Mike Evans Has Eleven TDs
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But all the draft experts and pundits, writers and sports analysts thought Mike Evans was going to the Browns? So did I.
But all the draft experts and pundits, writers and sports analysts thought Mike Evans was going to the Browns? So did I.
bullshit. he went earlier at 7 than most pundits thought. hell if would have been there at eight and the browns would've picked him, i wouldn't have had a prob with it. anyone that was on this board at the time knew i loved evans over watkins and gilbert over all the other corners. problem is we needed both positions. last year skrine was a bum, sorry. i can't forget how many times people were screaming about his game. well i guess farmer saw the same thing and went out and revamped the secondary like no one else has done in recent history. bringing in a FA safety, some UDFAs and our draft picks.
woulda coulda shoulda bullshit.
i love how walter makes these blanket statements like everyone wanted clowney....i didn't. he sweated every top pick. well you can't have them all walter. meanwhile the wr position has been the least of our worries and all you and walter and clevefan4life do is bitch about who we shoulda coulda woulda......
in hindsight i guess we shoulda picked a center or a DL. make that argument and you're making sense not just making the same stupid one.
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Well we still won't know how good that pick of Gilbert at #8 for Watkins (or Evans) was until we see who we get at Buffalo's spot next year. I've always kind of liked getting two for one, especially if you believe the one you need most can be gotten later as apparently the FO knew when going after a DB instead of a WR. I see no fault in that logic at all then or now. DB had the highest priority for a defensive minded HC. Nothing wrong with that when you believe great teams are built with great defenses first.
So the speculation for next year is, do they go for a much needed DL or a much needed OL first?
Got me-but should be interesting to say the least.
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Well we still won't know how good that pick of Gilbert at #8 for Watkins (or Evans) was until we see who we get at Buffalo's spot next year. I've always kind of liked getting two for one, especially if you believe the one you need most can be gotten later as apparently the FO knew when going after a DB instead of a WR. I see no fault in that logic at all then or now. DB had the highest priority for a defensive minded HC. Nothing wrong with that when you believe great teams are built with great defenses first.
So the speculation for next year is, do they go for a much needed DL or a much needed OL first?
Got me-but should be interesting to say the least.
Well we still won't know how good that pick of Gilbert at #8 for Watkins (or Evans) was until we see who we get at Buffalo's spot next year. I've always kind of liked getting two for one, especially if you believe the one you need most can be gotten later as apparently the FO knew when going after a DB instead of a WR. I see no fault in that logic at all then or now. DB had the highest priority for a defensive minded HC. Nothing wrong with that when you believe great teams are built with great defenses first.
So the speculation for next year is, do they go for a much needed DL or a much needed OL first?
Got me-but should be interesting to say the least.
Probably depends on best available, as to what we take first. Although we may have back to back first round picks so why not both.
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Martavis Bryant - 4th round
8 games 7 touchdowns.
Fair to say he burst out of the gate and could be one of 2014's steals, but at just over 50% of his targets being completed he's obviously still very raw.
I swear if the NFL consistently called offensive PI Mike Evans would have only have the TDs he has now.. The guy is constantly pushing off to get open.
Exactly my thing pre-draft/ pre-this-season... but it's now only fair to say that I got it wrong with Mike.
Sure he pushes off.. a lot, but he also makes adjustments to the ball that are very athletic. He has a lot more game than I gave him credit for having.
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Martavis Bryant - 4th round
8 games 7 touchdowns.
Fair to say he burst out of the gate and could be one of 2014's steals, but at just over 50% of his targets being completed he's obviously still very raw.
I swear if the NFL consistently called offensive PI Mike Evans would have only have the TDs he has now.. The guy is constantly pushing off to get open.
Exactly my thing pre-draft/ pre-this-season... but it's now only fair to say that I got it wrong with Mike.
Sure he pushes off.. a lot, but he also makes adjustments to the ball that are very athletic. He has a lot more game than I gave him credit for having.
Mike.
Sure he pushes off.. a lot, but he also makes adjustments to the ball that a very athletic. He has a lot more game than I gave him credit for having.
after watching the pre-draft highlights of both evans and manziel a lot of those manziel 'big plays' were just tossing the ball up to evans who is basically a redwood receiver amongst some some apple tree dbs.
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I wanted Evans over Watkins, he compliments Gordon better.
Lol, most of this board wanted Bustas head last year. Don't act like we didn't need a #2 CB
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I wanted Evans over Watkins, he compliments Gordon better.
Lol, most of this board wanted Bustas head last year. Don't act like we didn't need a #2 CB
Lol, most of this board wanted Bustas head last year. Don't act like we didn't need a #2 CB
exactly.
walter forgets from week to week who he likes and who he doesn't.
hates pettine and the FO one week, loves them the next.
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They're both good, Beckham is having the best rookie year out of the class though IMO.
But again, CBs are more valuable if Gilbert can turn into a stud.
Manziel, well...it's something.
Here's my problem with drafting Gilbert,
CB, to me, was never a huge priority with Haden and Skrine already here. We need a nickel guy and found one in K'Waun Williams and decent depth. Fuck, we even got Desir in the 4th.
It's easy to play Monday Morning draft GM because EVERYONE thought Clowney was the 2nd coming of JJ Watt.
Everyone thought Greg Robinson would be a fucking star and he's struggled big time.
The owners/coaches/Farmer KNEW Gordon would be suspended and still said "fuck drafting a WR". That to me was a little arrogant without having a true #1 WR and we did manage to get to 7-4 without a true #1 but with Gordon's contract coming up and his uncertain future, we just didn't know.
I won't lie and I'll admit I wanted Manziel but the second I found out Gordon was going to be suspended I just wished we would have taken Watkins.
I just didn't see the need for a CB when you have the 4th pick in the draft.
Here's my problem with drafting Gilbert,
CB, to me, was never a huge priority with Haden and Skrine already here. We need a nickel guy and found one in K'Waun Williams and decent depth. Fuck, we even got Desir in the 4th.
It's easy to play Monday Morning draft GM because EVERYONE thought Clowney was the 2nd coming of JJ Watt.
Everyone thought Greg Robinson would be a fucking star and he's struggled big time.
The owners/coaches/Farmer KNEW Gordon would be suspended and still said "fuck drafting a WR". That to me was a little arrogant without having a true #1 WR and we did manage to get to 7-4 without a true #1 but with Gordon's contract coming up and his uncertain future, we just didn't know.
I won't lie and I'll admit I wanted Manziel but the second I found out Gordon was going to be suspended I just wished we would have taken Watkins.
I just didn't see the need for a CB when you have the 4th pick in the draft.
HaHa, what a dumbass.
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I'd have been ok with Watkins or Evans at 4, didn't get Gilbert at 8 and still don't. I've been told that corner is a difficult position to pick up in the NFL, funny quarterback isn't as tough, since we are starting Manziel and odd Fuller has adjusted pretty well for the Bears.
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I'd have been ok with Watkins or Evans at 4, didn't get Gilbert at 8 and still don't. I've been told that corner is a difficult position to pick up in the NFL, funny quarterback isn't as tough, since we are starting Manziel and odd Fuller has adjusted pretty well for the Bears.
I'd have been ok with Watkins or Evans at 4, didn't get Gilbert at 8 and still don't. I've been told that corner is a difficult position to pick up in the NFL, funny quarterback isn't as tough, since we are starting Manziel and odd Fuller has adjusted pretty well for the Bears.
what's to understand? the most important position on the defense now because of the 'pass-happy' league has to be someone that covers the wrs correct?
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Lol, most of this board wanted Bustas head last year. Don't act like we didn't need a #2 CB
exactly.
walter forgets from week to week who he likes and who he doesn't.
hates pettine and the FO one week, loves them the next.
exactly.
walter forgets from week to week who he likes and who he doesn't.
hates pettine and the FO one week, loves them the next.
That being said, I've always been a Busta fan.... Even when he was the most penalized player in the NFL lol
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We also could've had Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Clay Matthews as well.............. Hindsight is a bitchin draft aid.
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I'd have been ok with Watkins or Evans at 4, didn't get Gilbert at 8 and still don't. I've been told that corner is a difficult position to pick up in the NFL, funny quarterback isn't as tough, since we are starting Manziel and odd Fuller has adjusted pretty well for the Bears.
what's to understand? the most important position on the defense now because of the 'pass-happy' league has to be someone that covers the wrs correct?
what's to understand? the most important position on the defense now because of the 'pass-happy' league has to be someone that covers the wrs correct?
DB isn't nearly as complicated as QB and all 3 first round picks are playing significant minutes. They just aren't willing to admit that Gilbert isn't playing at the level he should be, for goodness sake (Christmas Pun) they seem higher on Desir.
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What happened to the 8th load?
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what's to understand? the most important position on the defense now because of the 'pass-happy' league has to be someone that covers the wrs correct?
DB isn't nearly as complicated as QB and all 3 first round picks are playing significant minutes. They just aren't willing to admit that Gilbert isn't playing at the level he should be, for goodness sake (Christmas Pun) they seem higher on Desir.
DB isn't nearly as complicated as QB and all 3 first round picks are playing significant minutes. They just aren't willing to admit that Gilbert isn't playing at the level he should be, for goodness sake (Christmas Pun) they seem higher on Desir.
agree to disagree then. gilbert is as green as JF but i think it was the best pick when trading down.
you really think farmer thought that q'shoe and desir were better players when pulling the draft card?
and why QB? when the rest of the team isn't built yet? seattle drafted a QB when they didn't have their team built from side to side?
tell me what position seattle didn't have set before drafting qb...and then tell me why we should have drafted manziel?
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Mike.
Sure he pushes off.. a lot, but he also makes adjustments to the ball that a very athletic. He has a lot more game than I gave him credit for having.
after watching the pre-draft highlights of both evans and manziel a lot of those manziel 'big plays' were just tossing the ball up to evans who is basically a redwood receiver amongst some some apple tree dbs.
after watching the pre-draft highlights of both evans and manziel a lot of those manziel 'big plays' were just tossing the ball up to evans who is basically a redwood receiver amongst some some apple tree dbs.
No no no. Its been proven by our resident john boys that those chuck ups only happens twice in their careers. Everything else was pure skill and athleticism.
I wanted Evans, not manziel, jump ball receivers are a hot commodity in today's flag haply NFL. I didn't want clowney, haynesworth pt 2 (well, Haynesworth was actually good in the NFL before he decided to be a lazy ass).
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That being said, I've always been a Busta fan.... Even when he was the most penalized player in the NFL lol
I hated Skrine last year. He either got burned or flagged on a regular bases. between him and weeden I lost my voice a couple of times.
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Skrine is a really scrappy player....I like him
I do remember considering him a weakness, but he was better last year than the year before.....and a LOT better this year.....
So, for me, the best part is he's obviously a student of the game and someone who's working hard to get better....Im sure he'll have a solid career and be a good player.
With Williams, Gilbert AND Desir waiting in the wings, we should be strong at CB for a long time!!!!
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They're both good, Beckham is having the best rookie year out of the class though IMO.
But again, CBs are more valuable if Gilbert can turn into a stud.
Manziel, well...it's something.
Here's my problem with drafting Gilbert,
CB, to me, was never a huge priority with Haden and Skrine already here. We need a nickel guy and found one in K'Waun Williams and decent depth. Fuck, we even got Desir in the 4th.
It's easy to play Monday Morning draft GM because EVERYONE thought Clowney was the 2nd coming of JJ Watt.
Everyone thought Greg Robinson would be a fucking star and he's struggled big time.
The owners/coaches/Farmer KNEW Gordon would be suspended and still said "fuck drafting a WR". That to me was a little arrogant without having a true #1 WR and we did manage to get to 7-4 without a true #1 but with Gordon's contract coming up and his uncertain future, we just didn't know.
I won't lie and I'll admit I wanted Manziel but the second I found out Gordon was going to be suspended I just wished we would have taken Watkins.
I just didn't see the need for a CB when you have the 4th pick in the draft.
It's easy to play Monday Morning draft GM because EVERYONE thought Clowney was the 2nd coming of JJ Watt.
Everyone thought Greg Robinson would be a fucking star and he's struggled big time.
The problem with using the universal "everyone" is that it is rarely, if ever, true.
Going O-fer-two, as WW did here, is not a good foundation for any argument that follows.
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