Jonathan Paul Manziel
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yes.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Sorry brah, i know what i typed. I dont see denial. I think i gave a pretty good rational response to what i saw.
Bottom line. You like conventional pocket passers. Me, I like the Romo spins, Wilson scrambling type stuff. I love it, its exciting to watch and it works when used at the right time.
Denial of denial is at least consistent.
Yet, I like Russell Wilson, but mostly I admire a QB with skill at his craft... and wins.
Later... "brah"
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@everlastingxxx said:
Id give up a second rounder. Claiborne sucks btw. He is a bust. You could probably get Bruce Carter too.
Then by all means, please call Jerrah...
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Manziel is 22 years old right. He's just a kid. Give him some time to develop. There is no rush on Manziel. Don't give in to the Manzielmaniacs of there. You bring Hoyer back for a Veteran Journeyman's salary, nothing more, if he wants to be here then good. We need a serviceable QB. If you can hit on Mariota or whoever he is then strike. Keep striking on QB's until we find the next big one. We missed on Carr, I believe. But, Manziel just has some developing to do. He started this season really late and under immense pressure, under playoff implications and being the second coming and all that. He will do fine in an offseason training program and come back stronger and faster, with an offense suited to his strengths, with players capable to capitalize on his abilities. Find a way to sign Mike Evans.
Really Evans made a ton of plays for Manziel, but it wasn't just Evans. Manziel must have cohesion within the offense. They have to sync and come back to the QB, make plays in a freestyle manner when he's scrambling. That is going to be the hardest part, finding the guys able to do that. High football IQs and big bodies, good hands; no, great hands. We also have been spoiled with Alex Mack. What a tank. Losing him was like losing half the country in a war. What an impact a player like that has. Even Joe Thomas struggled without Mack anchoring the line.
Gotta get some really good "big uglies" to finish that damn line, once and for all.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Depends. Maybe there's still first round value hidden in Johnny. Right now, I don't know what the value is.
Depends. Maybe there's still first round value hidden in Johnny. Right now, I don't know what the value is.
You guys are insane.
Right now, nobody is going to give up anything for JF. Be realistic. What has he done-to date- to warrant, even, a 7th Round pick.
I am not ready to chalk up JF as 'another Browns' First Round Bust" but, the fact of the matter is, his value is virtually non-existent at this point.
Next year will be a better indicator.
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Manziel is 22 years old right. He's just a kid. Give him some time to develop. There is no rush on Manziel. Don't give in to the Manzielmaniacs of there. You bring Hoyer back for a Veteran Journeyman's salary, nothing more, if he wants to be here then good. We need a serviceable QB. If you can hit on Mariota or whoever he is then strike. Keep striking on QB's until we find the next big one. We missed on Carr, I believe. But, Manziel just has some developing to do. He started this season really late and under immense pressure, under playoff implications and being the second coming and all that. He will do fine in an offseason training program and come back stronger and faster, with an offense suited to his strengths, with players capable to capitalize on his abilities. Find a way to sign Mike Evans.
Really Evans made a ton of plays for Manziel, but it wasn't just Evans. Manziel must have cohesion within the offense. They have to sync and come back to the QB, make plays in a freestyle manner when he's scrambling. That is going to be the hardest part, finding the guys able to do that. High football IQs and big bodies, good hands; no, great hands. We also have been spoiled with Alex Mack. What a tank. Losing him was like losing half the country in a war. What an impact a player like that has. Even Joe Thomas struggled without Mack anchoring the line.
Gotta get some really good "big uglies" to finish that damn line, once and for all.
Gotta get some really good "big uglies" to finish that damn line, once and for all.
only part of your post that made any sense.
'hit on mariota?' you are fucking kidding me right?
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only part of your post that made any sense.
'hit on mariota?' you are fucking kidding me right?
I thought the part about having to build a WR core that just runs around and tries to accomodate Manziel's Retardation was pretty special.
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PoeticG-Heresy, heresy! burn the witch! Throw JF into the briar patch that is Dallas! Rabbits hate briar patches. 🥷
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Manziel is 22 years old right. He's just a kid. Give him some time to develop. There is no rush on Manziel. Don't give in to the Manzielmaniacs of there. You bring Hoyer back for a Veteran Journeyman's salary, nothing more, if he wants to be here then good. We need a serviceable QB. If you can hit on Mariota or whoever he is then strike. Keep striking on QB's until we find the next big one. We missed on Carr, I believe. But, Manziel just has some developing to do. He started this season really late and under immense pressure, under playoff implications and being the second coming and all that. He will do fine in an offseason training program and come back stronger and faster, with an offense suited to his strengths, with players capable to capitalize on his abilities. Find a way to sign Mike Evans.
Really Evans made a ton of plays for Manziel, but it wasn't just Evans. Manziel must have cohesion within the offense. They have to sync and come back to the QB, make plays in a freestyle manner when he's scrambling. That is going to be the hardest part, finding the guys able to do that. High football IQs and big bodies, good hands; no, great hands. We also have been spoiled with Alex Mack. What a tank. Losing him was like losing half the country in a war. What an impact a player like that has. Even Joe Thomas struggled without Mack anchoring the line.
Gotta get some really good "big uglies" to finish that damn line, once and for all.
Manziel is 22 years old right. He's just a kid. Give him some time to develop. There is no rush on Manziel. Don't give in to the Manzielmaniacs of there. You bring Hoyer back for a Veteran Journeyman's salary, nothing more, if he wants to be here then good. We need a serviceable QB. If you can hit on Mariota or whoever he is then strike. Keep striking on QB's until we find the next big one. We missed on Carr, I believe. But, Manziel just has some developing to do. He started this season really late and under immense pressure, under playoff implications and being the second coming and all that. He will do fine in an offseason training program and come back stronger and faster, with an offense suited to his strengths, with players capable to capitalize on his abilities. Find a way to sign Mike Evans.
Really Evans made a ton of plays for Manziel, but it wasn't just Evans. Manziel must have cohesion within the offense. They have to sync and come back to the QB, make plays in a freestyle manner when he's scrambling. That is going to be the hardest part, finding the guys able to do that. High football IQs and big bodies, good hands; no, great hands. We also have been spoiled with Alex Mack. What a tank. Losing him was like losing half the country in a war. What an impact a player like that has. Even Joe Thomas struggled without Mack anchoring the line.
Gotta get some really good "big uglies" to finish that damn line, once and for all.
I honestly can't tell if you're fucking around or dead serious..?
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Mik, do you not like Mariota? Or Winston?
If it's about him being to HIGH a PICK, You're telling me that They wouldn't trade the number 1 overall for both our first rounders and some more stuff?
I don't know how I feel just yet about draft picks until I break it all down.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Anyone else getting that Vibe from Haslam, Farmer, & Pettine?
I can guarantee knowing what they know now with all the off field stories, the abysmal Monday Night game, media frenzy, and all the hype they wouldn't of drafted him. I bet they would have stayed pat at 26 and taken Bridgewater or Carr. I don't know why, I'm just getting that vibe.
Anyone else getting that Vibe from Haslam, Farmer, & Pettine?
I can guarantee knowing what they know now with all the off field stories, the abysmal Monday Night game, media frenzy, and all the hype they wouldn't of drafted him. I bet they would have stayed pat at 26 and taken Bridgewater or Carr. I don't know why, I'm just getting that vibe.
The "vibe" I get is you suck balls.
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Mik, do you not like Mariota? Or Winston?
If it's about him being to HIGH a PICK, You're telling me that They wouldn't trade the number 1 overall for both our first rounders and some more stuff?
I don't know how I feel just yet about draft picks until I break it all down.
Mik, do you not like Mariota? Or Winston?
If it's about him being to HIGH a PICK, You're telling me that They wouldn't trade the number 1 overall for both our first rounders and some more stuff?
I don't know how I feel just yet about draft picks until I break it all down.
love mariota but i wouldn't want our FO to even think about giving soooo much away to get ONE player when we need like TEN.
that's only something you do when everything is set on both sides of the ball except that one piece. the injuries this year have opened a lot of people's eyes to what needs to be done.
DL OL DL OL LB WR OL DL and you can spin that anyway you want to.
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Hoyer is a big "Maybe" for next year. He may be here or he may not be. It's really all on him, if he thinks he'll get a better shot at being the starter somewhere else, then so be it. He's never going to get as much support than he is at home. If he's the best, he'll play. And if that stuff about playing was all a bunch of PR then it don't really care if he goes. I'd give my an eye to play for Cleveland, maybe even one of my balls. HA!
Manziel is going to need some time. Maybe the light turns on this next year, maybe not. Rodgers took a few years to mature into the pro that he is. There is no rush. He's either ready or he's not. You're not going to eat a half frozen pizza, are you? Johnny is in the wings.
We have Shaw... another Maybe, developing player in the wings.
We most certainly will take another shot at the QB position this draft. You either have the guy or you're trying to get the guy. If the Browns can make a play on the #1 QB, the will by all means do it.
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Mik, do you not like Mariota? Or Winston?
If it's about him being to HIGH a PICK, You're telling me that They wouldn't trade the number 1 overall for both our first rounders and some more stuff?
I don't know how I feel just yet about draft picks until I break it all down.
love mariota but i wouldn't want our FO to even think about giving soooo much away to get ONE player when we need like TEN.
that's only something you do when everything is set on both sides of the ball except that one piece. the injuries this year have opened a lot of people's eyes to what needs to be done.
DL OL DL OL LB WR OL DL and you can spin that anyway you want to.
love mariota but i wouldn't want our FO to even think about giving soooo much away to get ONE player when we need like TEN.
that's only something you do when everything is set on both sides of the ball except that one piece. the injuries this year have opened a lot of people's eyes to what needs to be done.
DL OL DL OL LB WR OL DL and you can spin that anyway you want to.
Damn mik, you need to turn in your insanity papers. You're making too damn much sense. It's Linemen dammit!
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Mik- I'm not disrespecting or anything but really, we need ANOTHER DL?
Once Phil, Rubin, Bryant, Bryant, Hughes, Winn, and some others come back from injury, 100% we will be in good shape on the DL next year. We can't afford more backup players from 1st round picks.
Our LB's are solid. Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, Dansby, Robertson, Kirksey and a few others are all solid. We might be on the lookout for Dansby's replacement sooner rather than later but really, we're not that bad off at LB.
Our Secondary is tops in the league. We're sitting pretty nice once Haden, Gilbert, Skrine, Witner and Gibson are all back out there. We have several young players with some skill too. Williams and Desir will continue to improve.
There is a lot of young talent right now that just needs to develop and mature, to gel together and improve.
The offense is in a similar state. Time and patience and improvement are needed.
But, is throwing more young players at the problem going to fix it or just compound it. IMO, NOW is the perfect time to strike for a TOP QB. We have the ammo and the need. Let's just do it, make a play for a change. We are seriously like an OL and a Franchise QB away from a Championship caliber team.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Mik- I'm not disrespecting or anything but really, we need ANOTHER DL?
Once Phil, Rubin, Bryant, Bryant, Hughes, Winn, and some others come back from injury, 100% we will be in good shape on the DL next year. We can't afford more backup players from 1st round picks.
Our LB's are solid. Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, Dansby, Robertson, Kirksey and a few others are all solid. We might be on the lookout for Dansby's replacement sooner rather than later but really, we're not that bad off at LB.
Our Secondary is tops in the league. We're sitting pretty nice once Haden, Gilbert, Skrine, Witner and Gibson are all back out there. We have several young players with some skill too. Williams and Desir will continue to improve.
There is a lot of young talent right now that just needs to develop and mature, to gel together and improve.
The offense is in a similar state. Time and patience and improvement are needed.
But, is throwing more young players at the problem going to fix it or just compound it. IMO, NOW is the perfect time to strike for a TOP QB. We have the ammo and the need. Let's just do it, make a play for a change. We are seriously like an OL and a Franchise QB away from a Championship caliber team.
Mik- I'm not disrespecting or anything but really, we need ANOTHER DL?
Once Phil, Rubin, Bryant, Bryant, Hughes, Winn, and some others come back from injury, 100% we will be in good shape on the DL next year. We can't afford more backup players from 1st round picks.
Our LB's are solid. Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, Dansby, Robertson, Kirksey and a few others are all solid. We might be on the lookout for Dansby's replacement sooner rather than later but really, we're not that bad off at LB.
Our Secondary is tops in the league. We're sitting pretty nice once Haden, Gilbert, Skrine, Witner and Gibson are all back out there. We have several young players with some skill too. Williams and Desir will continue to improve.
There is a lot of young talent right now that just needs to develop and mature, to gel together and improve.
The offense is in a similar state. Time and patience and improvement are needed.
But, is throwing more young players at the problem going to fix it or just compound it. IMO, NOW is the perfect time to strike for a TOP QB. We have the ammo and the need. Let's just do it, make a play for a change. We are seriously like an OL and a Franchise QB away from a Championship caliber team.
Kruger and Dansby are the only above avg LBers we have. The rest are mediocre at best. Mingo has the athleticism but doesn't understand the concept of setting the edge. Time and time again the dumbass allows a rb or qb to get to the sidelines because he gets sucked into the middle. Great example is Cam's rushing TD yesterday. He also has no real pass rushing moves. Sheard, Kirksey, and Robertson are awful in pass coverage and not much better against the run. I would love a young LB in the draft. God knows we need one..
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there are salary issues with half our DL who are/were hurt and have been hurt for multiple years now. sure i love phil and rubin but if you can only last 2 games a season.......
our OL has sucked on the right side now for going on 5 years but no one will accept it thinking that schwartz is fine. the stats and the OL grades might be there for him but he sure doesn't pass the eye test. and who's to say these guys come back 100%. browns came into the season with the deepest defensive back roster and they are now down to their last 2 guys. so imagine what happens when your center of your OL and DL go out for the season 3 games in?
you're pretty much fucked unless you have a great plan B which we did except for the center and DL (DT run stoppers).
plan B is now plan C with no QBs, no center, no run stoppers, no blah blahblahblah blah.
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Mik- I'm not disrespecting or anything but really, we need ANOTHER DL?
Once Phil, Rubin, Bryant, Bryant, Hughes, Winn, and some others come back from injury, 100% we will be in good shape on the DL next year. We can't afford more backup players from 1st round picks.
Our LB's are solid. Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, Dansby, Robertson, Kirksey and a few others are all solid. We might be on the lookout for Dansby's replacement sooner rather than later but really, we're not that bad off at LB.
Our Secondary is tops in the league. We're sitting pretty nice once Haden, Gilbert, Skrine, Witner and Gibson are all back out there. We have several young players with some skill too. Williams and Desir will continue to improve.
There is a lot of young talent right now that just needs to develop and mature, to gel together and improve.
The offense is in a similar state. Time and patience and improvement are needed.
But, is throwing more young players at the problem going to fix it or just compound it. IMO, NOW is the perfect time to strike for a TOP QB. We have the ammo and the need. Let's just do it, make a play for a change. We are seriously like an OL and a Franchise QB away from a Championship caliber team.
Mik- I'm not disrespecting or anything but really, we need ANOTHER DL?
Once Phil, Rubin, Bryant, Bryant, Hughes, Winn, and some others come back from injury, 100% we will be in good shape on the DL next year. We can't afford more backup players from 1st round picks.
Our LB's are solid. Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, Dansby, Robertson, Kirksey and a few others are all solid. We might be on the lookout for Dansby's replacement sooner rather than later but really, we're not that bad off at LB.
Our Secondary is tops in the league. We're sitting pretty nice once Haden, Gilbert, Skrine, Witner and Gibson are all back out there. We have several young players with some skill too. Williams and Desir will continue to improve.
There is a lot of young talent right now that just needs to develop and mature, to gel together and improve.
The offense is in a similar state. Time and patience and improvement are needed.
But, is throwing more young players at the problem going to fix it or just compound it. IMO, NOW is the perfect time to strike for a TOP QB. We have the ammo and the need. Let's just do it, make a play for a change. We are seriously like an OL and a Franchise QB away from a Championship caliber team.
Rub is going to be gone in the off season. Big Phil's injury wasn't as severe as Monty's but you have concerns between them and Hughes if they'll be back 100%. Look at how long its taken Geno Smith to round into form. As it stands we have... 4.. healthy lineman? Its BPA. If BPA dictates a DL pick, then by all means go ahead. I've said since mid season, I want a fucking monster 3 tech player. I'm still convince that's Malcolm Brown from Texas.
It is not the perfect time to strike for a top QB because of the top two QB"s this year, one has seriously regressed mentally and the other runs an offense in no way conducive to the NFL with his own mental mistakes to boot. You can't keep sinking top 10 picks on QB's with these types of question marks. We made a play this year, traded up for Foosball, look how that's panned out so far.
Hell, I'd like to see DL, pass rusher, WR, OL. I'd be giddy as fuck with a draft like that. Shore up the lines and take a good defense to a championship level.
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but walter, you were screaming to take manziel (along with clowney, bortles, robinson, watkins, mack, and everyone else in the first round).
now you see how things pan out and youskim off the fat and proclaim we shoulda woulda coulda.
typical bandwagon behavior.
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