Jonathan Paul Manziel

bbedward

@dwplayer said:

Thank you.

Please talk more on the subject, I incest.

Opal312

Our running game is non existent without Mack. I don't care who the QB is for the Browns. The O line has suffered and I don't understand why there are no backup centers in the league. We are not the only team who's O line has injuries and it seems there is a shortage of these guys.

Mudfly

@opal312 said:
I don't understand why there are no backup centers in the league. ....We are not the only team who's O line has injuries ..... it seems there is a shortage of these guys.

I think you just answered your own question(s)....

A shortage would be why it seems there are none....(ie: if there are none, then there's a shortage, right?)

And we are not the only team who's line has injuries...(so other teams also need something that is in short supply, making the supply line even shorter)...

And that basically would explain "why" there are no back ups....

So, a lot of teams(like us) choose to "teach" someone to play center(usually a guard).....we had Greco prepared as our "back up" until it became apparent we needed a full timer.....after failing with McDonald, there were no other centers available, so Seymour is getting some on the job training....

I think thats why the Browns were happy to pay a first for Mack and have used high picks on centers several times in my memory.....Mack, Everett, Baab, Rakoczy and Faine....all were 1st or 2nd rounders.....

OldBrownsFan

I don't understand how Manziel and Hoyer can be acting this way and joking around when they are down 23-0 at the time and the team is emabarrassing themselves in front of the home crowd as well as a huge television audience.

bringbackbrownie2

@bbedward said:
Please talk more on the subject, I incest.

A discussion on incest? No thank you..

Edwardejw

@texasag1969 said:

Very selective-How about Aaron Rogers 8/15 65 yds and 2 interceptions? Yeah another fuck up who turned into a pumpkin.

How about these fuck-ups:

Troy Aikman shut out 28 - 0 at New Orleans

Bob Griese shut out 24-0 at home against Miami.

I watched him for 2 years in the SEC and I was glad when he opted for the draft.

I'm here on this board because I couldn't stand to watch Hoyer mess up anymore. I said it before and I'll say it again, y'all have short memories about the struggles the Browns have had all year. How in Heaven's could we get our asses wiped by Jacksonville and struggle to beat the Titans.

Hoyer has not been right since he broke his leg against Buffalo in 2013. This ain't about Johnny, it's about how we suck in all phases of the game - again.

Edwardejw

Correction Tore his ACL

SkippinTurtles

Other than him being a polarizing figure, 1st rd. picks miss all the time. See what he's got. If he sucks, move on.

LBC mike

It's our way of doing things. Seems like allot of teams right now are trying to figure out what they have. There might be about ten teams that set with their qb.

Comeonman

Not with Farmer and co. hitting on late round picks and udfa

Flyin J

@lbc-mike said:
It's our way of doing things. Seems like allot of teams right now are trying to figure out what they have. There might be about ten teams that set with their qb.

only ten? SD, Den, KC, Pit, Bal, Cin, Ind, NE, Mia, Dal,, Atl, NO, Car, GB, Det, Sea are set. Teams that probably wont make a big move and may be set are Oak, Jax, Buf, NYG, Was, Phi, TB, Min, SF, Ari. Some of those teams may make moves but I believe their QBs still have value. Teams in trouble are Cle, Hou, Ten, NYJ, Chi, Stl.

Browns149

the bungles are stuck with their QB even though he sucks

Browns149

I would disagree on Buf, Wash, TB being set at QB. All 3 are in need of an upgrade at the very least

miktoxic

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
only ten? SD, Den, KC, Pit, Bal, Cin, Ind, NE, Mia, Dal,, Atl, NO, Car, GB, Det, Sea are set.

4 out of those sixteen teams prob have another 3 years left with their guys so unless they're happy with their backups they'll be looking in the near future. i also believe that miami and carolina might be unsure at this point whether or not they've got the right guys. and as 149 said above you've got to be kidding about buf, wash and tb.

and a lot of the qbs from your top 16 are perennial whiffs. as soon as they see the playoffs they disappear.

Westside Steve

Ya gotta admit this is one of the least relevant non stories of the month! Good work!

WSS

Mudfly

If you do the math, there is only about 1 good QB per year that actually makes it(as a solid, long term starter).....

so, 32 teams would take 32 years to man with good QB's.....

meaning only about 1/2 the teams get one at any given time.....

and then you have to be THE ONE team that recogonizes him AND has the pick to get him.....

and sometimes it's hard to tell WHICH one HE may be......

So, we want to "get" a QB, but it's not like there's a QB store to go shopping.....

he has to be there.....then you have to realize it.....then you have to have the pick .....

....these things rarely line up(unless you're Indy).....so you take whats available and hope....

Mudfly

Yep.....sideline laugh police are at it again.....

In terms of Fish to Fry, this ones a Guppy....

b86b

Depends on how long it takes the FO to realize that JH really screwed them and its time to move on..If they keep throwing him out there just because, then yes it will be the EOW.

D Bone

@b86b said:
Depends on how long it takes the FO to realize that JH really screwed them and its time to move on..If they keep throwing him out there just because, then yes it will be the EOW.

Exactly. Recognize it quickly and move on, it stings, but try to keep pounding that short, square peg into that star shaped hole, and it will be devastating.

Kennel Club

Manziel only cost the Browns Trent Richardson. Compare this to what Washington had to give up to get RG3. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.