John Football Excuses Forum....
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Well since the Browns have given up on Johnny already I guess it's time to supply another future QB to "save" the Browns. Kyler Murray will be playing for his 3rd straight Highest Division (6A) championship tomorrow evening in Jerryworld. He has been the starting QB every game since he started as a soph and has never lost one single game. They were talking last night that if he wins that game he will likely go down as the greatest player ever in Texas HS football history. And all 3 before he is even 17 1/2 years old (first one at 15 1/2).
Maybe the Browns can sign him out of HS and use those college years to "develop" him. That would include growing him to 6'5" 235 lbs. from his current 5'10" 180 lbs.
That lighten up your Friday for you Z?
Well since the Browns have given up on Johnny already I guess it's time to supply another future QB to "save" the Browns. Kyler Murray will be playing for his 3rd straight Highest Division (6A) championship tomorrow evening in Jerryworld. He has been the starting QB every game since he started as a soph and has never lost one single game. They were talking last night that if he wins that game he will likely go down as the greatest player ever in Texas HS football history. And all 3 before he is even 17 1/2 years old (first one at 15 1/2).
Maybe the Browns can sign him out of HS and use those college years to "develop" him. That would include growing him to 6'5" 235 lbs. from his current 5'10" 180 lbs.
That lighten up your Friday for you Z?
Hilarious
)Because we've always wanted a 5'-10" - best ever - HS quarterback from Texas......wait just one minute!!??!!
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I just hope johnny eats a snickers before the game on Sunday
I just hope johnny eats a snickers before the game on Sunday
"Sometimes you're not yourself..."
So obvious... yet overlooked by so many.
Kudos..
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I'm kind of surprised people are shocked by the ripping Johnny is taking. Was anyone paying attention to all the heat Hoyer has taken this season? There were some proclaiming him dead in the water before the season even started. This is a guy who is from Cleveland. A guy who has won more games for us than he has lost. A guy who took it to two of our division rivals and if not for special teams failures had the third one in hand. This fan base is notorious for lambasting a QB the minute he starts to struggle. Just ask any of the previous 19 of them since the return in 99. Johnny comes out and shits the bed THAT bad and he's expected to be given slack? Good luck with that. That was the worst display of QB play I've ever seen and I've watched Weeden, Frye, and Quinn. I honest to God never thought I'd see a worse INT than Flipper threw until Johnny floated that one into the end zone.
It's a complete cop out to blame the rest of the team for his performance. It's o line is the same o line Brian has been playing with. The reason they looked so much worse with Johnny back there is because of Johnny. I do recall everyone saying how bad the o line was in front of Weeden and then Brian came in and suddenly they didn't seem so bad. Its because the QB behind them had a much quicker release. That o line play was not ALL on them. Some of it, yes, but the majority of the reason they looked so bad was because of Johnny. The biggest and most important position on the field was the change made and that mess was the result.
I was totally against Brian being benched for that game. I understood why they felt the team needed a spark at the position, but felt it was not the right time, yet. The "spark" was more on the Bengals side than ours. The Bengals were licking their chops to get the first shot at Johnny Football. You can best believe they were ecstatic when they heard Hoyer had been benched. He had beaten them handily twice. They WANTED Johnny. I have never heard of a team benching their starting QB who had played well against all his division foes in a game against a division foe that we needed to win to stay in contention. Everyone can be mad at Joe Thomas for saying the truth, but the only thing benching Brian did was tell the rest of the tam that the improvements they made this season didn't matter anymore and the season was over.
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I'm kind of surprised people are shocked by the ripping Johnny is taking. Was anyone paying attention to all the heat Hoyer has taken this season? There were some proclaiming him dead in the water before the season even started. This is a guy who is from Cleveland. A guy who has won more games for us than he has lost. A guy who took it to two of our division rivals and if not for special teams failures had the third one in hand. This fan base is notorious for lambasting a QB the minute he starts to struggle. Just ask any of the previous 19 of them since the return in 99. Johnny comes out and shits the bed THAT bad and he's expected to be given slack? Good luck with that. That was the worst display of QB play I've ever seen and I've watched Weeden, Frye, and Quinn. I honest to God never thought I'd see a worse INT than Flipper threw until Johnny floated that one into the end zone.
It's a complete cop out to blame the rest of the team for his performance. It's o line is the same o line Brian has been playing with. The reason they looked so much worse with Johnny back there is because of Johnny. I do recall everyone saying how bad the o line was in front of Weeden and then Brian came in and suddenly they didn't seem so bad. Its because the QB behind them had a much quicker release. That o line play was not ALL on them. Some of it, yes, but the majority of the reason they looked so bad was because of Johnny. The biggest and most important position on the field was the change made and that mess was the result.
I was totally against Brian being benched for that game. I understood why they felt the team needed a spark at the position, but felt it was not the right time, yet. The "spark" was more on the Bengals side than ours. The Bengals were licking their chops to get the first shot at Johnny Football. You can best believe they were ecstatic when they heard Hoyer had been benched. He had beaten them handily twice. They WANTED Johnny. I have never heard of a team benching their starting QB who had played well against all his division foes in a game against a division foe that we needed to win to stay in contention. Everyone can be mad at Joe Thomas for saying the truth, but the only thing benching Brian did was tell the rest of the tam that the improvements they made this season didn't matter anymore and the season was over.
Its because (Hoyer) had a much quicker release.
Good stuff... only a minor quibble with word choice. Rather than "release", I think you were going for "read".
While Hoyer's release may still be a tad quicker, JM's is not slow.
The issue is that where Hoyer made reads and got the ball out on time to receivers breaking open, JM looked for open receivers and that takes longer.
O-linemen love quick decisions.
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Well if Johnny does great then I guess not all of your dreams will come true...
WSS
Flashing money signs before ever taking a snap in the NFL never worked out for anyone.
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Worst performance by the team since weeds? Absolutely. Hoyer wins that game or even makes it close? Absolutely not. We played like shit all the way around
Worst performance by the team since weeds? Absolutely. Hoyer wins that game or even makes it close? Absolutely not. We played like shit all the way around
So true
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We've got seriously the worst fans ever. Myself included. We turn on people so goddamn quickly. I think this game showed Hoyer was far from failing on his own. That being said at least Johnny didn't throw everyone else under the bus at his post game presser.
Man you said it all there! No fuckin' patience at all.
Man you said it all there! No fuckin' patience at all.
21 QBs in 15 years will do that to you.. Don't pretend to understand.
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Well if Johnny does great then I guess not all of your dreams will come true...
WSS
Flashing money signs before ever taking a snap in the NFL never worked out for anyone.
The money sign is absolutely meaningless.Flashing money signs before ever taking a snap in the NFL never worked out for anyone.
Get over it.
WSS
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The money sign is absolutely meaningless.
Get over it.
Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.
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The money sign is absolutely meaningless.
Get over it.
Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.
Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty.
WSS
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Ive never been a fan of the whole dancing and endzone celebration thing, as I think it's fairly low class and is basically a "look at me" kind of thing.....but can't say it deeply bothers me or it affects the game that much...I just prefer modesty over egotism...
And it kind of looks stupid and a bit like gloating to me.
Probably doesnt change a game though...... "until" it gets a flag for taunting or extra celebration.
Last week it worked for us that Cinn got the flag. Maybe it will someday work against us. Maybe not. Who knows?
But IF or when it does work against us or draws a flag....be ready to hear a LOT about it.....
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so it would piss you off if a Browns player made a touchdown and jumped up into the dog pound?
WSS
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so it would piss you off if a Browns player made a touchdown and jumped up into the dog pound?
WSS
so it would piss you off if a Browns player made a touchdown and jumped up into the dog pound?
WSS
No...it wouldnt.....I think I clearly said it doesnt bother me either way(first paragraph, in case you missed it).....
I got no problem with players showing joy and getting excited and, yes, even jumping into the stands to celebrate with the fans...
But I also think thats an "in the moment" spontaneous kind of thing and a fairly genuine expression of excitement.......
as opposed to having a "trademark" celebration....ala the Icky Shuffle....or Money Sign....which is more of a planned/individual thing and nowhere near spontaneous....(more like a TO thing)
Whatever....Im not knocking the money sign or saying he should stop. it's his right to do it, so lets let him.....but I do have a right not to like it or think it's "cool"....no big deal there, just a personal preference.
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so it would piss you off if a Browns player made a touchdown and jumped up into the dog pound?
WSS
so it would piss you off if a Browns player made a touchdown and jumped up into the dog pound?
WSS
we get it. you're a performer so you stick up for performers. a little dance there a little money sign there. no problem. hell the whole team should break out the hammer dance in the end zone.
and when people don't like your the act and they get booed off the stage they either suck real bad or people just hate the act or they just don't understand it? but it has to be the fans not the performer's performance?
jumping into the stands is a celebration with the fans. doing a dance every time you sack someone can be a bit too much sometimes but it doesn't bother me. now doing any type of celebration dance is pretty dumb when you're down 42 points with 3 minutes to go.
manziel thought his act would translate to the pros. so far that hasn't happened. and all that money sign has done is make it a trend amongst opposing defensive players to use to mock him.
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Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty.
WSS
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty.
WSS
I'd say this right here pretty much proves Tour's point as being rather true.
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Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty.
WSS
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty.
Nope... no shit of any kind.
While I do not like "the kid's" behavior, that's different from not liking "the kid".
So as well as questioning what the Bengals said motivated them, you're questioning my motivation for what I said. Interesting...
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Questioning anybody's motivations? Well maybe just a little. Maybe the Bengals without any chip on their shoulder and gotten beaten by a quarterback who doesn't make money signs. I'm sure it's possible but let's say I question it.
Sure they wanted to hand Johnny his ass, I bet dollars to dog shit they wanted to hand Brian Hoyer his too.
But if anybody tells me that the ass whipping in Cincinnati wasn't the driving factor I'll repeat horseshit.
And Mik, yes I do like a little flamboyance from my guys. If we'd won that game the whole crowd would have been on their feet making the money sign. Like the whole crowd bark like dogs. Any of you guys mad at Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield?
Anybody in Pittsburgh crying about the Terrible Towels since they might upset the opposition?
And as to questioning motives honestly tell me how many of the guys that are upset about Johnny and the money sign wanted to take him in the draft? I could be wrong...
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Questioning anybody's motivations? Well maybe just a little. Maybe the Bengals without any chip on their shoulder and gotten beaten by a quarterback who doesn't make money signs. I'm sure it's possible but let's say I question it.
Sure they wanted to hand Johnny his ass, I bet dollars to dog shit they wanted to hand Brian Hoyer his too.
But if anybody tells me that the ass whipping in Cincinnati wasn't the driving factor I'll repeat horseshit.
And Mik, yes I do like a little flamboyance from my guys. If we'd won that game the whole crowd would have been on their feet making the money sign. Like the whole crowd bark like dogs. Any of you guys mad at Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield?
Anybody in Pittsburgh crying about the Terrible Towels since they might upset the opposition?
And as to questioning motives honestly tell me how many of the guys that are upset about Johnny and the money sign wanted to take him in the draft? I could be wrong...
WSS
Like the whole crowd bark like dogs. Any of you guys mad at Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield?
And as to questioning motives honestly tell me how many of the guys that are upset about Johnny and the money sign wanted to take him in the draft? I could be wrong...
Love the barking... I've barked myself. The barking is a group activity... it breeds solidarity.
I also loved the Dogs of the Defense poster.
Never saw either Hanford or Minnie get on all fours, raise their leg or do any other fool, look-at-me thing on the field.
As for your question...
Nope... did not want JM in the draft, not at #4 anyway and also not at #8... honestly or otherwise. Did not like "the sign" then, but it was so far down my list of reasons to not draft him that it's of little import.
My initial reaction at pick #22's announcement was "Oh, fuck!" As much as anything because I thought we reached. However, after hearing Farmer I became OK-ish with his selection... at least I talked myself into being OK with the selection.
Ever since I have waited for something to justify him at pick #22.
Maybe this Sunday? Something?
Now, Steve, tell me what the above says about me and why I posted what I did.
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Merely that if you start from a position of disliking someone things they do will tend to annoy you more.
And I wouldn't put you in the junkyard dog category but in the I'm not going to root for this jerk until he proves something to me category.
And maybe I am the patron saint of lost quarterbacks. I tend to defend guys on our team when others give them shit.
WSS
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