Hoyer
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I'd like to thank Tour for highlighting that play. It was one I mentioned in this thread (or perhaps another?) last Tuesday. That "highlight" is the poorest example of one I've ever seen. 1st bad decision, as Tour put it - was not to throw to the open boundary bubble screen. 2nd terrible decision was jumping headlong into a pile of defenders. It is nothing more than shear luck he was able to get out of that mess.
College has no bearing on the nfl
It doesn't? How do you explain the NFL front office process of selecting draft picks then?
I'd like to thank Tour for highlighting that play.
It doesn't? How do you explain the NFL front office process of selecting draft picks then?
You're welcome...
I may know where Kid is coming from... Might be a sarcastic post as the argument has been made to the Manzealots that JM's college success is not necessarily translatable to the NFL.
Has set me to wondering: what is??? I may have to put on my Gipper mask.
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You're the guy making ridiculous statements. Unfounded and meaningless. That's all. You have no fucking idea how much potential the guy has.@junkyard-dawg said:
I'm not the one calling for the guy with Seneca Wallace's height, Colt McCoy's arm and Ryan Leafs work ethic to "get more time" and "be our starter."
Nobody, especially nobody on this board, does one way or the other.
I understand you are upset with the pick and with him but just saying stupid shit doesn't bolster your argument.
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Plus just an FYI Seneca Wallace and Russell Wilson are 5 feet 11 inches tall. Drew Brees is 6 feet tall, the same as Johnny Manziel. As if that means anything to you.
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Plus just an FYI Seneca Wallace and Russell Wilson are 5 feet 11 inches tall. Drew Brees is 6 feet tall, the same as Johnny Manziel. As if that means anything to you.
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Plus just an FYI Seneca Wallace and Russell Wilson are 5 feet 11 inches tall. Drew Brees is 6 feet tall, the same as Johnny Manziel. As if that means anything to you.
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I think that was the point. People always mention Wilson and Brees in reference to small QB comparisons, which is not accurate for Johnny - who is closer to Seneca Wallace at this point.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Its the same 10 or so posters. They have been spewing their uneducated garbage all week, nonstop. At some point you figured it would slow down. Its a 22 year old kid they have been attacking relentlessly. These posters need to grow up. Be an adult.
Anyone who has been a longtime fan of an NFL team should have learned the dangers of being an instant evaluator.
Ok. Let's not evaluate what he's done so far
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@everlastingxxx said:
Its the same 10 or so posters. They have been spewing their uneducated garbage all week, nonstop. At some point you figured it would slow down. Its a 22 year old kid they have been attacking relentlessly. These posters need to grow up. Be an adult.
Anyone who has been a longtime fan of an NFL team should have learned the dangers of being an instant evaluator.
I'd say most are evaluating him over the course of his college and now NFL career.
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I'd like to thank Tour for highlighting that play. It was one I mentioned in this thread (or perhaps another?) last Tuesday. That "highlight" is the poorest example of one I've ever seen. 1st bad decision, as Tour put it - was not to throw to the open boundary bubble screen. 2nd terrible decision was jumping headlong into a pile of defenders. It is nothing more than shear luck he was able to get out of that mess.
College has no bearing on the nfl
It doesn't? How do you explain the NFL front office process of selecting draft picks then?
I'd like to thank Tour for highlighting that play. It was one I mentioned in this thread (or perhaps another?) last Tuesday. That "highlight" is the poorest example of one I've ever seen. 1st bad decision, as Tour put it - was not to throw to the open boundary bubble screen. 2nd terrible decision was jumping headlong into a pile of defenders. It is nothing more than shear luck he was able to get out of that mess.
It doesn't? How do you explain the NFL front office process of selecting draft picks then?
If it did college superstars would be nfl superstars and guys like tom brady would be schlubs
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Not to wade in on Brady, but I would say that back up QB's tend to look GREAT when they play for a GREAT team.
So great teams execute well, which makes life much easier for a QB.
That doesn't mean Brady is great because he's on a great team.....but I do believe many of the "perceived greatest" QB's have benefitted from their great teams....a few that I think woulda been closer to average if they played for lesser teams include Simms, Aikman, Bradshaw and Montana....I think all these guys rankings have been inflated because they had great teams around them....
A few that "might" have been even greater, had they been on better teams include Marino, A. Manning & Cunningham
Imagine if Marino had the 49's team that Montana had......wow!
I know there's no way to know for sure on any of these guys.....just fun speculatin
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Remove Brady from New England and the Patriots system and he's Matt Cassel. Purely a System QB. Even he knows it, which is why he never bitches about small contracts and taking pay cuts.
I disagree. New England over the last 10 years has had one of the most diverse offensive structures in the league and Brady has been successful in everyone of them including
swapping offensive cordiaators multiple times.
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Plus just an FYI Seneca Wallace and Russell Wilson are 5 feet 11 inches tall. Drew Brees is 6 feet tall, the same as Johnny Manziel. As if that means anything to you.
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I think that was the point. People always mention Wilson and Brees in reference to small QB comparisons, which is not accurate for Johnny - who is closer to Seneca Wallace at this point.
Well wasn't my point. My point is the guy was talking a load of shit. I just further pointed out that his numbers were even wrong making his nonsense even more ridiculous.I think that was the point. People always mention Wilson and Brees in reference to small QB comparisons, which is not accurate for Johnny - who is closer to Seneca Wallace at this point.
WSS
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Junkyarddog need to quit taking PCP before posting.
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Hoyer has proven that he can be a good quarterback in the NFL. The offense has not been the same since pro bowl center Mack went out injured. The running game has suffered as well as the play of Hoyer since Mack has been out. I believe with an improved offensive line Hoyer will be back playing like he has shown he is capable of. I have little confidence in Manziel and I don't like all the celebrity status he has been receiving when he has not even proven he is capable of being an NFL quarterback. I can't pin the embarrasing loss to the Bengals solely on Manziel as that was a total team lack of effort.
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College statistics Johnny Manziel's college statistics[37] Year Team Pass Attempts Pass Completions Completion % Pass Yards Pass TDs INT Passer Rating Rush Attempts Rush Yards Rush Avg Rush TDs 2011 Redshirt 2012 Texas A&M 434 295 68.0% 3,706 26 9 155.3 201 1,410 7.0 21 2013 Texas A&M 429 300 69.9% 4,114 37 13 172.9 144 759 5.3 9 Total 863 595 68.9% 7,820 63 22 164.1 345 2,169 6.3 30
For the idiot who says he knows his college career. Notice that passer rating changing (155.3 to 172.9) AFTER the Heisman and those yards running cut almost in half as well as less than half the running TD's.
Do you have any inkling why that is?
Let me clue you in. He spent the whole off season doing everything he could to learn how to become a pocket passer because he knew he needed that for the NFL. He worked his ass off and became the leading pass %age QB in the nation his second year.
So-you know shit about his college career.
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Facts? What factss?@junkyard-dawg said:
Yet you attack the messenger and not the message. Of course, cause you can't refute the facts and you know it.
I don't attack you personally just the stupid baseless shit you spew.
I've never met you, for all I know you are the one of the nicest spewers of baseless shit in the world.
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College statistics Johnny Manziel's college statistics[37] Year Team Pass Attempts Pass Completions Completion % Pass Yards Pass TDs INT Passer Rating Rush Attempts Rush Yards Rush Avg Rush TDs 2011 Redshirt 2012 Texas A&M 434 295 68.0% 3,706 26 9 155.3 201 1,410 7.0 21 2013 Texas A&M 429 300 69.9% 4,114 37 13 172.9 144 759 5.3 9 Total 863 595 68.9% 7,820 63 22 164.1 345 2,169 6.3 30
For the idiot who says he knows his college career. Notice that passer rating changing (155.3 to 172.9) AFTER the Heisman and those yards running cut almost in half as well as less than half the running TD's.
Do you have any inkling why that is?
Let me clue you in. He spent the whole off season doing everything he could to learn how to become a pocket passer because he knew he needed that for the NFL. He worked his ass off and became the leading pass %age QB in the nation his second year.
So-you know shit about his college career.
I think discussions about his excellent college career belong on A&M forums.College statistics Johnny Manziel's college statistics[37] Year Team Pass Attempts Pass Completions Completion % Pass Yards Pass TDs INT Passer Rating Rush Attempts Rush Yards Rush Avg Rush TDs 2011 Redshirt 2012 Texas A&M 434 295 68.0% 3,706 26 9 155.3 201 1,410 7.0 21 2013 Texas A&M 429 300 69.9% 4,114 37 13 172.9 144 759 5.3 9 Total 863 595 68.9% 7,820 63 22 164.1 345 2,169 6.3 30
For the idiot who says he knows his college career. Notice that passer rating changing (155.3 to 172.9) AFTER the Heisman and those yards running cut almost in half as well as less than half the running TD's.
Do you have any inkling why that is?
Let me clue you in. He spent the whole off season doing everything he could to learn how to become a pocket passer because he knew he needed that for the NFL. He worked his ass off and became the leading pass %age QB in the nation his second year.
So-you know shit about his college career.
No doubt though, it was an excellent college career otherwise he wouldn't have won the heisman. But we only have 1 NFL game to analyze so far. We'll get another one in a couple cays, I hope he shows aggressiveness, decisiveness, and intelligence on his way to 2 wins. But we'll see.
No excuse for Sunday though, shitty rookie debut.
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I'm not sure I understand the bitterness toward college performance. Isn't that the basis with which we select any player in the draft?
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I think discussions about his excellent college career belong on A&M forums.College statistics Johnny Manziel's college statistics[37] Year Team Pass Attempts Pass Completions Completion % Pass Yards Pass TDs INT Passer Rating Rush Attempts Rush Yards Rush Avg Rush TDs 2011 Redshirt 2012 Texas A&M 434 295 68.0% 3,706 26 9 155.3 201 1,410 7.0 21 2013 Texas A&M 429 300 69.9% 4,114 37 13 172.9 144 759 5.3 9 Total 863 595 68.9% 7,820 63 22 164.1 345 2,169 6.3 30
For the idiot who says he knows his college career. Notice that passer rating changing (155.3 to 172.9) AFTER the Heisman and those yards running cut almost in half as well as less than half the running TD's.
Do you have any inkling why that is?
Let me clue you in. He spent the whole off season doing everything he could to learn how to become a pocket passer because he knew he needed that for the NFL. He worked his ass off and became the leading pass %age QB in the nation his second year.
So-you know shit about his college career.
No doubt though, it was an excellent college career otherwise he wouldn't have won the heisman. But we only have 1 NFL game to analyze so far. We'll get another one in a couple cays, I hope he shows aggressiveness, decisiveness, and intelligence on his way to 2 wins. But we'll see.
No excuse for Sunday though, shitty rookie debut.
I think discussions about his excellent college career belong on A&M forums.
No doubt though, it was an excellent college career otherwise he wouldn't have won the heisman. But we only have 1 NFL game to analyze so far. We'll get another one in a couple cays, I hope he shows aggressiveness, decisiveness, and intelligence on his way to 2 wins. But we'll see.
No excuse for Sunday though, shitty rookie debut.
yep. All that is ancient history now. All discussed well beyond death. Well beyond......
Seen every stat 5000 times, every game, evry highlight video, watched all his preseason games and now this past weeks game.
As they say, this is a "what have you done for me lately" league, where you wear your big boy pants or get your ass kicked.
No more talk about the past.....it's present and future only
And PLEASE.....Do NOT project the PAST into the FUTURE for me.....Ill let his play as a BROWN speak for itself....
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@junkyard-dawg said:
LMAO@Brady being called Elite. A fucking System QB being called Elite.
This cements your utter idiocy
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I am quite embarrassed people would give up on Johnny after one start. The idiocy of Browns fans impatience.
People that are calling for
Johnnys head are the fools that root for the backup QB every year. I swear there is a delusion in the fanbase due to the losing over the past 15 years. We can't ever let a guy get comfortable. I believe in Johnny. I think he can be a winner in this league. Super Bowl?hell idk. But he is all we got now
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