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Last years Seahawk D proved a great D trumps any QB. Attack them.

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  • bbedward bbedwardB Conversation Starter Reacting Well Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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    #1 rushing YPG

    #29 passing YPG on offense.

    #1 defensive passing and rushing YPG.

    They have an efficient and time consuming offensive with a nasty defense. That's my type of team.

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      T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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      Seahawks have a better 3rd string RB than any of our 1st stringers. They also have a real defensive front 7 with no holes to exploit. It's a bad joke that with all the low picks the Browns have had over the years we could not have matched that building effort. We need another $100,000 study to determine what they did vs. what the Browns did with an explicit long term plan to correct past mistakes going forward. If we are also going to keep JF then we need to study what was actually working for him that CAN translate to the pros. Here's a hint-he rarely used the pistol and he rarely used the read option. Too dangerous for a small QB.

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        Seahawks have a better 3rd string RB than any of our 1st stringers. They also have a real defensive front 7 with no holes to exploit. It's a bad joke that with all the low picks the Browns have had over the years we could not have matched that building effort. We need another $100,000 study to determine what they did vs. what the Browns did with an explicit long term plan to correct past mistakes going forward. If we are also going to keep JF then we need to study what was actually working for him that CAN translate to the pros. Here's a hint-he rarely used the pistol and he rarely used the read option. Too dangerous for a small QB.

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        MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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        @texasag1969 said:

        If we are also going to keep JF then we need to study what was actually working for him that CAN translate to the pros.

        That is a pretty short list.

        My main issue is that he cant do what other QB's do. To create a system that caters just to one player is death....especially is he gets hurt.....

        Gimme prototype QB play....not studies on how to get my QB to work right

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          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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          From what I have seen of Crowell he hits a hole if it is there and makes decent yardage. I just see time after time the O line not giving him any openings. The Browns did have a running game with Mack as center and it disappeared after Mack got hurt.

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            @texasag1969 said:

            If we are also going to keep JF then we need to study what was actually working for him that CAN translate to the pros.

            That is a pretty short list.

            My main issue is that he cant do what other QB's do. To create a system that caters just to one player is death....especially is he gets hurt.....

            Gimme prototype QB play....not studies on how to get my QB to work right

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            T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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            @mudfly said:

            That is a pretty short list.

            My main issue is that he cant do what other QB's do. To create a system that caters just to one player is death....especially is he gets hurt.....

            Gimme prototype QB play....not studies on how to get my QB to work right

            I agree Mudfly. The key words here are "if we retain him". My own thought is that the Browns will not do so. History is on my side for that decision, so they have to maximize the trade now while he still has some value. Running him in the pistol and read option is going to fuck him up big time and then he has no value to anyone.

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              MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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              Yeah, I have no idea what they'll do with him, honestly.....

              And, in fairness to what you're saying, I think they're not sure how to use him either.

              Just not sure if thats a coaching problem, system problem or Johnny problem.

              So, for one player, do you start changing the whole system, coaches, etc????

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                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                I don't believe it could have been more disastrous for Manziel than this. He loses out to Hoyer to start the season (which was the right decision) and then when he comes in late in the year the offense gets shut out and they look terrible. The Browns look to start him the last few games of the year to try and evaluate him and he promptly get's hurt the following game and is out for the season. Pettine is being very diplomatic when his evaluation of Manziel is that he shows flashes of an NFL quarterback in practice. I am not a Manziel hater, I wanted him to succeed here but this really has been an awful showing by Heisman winner Manziel. If I had my choice I would want Hoyer starting next year.

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                  Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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                  Agree with Mudfly

                  DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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                    Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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                    Although the first two picks in the draft haven't shown up, Farmer did show he knew talent in later rounds. I do think that we are heading in the right direction and I'm excited for the draft. Pettine seems like a good fit for a club that needs to learn how to win. I'm convinced they will address their needs and act accordingly in the off season. It's going to be a long off season again though.

                    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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                      Seahawks have a better 3rd string RB than any of our 1st stringers. They also have a real defensive front 7 with no holes to exploit. It's a bad joke that with all the low picks the Browns have had over the years we could not have matched that building effort. We need another $100,000 study to determine what they did vs. what the Browns did with an explicit long term plan to correct past mistakes going forward. If we are also going to keep JF then we need to study what was actually working for him that CAN translate to the pros. Here's a hint-he rarely used the pistol and he rarely used the read option. Too dangerous for a small QB.

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      Seahawks have a better 3rd string RB than any of our 1st stringers. They also have a real defensive front 7 with no holes to exploit. If we are also going to keep JF then we need to study what was actually working for him that CAN translate to the pros. Here's a hint-he rarely used the pistol and he rarely used the read option. Too dangerous for a small QB.

                      First, who's this "we"? You got an elf in your pocket? 😉

                      Second, define "rarely". Been a while, but I seem to remember read options run out of the shotgun.

                      Third, study? We have you. What worked for him? If you called Sumlin, what would he say he did to maximize Johnny's contribution?

                      @texasag1969 said:

                      I agree Mudfly. The key words here are "if we retain him". My own thought is that the Browns will not do so. History is on my side for that decision, so they have to maximize the trade now while he still has some value. Running him in the pistol and read option is going to fuck him up big time and then he has no value to anyone.

                      I remember the last guy that proclaimed how history would see his predictions. You are not that guy... hank God...

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