise me. A lot
No matter how JFF plays.
Imagine what it says if they pulled Johnny after 2 games? Would they risk all that hooplah and craziness for a one game peek at Shaw? You think? Really?
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No. Give Manziel the last few games. I just hope we end up seeing some sort of break through in his play.
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I am curious about how he's developing. I think his chances of being in the league five years from now are a lot better than Manziel.
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It would really really surprise me. A lot
No matter how JFF plays.
Imagine what it says if they pulled Johnny after 2 games? Would they risk all that hooplah and craziness for a one game peek at Shaw? You think? Really?
It could be as simple as saying we want to give Connor some work. And fuck the hoopla... if this team is going to be run by mob rule, it will never amount to anything.
IF JM takes a pummeling at CAR even close to what he took vs. CIN, I would sit him and say "better luck next year, son, and by luck I mean work your ass off." Lay the poor performances on him or lay it on the other 52 men on the roster... whatever, but if you think Johnny-boy could possibly be damaged more by sitting at BLT than by a suckage trifecta, then we'll just have to disagree.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
It would really really surprise me. A lot
No matter how JFF plays.
Imagine what it says if they pulled Johnny after 2 games? Would they risk all that hooplah and craziness for a one game peek at Shaw? You think? Really?
It could be as simple as saying we want to give Connor some work. And fuck the hoopla... if this team is going to be run by mob rule, it will never amount to anything.
IF JM takes a pummeling at CAR even close to what he took vs. CIN, I would sit him and say "better luck next year, son, and by luck I mean work your ass off." Lay the poor performances on him or lay it on the other 52 men on the roster... whatever, but if you think Johnny-boy could possibly be damaged more by sitting at BLT than by a suckage trifecta, then we'll just have to disagree.
fuck the hoopla... if this team is going to be run by mob rule, it will never amount to anything.
IF JM takes a pummeling at CAR even close to what he took vs. CIN, I would sit him and say "better luck next year, son, and by luck I mean work your ass off." .
Ok...I guess the noise really can't get any louder, can it?
And if JFF looks just as bad this week (is that even possible?????), then ok, why not?
As an aside, I just listened to his pressy and he said all the right things. Except he kept referencing "college" like all his fans do and I noticed he kept changing his words.....I think he is being coached NOT to mention college anymore.....
Like.... "Back at A & M...er....I mean, in the past, Ive had some bad games, but blah blah bah
or.... "When I was in college, er, um, I mean, prior to this weeks game, I blah blah blah....
I could be wrong, but thats how it sounded to me
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Considering Pettine's leash on players (cutting Tate, making West inactive, and not putting in Manziel until forced by Hoyer) we know that Shaw can't be even close to a competent NFL QB at this juncture in his career. I think that his unwillingness to go to Manziel earlier proves that he knows what he is doing, not trying to bad mouth Johnny but he did have a rather unspectacular first start.
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fuck the hoopla... if this team is going to be run by mob rule, it will never amount to anything.
IF JM takes a pummeling at CAR even close to what he took vs. CIN, I would sit him and say "better luck next year, son, and by luck I mean work your ass off." .
Ok...I guess the noise really can't get any louder, can it?
And if JFF looks just as bad this week (is that even possible?????), then ok, why not?
As an aside, I just listened to his pressy and he said all the right things. Except he kept referencing "college" like all his fans do and I noticed he kept changing his words.....I think he is being coached NOT to mention college anymore.....
Like.... "Back at A & M...er....I mean, in the past, Ive had some bad games, but blah blah bah
or.... "When I was in college, er, um, I mean, prior to this weeks game, I blah blah blah....
I could be wrong, but thats how it sounded to me
Ok...I guess the noise really can't get any louder, can it?
And if JFF looks just as bad this week (is that even possible?????), then ok, why not?
As an aside, I just listened to his pressy and he said all the right things. Except he kept referencing "college" like all his fans do and I noticed he kept changing his words.....I think he is being coached NOT to mention college anymore.....
Like.... "Back at A & M...er....I mean, in the past, Ive had some bad games, but blah blah bah
or.... "When I was in college, er, um, I mean, prior to this weeks game, I blah blah blah....
I could be wrong, but thats how it sounded to me
Well you have to remember he should still be in college. He is a kid. Going to take awhile to get that out of his system. Time to man up and prove his worth or get out of dodge.
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If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too.
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If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too.
If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too.
Sounds familiar.
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If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too.
If you watch the few plays Johnny had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for two years at A & M. When Johnny takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too.
Sounds familiar.
I fixed it
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If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too.
If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too.
Hey now we got Gamecocks to go along with the Aggies
Maybe we should make a thread Shaw vs Manziel and restrict it to the SC guys and the ATM guys.
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Resigning Hoyer isn't an option. I think he's gone unless there's an under the table agreement to hand him the starting job for 2015.
Do we want that agreement??
I think we are in trouble at the QB spot for a while.
Do we want that agreement??
I think we are in trouble at the QB spot for a while.
hoyer was above average and led us to 7 wins this year. the competition read the book on him and with the loss of mack ergo the loss of the running game has led to our qbs getting bum rushed like people looting stores after a controversial ruling.
hopefully manziel looks better this week but if he still looks like shit the last 2 games i betcha they offer hoyer something. it's whether he accepts is the question.
slim pickings for FA QBs coming out, so if farmer decides to draft another QB it will prob be in the later rounds looking for a gem, cuz god knows there are some serious holes to plug on the lines.
oh but to answer the original question, i wouldn't start shaw. why ruin 2 rookies in 3 weeks?
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You are right bbedward, we have no business posting here and I will let this be my last. I did not intend a Shaw vs Manziel comment. If Shaw has the stuff to make it in the pros, there's a coach somewhere that will give him the chance.
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You are right bbedward, we have no business posting here and I will let this be my last. I did not intend a Shaw vs Manziel comment. If Shaw has the stuff to make it in the pros, there's a coach somewhere that will give him the chance.
You are right bbedward, we have no business posting here and I will let this be my last. I did not intend a Shaw vs Manziel comment. If Shaw has the stuff to make it in the pros, there's a coach somewhere that will give him the chance.
No reason to leave... it's just we've heard so much, so similar to your Connor post about "Johnny-kins" that we are very, very weary.
Shaw did nothing of note in pre-season. Played OK against scrubs... did not come out onto the field with his jock on over his pants... that's about it.
Not saying he can't develop... or even that he hasn't in the past 4 months. No idea...
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