Dansby and Whitner call out Gilbert
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"It's time to grow up and not be a kid anymore. It's a wasted year for him," Whitner said. "There were so many ups, so many downs -- a lot of it has been brought on by himself. He has to look himself in the mirror like Karlos [Dansby]said, he has to understand what he did wrong, what he needs to get better at, and make sure that you're back here working out from day one when we return here to show everybody you have a good attitude and you want to go out there and be the player they drafted you to be."
This is fucking sad and embarrassing. 4th god damn pick in the draft and instead of Watkins, Evans, Mack, Beckham, Barr, Martin, Mosley and we end up with this guy. Shame on Farmer/Haslam/Pettine for lack of due diligence.
"It's time to grow up and not be a kid anymore. It's a wasted year for him," Whitner said. "There were so many ups, so many downs -- a lot of it has been brought on by himself. He has to look himself in the mirror like Karlos [Dansby]said, he has to understand what he did wrong, what he needs to get better at, and make sure that you're back here working out from day one when we return here to show everybody you have a good attitude and you want to go out there and be the player they drafted you to be."
This is fucking sad and embarrassing. 4th god damn pick in the draft and instead of Watkins, Evans, Mack, Beckham, Barr, Martin, Mosley and we end up with this guy. Shame on Farmer/Haslam/Pettine for lack of due diligence.
We should have gone with Mack
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We just LAY WASTE and fuck up every pick. Other than Haden, Thomas, and Mack it's been a complete disaster.
These GM's, coaches, and owners make millions of fucking dollars, how hard can it be?
Phil Taylor is the definition of average (passed on Jones, Watt, Kerrigan, Quinn,)
I wanted Watt/Kerrigan/or Quinn that year because I wanted a badass pass rusher.
Trent Richardson is a RB we took 3rd overall and Brandon Weeden is a 30 year old back up
I wanted RG3 but after the skins traded for him I wanted Blackmon (thank god we didn't pull the trigger on either) and David Decastro at 22
Barkevious Mingo has no business starting professional football and is a situational pass rusher/special teamer.
I wanted Tyler Eifert and Tyran Matheiu that year.
Justin Gilbert is a complete bust and we passed on some fucking guaranteed pro bowlers
I will admit I wanted Manziel up until I found out Gordon was gone the day after the draft I wanted Watkins. I would have taken Watkins knowing what they knew
Johnny Manziel has just not given a fuck and looked like dog shit.
At 26, I would have taken Xavier Sau Filo or Jordan Mathews
I know this is hindsight, but here's my fucking point:
I'm a fucking guy who makes less than 6 figures a year with little to no football knowledge other than what I see on TV and I can draft better than these fucking clowns. I've never played beyond 9th grade and I can do fucking better.
We just LAY WASTE and fuck up every pick. Other than Haden, Thomas, and Mack it's been a complete disaster.
These GM's, coaches, and owners make millions of fucking dollars, how hard can it be?
Phil Taylor is the definition of average (passed on Jones, Watt, Kerrigan, Quinn,)
I wanted Watt/Kerrigan/or Quinn that year because I wanted a badass pass rusher.
Trent Richardson is a RB we took 3rd overall and Brandon Weeden is a 30 year old back up
I wanted RG3 but after the skins traded for him I wanted Blackmon (thank god we didn't pull the trigger on either) and David Decastro at 22
Barkevious Mingo has no business starting professional football and is a situational pass rusher/special teamer.
I wanted Tyler Eifert and Tyran Matheiu that year.
Justin Gilbert is a complete bust and we passed on some fucking guaranteed pro bowlers
I will admit I wanted Manziel up until I found out Gordon was gone the day after the draft I wanted Watkins. I would have taken Watkins knowing what they knew
Johnny Manziel has just not given a fuck and looked like dog shit.
At 26, I would have taken Xavier Sau Filo or Jordan Mathews
Pettine sits him because he had a "bad week of practice" what does that mean? Then the teammates call him out for acting like a prima dona and feeling entitled to start. Our front office is supposed to do their "due diligence" what else are they getting paid for. We sit at home watching the combine and tracking the draft. What's the excuse for this? It's like the old regime with different names.
I know this is hindsight, but here's my fucking point:
I'm a fucking guy who makes less than 6 figures a year with little to no football knowledge other than what I see on TV and I can draft better than these fucking clowns. I've never played beyond 9th grade and I can do fucking better.
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I still think Mingo can turn into a beast. We've seen a couple good games of late from him. Next year should be his corner turning year.
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The issues the leaders are referring to are not ones of the inability to play at an NFL level. Please put that out of your mind.
They're issues of maturity and dedication, some things that a handful of players go through. Many rise above it, although it can take time.
I have a feeling with Haden playing the same position that Gilbert will right the course.
Like I said, I don't have insider knowledge but Pettine loves the hot-hand, especially people that excel at practice. My guess is Gilbert got a bit too full of himself
and didn't put in the necessary work throughout the week. Hence, not being in the lineup. This coaching staff has made it blatantly clear that you will put full effort into
practice or you wont play.
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Sorry Mik, we realize he was your boy, but he is a bust.
Sorry Mik, we realize he was your boy, but he is a bust.
no apologies necessary for me. if he turns out great, great. if not, it'd wouldn't be the first time, nor the last, i'm sure. but i highly doubt they give up on the kid after his rookie season.
i mean at least he looks like he can play in this league. i guess his practice habits need to be adjusted.....
what'd it take dre kirkpatrick 3 years to start looking like the player they drafted in the first round out of alabama.
unlike manziel these guys have the speed and athletic ability to play in the nfl. but i guess like manziel he has more important things to do than give 110% to the organization at this time.
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Even though I was literally begging the football gods for us to take Werner that year, I'm not even close to giving up on Mingo. Mingo ain't been used right since he got here. He's a situational pass rusher with his hands down or a 4-3 blitzing OLB'er like Von Miller. He would be unblockable if put in the right positions...but in this current defense we put him right infront of a OT with at least 60lbs on him. When we do drop him in coverage he does very well but it doesn't show on TV. He's another reason why I want us to move to a 4-3. We can still sporadically sub him in at DE but he would be much more natural as the OLB'er. Werner would have been nice though...I'm really surprised Horton didn't take him that year if we were looking to convert a DE to OLB'er
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It looks like most are angry because he "tweeted" this, but as usual OP has the facts skewed....
Does anyone checks facts or sources anymore???
If it makes a difference, these are just words from a conference call - interview where he was asked about Gilbert.
Her's a link to the "whole" story...aka comments.....I dont see anything wrong here....
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/karlos_dansby_on_struggling_ro.html
It looks like most are angry because he "tweeted" this, but as usual OP has the facts skewed....
Does anyone checks facts or sources anymore???
If it makes a difference, these are just words from a conference call - interview where he was asked about Gilbert.
Her's a link to the "whole" story...aka comments.....I dont see anything wrong here....
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/karlos_dansby_on_struggling_ro.html
Thanks for shedding light...
Still find this tidbit in the article a little disturbing:
"The inside linebacker and Gilbert haven't spoken, Dansby said, but he would welcome the opportunity."
I would think a leader would go to the kid and say face to face, "Our Defense needs for you to get better. I think I can help you get better. All you have to do is ask."
To have these vets doing this so openly means Gilbert has really been a locker room cancer. I'd go so far as to say these messages are rooted in the coaching staff.
Can't go that as far as "cancer". Prideful? Perplexed? Maybe even "lost" or "depressed"? Sure.
Just saying that going from "Pick-6 Near-Hero" to essentially benched might mess with his head.
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All those complaining about 1st round draft picks....WW you're comparing yourself to numerous FOs that have been here and gone. Revolving door with some being not good for this team (2012 probably the pinnacle year of 1st round draft disaster). I'm not ruling out Gilbert yet, and we know what the rumors are on the Manziel pick. The rest of the picks and FA choices made by Farmer and Co. were anywhere between shrewd to brilliant.
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maybe we can convert JFF to JPR Johnny Punt Returner
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I see this as a good thing. This is not a mutiny, These are veteran players who have bought into Pettine's philosophy, believe it will make them a winning football team and you have a few hold outs they are telling to get on board.
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Take the Draft/FA pick-ups as a whole, wanna cry about players that we don't know for sure will bust? Complain about the diamonds in the rough this FO has found as well. take to the streets with your "fuck Bitonio, K'waun, Kirskey, West, Crowell, Desir" campaign. You kids sure can bitch. God damn I wish we had the same roster we did under Chud, who do these new guys think they are winning more than 4 games?!
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Positive tough love from the veterans on the team. If Gilbert was a true bust they say nothing and concern themselves on younger players that need the motivation. Think about it a second they call out Gilbert and not Johnny. Johnny is a true bust.
Positive tough love from the veterans on the team. If Gilbert was a true bust they say nothing and concern themselves on younger players that need the motivation. Think about it a second they call out Gilbert and not Johnny. Johnny is a true bust.
Just for you cdl15:
The differences are that JF called himself out and the second being it was two defensive players calling out their defensive teammate who so far has not publicly acknowledged anything needs changing. If you read both articles I think it appears all are surprised (Pettine included) that JF feels he was not doing enough to take it as seriously as his real first time job, not just a game which has come easy at every level until now.
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what a bunch of flipping fools.
do me a favor. if you want to bitch about something and sound like an adult can you at least get your spelling and grammar up to speed?
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The 14 draft was worse than the Richardson and Weetard draft. Unreal that we can shit all over 2 first rounders with such consistency.
I'm fucking scared to see who we take next April.
And for those of you who are about to try to stick up for Gilbert or Manziel, wake the F up. You're, AT BEST, wishful thinking. Real evidence shows both are fucking headcases, and fuckin suck.
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Here's the real issue.
When you're short on talent, high first round picks are SUPPOSED to be impact players. Gilbert was SUPPOSED to come in, beat out Buster and give us the most feared secondary in the league freeing up an extra person to rush the an/ stuff the run.
It didn't happen.
For such a high profile draft pick to not only fail to make the desired impact, but also fail to even see significant time, REALLY makes our scouting department look like a bunch of idiots.
A first round pick is supposed to be a no brainer, an instant starter unless your team is overflowing with talent, which we're not.
So to blow 2 1st round picks in the SAME YEAR REALLY, REALLY makes the scouting department look like a bunch of morons.
Something is desperately wrong with them, or Jimmy is barking orders and making them look bad. I don't know, pick one.
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Here's the real issue.
When you're short on talent, high first round picks are SUPPOSED to be impact players. Gilbert was SUPPOSED to come in, beat out Buster and give us the most feared secondary in the league freeing up an extra person to rush the an/ stuff the run.
It didn't happen.
For such a high profile draft pick to not only fail to make the desired impact, but also fail to even see significant time, REALLY makes our scouting department look like a bunch of idiots.
A first round pick is supposed to be a no brainer, an instant starter unless your team is overflowing with talent, which we're not.
So to blow 2 1st round picks in the SAME YEAR REALLY, REALLY makes the scouting department look like a bunch of morons.
Something is desperately wrong with them, or Jimmy is barking orders and making them look bad. I don't know, pick one.
Here's the real issue.
When you're short on talent, high first round picks are SUPPOSED to be impact players. Gilbert was SUPPOSED to come in, beat out Buster and give us the most feared secondary in the league freeing up an extra person to rush the an/ stuff the run.
It didn't happen.
For such a high profile draft pick to not only fail to make the desired impact, but also fail to even see significant time, REALLY makes our scouting department look like a bunch of idiots.
A first round pick is supposed to be a no brainer, an instant starter unless your team is overflowing with talent, which we're not.
So to blow 2 1st round picks in the SAME YEAR REALLY, REALLY makes the scouting department look like a bunch of morons.
Something is desperately wrong with them, or Jimmy is barking orders and making them look bad. I don't know, pick one.
Watch what you say, in here the opinion is you have to be a combination of Superman and a rocket scientist to play corner in the NFL.
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