Jonathan Paul Manziel
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No, I think Johnny has a long way to go before I make a decision. I'm talking about Brian.
But both guys will need a good team around them to succeed it's just that I think Johnny might possibly eventually someday etc etc to be an elite quarterback. And he might not. I don't think brian has that upside unfortunately.
But he's OK and probably could continue to be ok.
WSS
Just curious....what plays or characteristics have you seen from Manziel that would make you think he could be an elite qb?....other than maybe backyard pick up games?
he has an above average arm, he had one of the highest IQs of the draft, he has excellent ability to scramble he is a competitor. And, even though they are often wrong, most football analysts saw him as a talent. Granted most predicted a boom or bust possibility but at least a possible high ceiling.Just curious....what plays or characteristics have you seen from Manziel that would make you think he could be an elite qb?....other than maybe backyard pick up games?
I don't think you could judge any rookie by the performance against the Cincinnati Bengals. They manhandled the Cleveland Browns at every stage of the game. It was the worst team performance I've seen in years.
As you should recall I didn't call for brian hoyers head. I said leave him in the rest of the season and if you are going to make a change start Johnny with a healthy team after a full training camp.
Then if he's a bust we will know it and you can rejoice.
WSS
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Think someone will offer Hoyer more money they we will. JFF doesn't look like he is ready to be an NFL QB. Looks like a high school kid out there. Not sure what they will do with him. Probably back up for awhile. That leaves us in the same debacle as the last 15 years or so.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I think we saw the good Brian yesterday. On time, quick, pretty good ball placement, good reads, good footwork, etc. Yea he missed a couple longer balls, one to Gabriel - but I don't think on bad throws. Couple drops, the underthrown INT to Benjamin (showing his non-rocket man arm). The INT was a good catch, and an awesome play by Benji to get back and strip it too.
Anyway, he's good enough to win now. Keep him, commit to him (I don't see him costing a whole lot). Get a smart young guy with lots of upside to develop for 2 or 3 years behind him (maybe we already have that guy in Shaw - maybe not the ideal guy due to some of his physical limitations, haven't seen enough)
Not sure what we do with Johnny. If he showed some competence I'd say he'd be a decent mid-game backup had an injury occured to the #1 just because of the improv stuff and athleticism he's supposed to bring to the table. By mid-game I mean he'd be like Jason Campbell, get put in for the remainder of the game then let the real backup prepare for the following weeks start.
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Think someone will offer Hoyer more money they we will. JFF doesn't look like he is ready to be an NFL QB. Looks like a high school kid out there. Not sure what they will do with him. Probably back up for awhile. That leaves us in the same debacle as the last 15 years or so.
Think someone will offer Hoyer more money they we will. JFF doesn't look like he is ready to be an NFL QB. Looks like a high school kid out there. Not sure what they will do with him. Probably back up for awhile. That leaves us in the same debacle as the last 15 years or so.
I would be happy if we just cut Manziel.. He's been nothing but a distraction since he's been here.. and more importantly.. He blows..
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DieHardBrownsFan similar to what Lobo asked me why would someone pay starting quarterback money to Brian Hoyer? What is it anyone has seen in him so far that suggest he might be elite someday?
(assuming that would be the goal of an NFL team)
WSS
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At this point getting a 2 for Johnny would be a bigger coup than getting a 1 for Trich.I hate saying this after only 6 quarters of football, I always hate pre judging. That being said, all my fears have come true, and johnny is another browns bust. I didn't see this game I listened as I could but with JF it sounded like more 3 and outs, and one drive assisted by a big penalty. With hoyer it sounds like we could move the ball again. I blamed the team as much as JF last week, but can't do that this week. If we moved with hoyer, and didn't with johnny, its Johnny's fault.
Best case scenario, hoyer starts and lights it up next week, we re-sign him, and trade manziel for a 2nd rd draft pick.
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DieHardBrownsFan similar to what Lobo asked me why would someone pay starting quarterback money to Brian Hoyer? What is it anyone has seen in him so far that suggest he might be elite someday?
(assuming that would be the goal of an NFL team)
WSS
DieHardBrownsFan similar to what Lobo asked me why would someone pay starting quarterback money to Brian Hoyer? What is it anyone has seen in him so far that suggest he might be elite someday?
(assuming that would be the goal of an NFL team)
WSS
Not elite Steve but capable.
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DieHardBrownsFan similar to what Lobo asked me why would someone pay starting quarterback money to Brian Hoyer? What is it anyone has seen in him so far that suggest he might be elite someday?
(assuming that would be the goal of an NFL team)
WSS
Not elite Steve but capable.
Not elite Steve but capable.
And capable is a best case scenario. So again isn't very good at least what you want in a starter?
Here's any team's best chance to win with Brian Hoyer at the helm. Make sure your team is as good as Rex Grossman Chicago Bears or Trent Dilfer Baltimore Ravens. Frankly if the Cleveland Browns could be that good I'd be a happy guy.
But if any team is not that good why would they pay top dollar to a quarterback they can only hope will be adequate?
He may as well stay here and hope for the best. I guarantee he won't get the love and respect in a city he wasn't born in.
WSS
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You got that right. Looks like a 'moldie' or is it moldy, walking down the hallways of Greenbriar with a book bag. Probably has fairy hooks ready to be pulled off his shirt.
It's moldie...
.. and I'd forgotten about fairy hooks.
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Not elite Steve but capable.
And capable is a best case scenario. So again isn't very good at least what you want in a starter?
Here's any team's best chance to win with Brian Hoyer at the helm. Make sure your team is as good as Rex Grossman Chicago Bears or Trent Dilfer Baltimore Ravens. Frankly if the Cleveland Browns could be that good I'd be a happy guy.
But if any team is not that good why would they pay top dollar to a quarterback they can only hope will be adequate?
He may as well stay here and hope for the best. I guarantee he won't get the love and respect in a city he wasn't born in.
WSS
And capable is a best case scenario. So again isn't very good at least what you want in a starter?
Here's any team's best chance to win with Brian Hoyer at the helm. Make sure your team is as good as Rex Grossman Chicago Bears or Trent Dilfer Baltimore Ravens. Frankly if the Cleveland Browns could be that good I'd be a happy guy.
But if any team is not that good why would they pay top dollar to a quarterback they can only hope will be adequate?
He may as well stay here and hope for the best. I guarantee he won't get the love and respect in a city he wasn't born in.
WSS
I just can't see us keeping Hoyer after benching him for JFF. Hoyer will be looking elsewhere. I think we should keep him, but doubt it will happen.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
And capable is a best case scenario. So again isn't very good at least what you want in a starter?
Here's any team's best chance to win with Brian Hoyer at the helm. Make sure your team is as good as Rex Grossman Chicago Bears or Trent Dilfer Baltimore Ravens. Frankly if the Cleveland Browns could be that good I'd be a happy guy.
But if any team is not that good why would they pay top dollar to a quarterback they can only hope will be adequate?
He may as well stay here and hope for the best. I guarantee he won't get the love and respect in a city he wasn't born in.
WSS
I just can't see us keeping Hoyer after benching him for JFF. Hoyer will be looking elsewhere. I think we should keep him, but doubt it will happen.
I just can't see us keeping Hoyer after benching him for JFF. Hoyer will be looking elsewhere. I think we should keep him, but doubt it will happen.
Then I'm afraid he's not being realistic. He was benched for poor performance. Any quarterback in any city should expect that would be a possibility.
WSS
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Keep Hoyer, but give him a realistic contract, which I think he will accept. Keep JFF in case there is an NFL QB hiding in that body. Draft other needs such as OL/DL/WR.
Keep Hoyer, but give him a realistic contract, which I think he will accept. Keep JFF in case there is an NFL QB hiding in that body. Draft other needs such as OL/DL/WR.
Bingo
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One, Browns have needs at DL and LB and backup OL trump every potential need at WR that could be extrapolated.
Two, JF has sucked and will suck. JF couldn't do anything with Cameron or Gordon WHEN THEY WERE THERE, yesterday.. and what did Hoyer do? Walk in, throw a TD, be competitive.. because he is serviceable. And hoyer had none of the reps this week in practice.
Anyone who seriously thinks JF has a clue about the NFL must be wearing 2 layers of metaphorically rose-colored glasses, because he's terrible. He won't get an offer to be a backup after Cleveland cuts him.
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Why is Johnny sounding like he is already out for next week? Has anybody heard anything definitive? If so, I though he wanted out yesterday which would give his so-called competitiveness a big hit.
Why is Johnny sounding like he is already out for next week? Has anybody heard anything definitive? If so, I though he wanted out yesterday which would give his so-called competitiveness a big hit.
That's what happens in the final weeks of just about any season. I think injury reports are often just smoke screens. I can't imagine him not wanting to play. But you have the company line. Kind of annoying actually.
WSS
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I agree - I hope he wants to play. But the quotes were his and it sure sounds like he isn't planning on playing.
I said it earlier - this season really has been chaos due to Manzielmania and I just don't think he is going to be an effective NFL starter. Didn't think it a year ago and I definitely do not think it now. It's idiotic people like Chuck Booms that thinks the path to relevancy in the NFL is drafting a media circus. Just win games, that's all it takes to be relevant. And we were doing a pretty decent job of it until Manzielmania overwhelmed the team. The fan base is already the best in the NFL. And this should have been a good season and it was wrecked over when the back-up was going to play. The back-up that the coaching staff knew wasn't ready or properly preparing himself like a professional to play.
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http://larrybrownsports.com/football/johnny-manziel-admits-he-could-have-worked-harder/250318
And to all you JFF fanboys out there that wonder why so many of us thought he wasn't working hard…well, there you go. HE IS WHO WE THINK HE IS. Right from the horses mouth.
"He even admitted he has not worked as hard as he could have worked this season."
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Jimmy Haslam is the reason we have Pettine and Farmer and Lombardi and Banner are gone. The only problem here is the people who expect a 180 degree turnaround in a single season and call for people's heads when they don't get. Let's face it, this is going to be a 7-9 season. Going from 4-12 to 7-9 is going in the right direction, yet you geniuses want to stop the car and kick out the driver because he isn't moving fast enough in the right direction. The only thing that will get you is lost, again. Aren't you tired of 15 years of being lost?
yes,Im just tired of gimmicky QB's.. Just get Me a QB whose smart and can win from the pocket.. Because Manziel hasn't shown Me one thing so far,that makes Me think he's ever gonna ge good.. He's stinkola.. I hope Jimmy is proud of himself for sacrificing the season for his own greedy ticket sales.. "asshole"
. I hope Jimmy is proud of himself for sacrificing the season for his own greedy ticket sales.. "asshole"
Ticket sales were not going to be an issue... JM or no JM.
we always sell out. Johnny or no Johnny. We didn't draft him for tickets.
Why does everyone thing JH is Jerry Jones? Cause they look and talk a bit alike? Because he keeps getting slammed for things only an insider would know and has never been reported on
Jimmy makes picks?, changes the lineup?, forces pettine to play JM?, etc. Its all made up bullshit and has zero credibility.
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. I hope Jimmy is proud of himself for sacrificing the season for his own greedy ticket sales.. "asshole"
Ticket sales were not going to be an issue... JM or no JM.
we always sell out. Johnny or no Johnny. We didn't draft him for tickets.
Why does everyone thing JH is Jerry Jones? Cause they look and talk a bit alike? Because he keeps getting slammed for things only an insider would know and has never been reported on
Jimmy makes picks?, changes the lineup?, forces pettine to play JM?, etc. Its all made up bullshit and has zero credibility.
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