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I think we should trade Gordon now while we can still get something for him

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  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #10

    Trade him for Mike Evans and a 1st and 3rd rounder (the one we get from Jerry for taking JM off our hands). Retain JM Clone CS and sign Hoyer to a decent contract with performance incentives built in. With a better and healthier line I think BH could actually be "the one" who can actually win in Cleveland. Getting rid of JM will retain him and take away all that pressure.

  • T TexasAg1969

    Trade him for Mike Evans and a 1st and 3rd rounder (the one we get from Jerry for taking JM off our hands). Retain JM Clone CS and sign Hoyer to a decent contract with performance incentives built in. With a better and healthier line I think BH could actually be "the one" who can actually win in Cleveland. Getting rid of JM will retain him and take away all that pressure.

    tml1138T tml1138 wrote on
    #11

    @texasag1969 said:

    Trade him for Mike Evans and a 1st and 3rd rounder (the one we get from Jerry for taking JM off our hands). Retain JM Clone CS and sign Hoyer to a decent contract with performance incentives built in. With a better and healthier line I think BH could actually be "the one" who can actually win in Cleveland. Getting rid of JM will retain him and take away all that pressure.

    I can't tell at this point if you're being sarcastic or serious. Either way, I'm for your all of your ideas presented here. Lol. Except we won't get Evans from TB.

    A key part you mentioned here that I'd like to address, is that I've been thinking about Hoyer too, and have the same idea that with a really good team around him, he can succeed here. Except I have doubts that it'll work out to keep him here.

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  • tml1138T tml1138 wrote on
    #12

    And should JM stay, I'll still support him as a Brown. I hope then he comes back next year humbled and much more ready, with a better sense of self-preservation.

  • tml1138T tml1138

    @texasag1969 said:

    Trade him for Mike Evans and a 1st and 3rd rounder (the one we get from Jerry for taking JM off our hands). Retain JM Clone CS and sign Hoyer to a decent contract with performance incentives built in. With a better and healthier line I think BH could actually be "the one" who can actually win in Cleveland. Getting rid of JM will retain him and take away all that pressure.

    I can't tell at this point if you're being sarcastic or serious. Either way, I'm for your all of your ideas presented here. Lol. Except we won't get Evans from TB.

    A key part you mentioned here that I'd like to address, is that I've been thinking about Hoyer too, and have the same idea that with a really good team around him, he can succeed here. Except I have doubts that it'll work out to keep him here.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #13

    @tml1138 said:

    I can't tell at this point if you're being sarcastic or serious. Either way, I'm for your all of your ideas presented here. Lol. Except we won't get Evans from TB.

    A key part you mentioned here that I'd like to address, is that I've been thinking about Hoyer too, and have the same idea that with a really good team around him, he can succeed here. Except I have doubts that it'll work out to keep him here.

    Just a bit of both. It will take more than a 1st and a 3rd to get Evans from them. Might have to throw in Gilbert too since Desir is turning into gold. And I think Hoyer will stay if the Browns trade of JM. Regardless of the party line I don't think Hoyer wants him on the team.

  • BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on
    #14

    I agree with comments about Josh Gordon and just dropping his ass. We need someone that cares, plain and simple. Being at Sunday's game, there were several times, when at the line, the guy stood there as if he had no clue about what his role was in the play. Then, either JFF or Hoyer had to tell him what to do before the snap by telling him to get off the line or be on the line, or stand closer to the Oline, and other BS. A few times he would be open, you could see the disdain in his body language when the ball was not thrown his way. I get that from a WR, but damn, off the ball, he's not trying to get separation if he's not #1.

  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31 wrote on
    #15

    gordon proved how good he was last year, he clearly is no where near being in football shape along with the fact he was not able to practice any plays in the playbook during his time off. It would be pure stupidity to part ways with him now. Especially with the crap play from the QB position this season

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Guess what.... other teams can see what we see....

    Here's a guy who's had "almost" one good full season, out of 3 years in the league....

    And, after sitting 10 weeks, has returned and done zip....including give effort....

    And he also has multiple strikes against him, so will be banned if he does ONE more thing wrong...

    Aint no one giving us a first or second round pick for him...no one.....

    We just gotta ride this horse and hope he comes up big...again....someday....maybe....

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #16

    @mudfly said:

    Guess what.... other teams can see what we see....

    Good post... I've a couple thoughts to add that I've not seen here: Josh's route discipline and ability to read D's.

    Other than bubble screens and crosses we've not seen any connections with him in 2014... not that I can recall anyway. What we have seen are balls on the ground followed by Josh and his QB looking annoyed and/or perplexed with the other simultaneously. A couple attributable to errant throws. A couple attributable to underwhelming speed of foot. But most simply due to not either not seeing the same D coverage or reacting the read coverage the same way.

    Maybe Josh can't read coverage. Maybe he never could. Maybe under Patsy and Norv he was never asked to. We know Wheezy couldn't. We know Wheezy looked for open receivers and had an arm that could not be outrun. They hooked up on some bombs. They combined for a chunk of his league-leading yardage.

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  • U Unsympathetic wrote on
    #17

    Also, we had to cut Charles Johnson to make roster space for JG.

    Johnson is now Minn's #1.. would have looked nice in Brown.

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #18

    Man, it's amazing how quickly people shit on players here... and how quickly they elevate them to god status...

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    let's trade JT and haden now too.

    you're an idiot.

    B browns52 wrote on
    #19

    @miktoxic said:

    let's trade JT and haden now too.

    you're an idiot.

    trade the druggie....you think this idiot is hanging out with guys like jerry rice so he can learn how to be a pro on and off the field...this guy is lazy and will probably get busted again...he has issues and it appears that he is not addressing them...how the fuck can you plan offseason knowing that at any moment the f.o might get a call that this asshole got busted again..jt and haden are hard working players...this jackass is not...

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Man, it's amazing how quickly people shit on players here... and how quickly they elevate them to god status...

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #20

    @mld-woody said:

    Man, it's amazing how quickly people shit on players here... and how quickly they elevate them to god status...

    Fucking aye Woody.

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  • U Unsympathetic

    Also, we had to cut Charles Johnson to make roster space for JG.

    Johnson is now Minn's #1.. would have looked nice in Brown.

    ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on
    #21

    @unsympathetic said:

    Also, we had to cut Charles Johnson to make roster space for JG.

    Johnson is now Minn's #1.. would have looked nice in Brown.

    Yep. I thought that kid had a lot of potential
  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31

    gordon proved how good he was last year, he clearly is no where near being in football shape along with the fact he was not able to practice any plays in the playbook during his time off. It would be pure stupidity to part ways with him now. Especially with the crap play from the QB position this season

    B browns52 wrote on
    #22

    @topdawg31 said:

    gordon proved how good he was last year, he clearly is no where near being in football shape along with the fact he was not able to practice any plays in the playbook during his time off. It would be pure stupidity to part ways with him now. Especially with the crap play from the QB position this season

    i don't know about that....when was crabtree injured for most of the season...not sure, might have been last yr...he didn't look too bad when he was back on the field..at least he wasn't throwing his hands up in the air when something went wrong. sure the qb position ended up on a downward spiral, but that was the f.o. friggin fault...they put hoyer in a micromanged postion where he had to be constantly looking over his shoulder knowing that in reality, this organization wants chonnie feeble to be in there playing...its typical moronic front ofc bullshit...its been a problem from 1999 to today dec 25, 2014.

  • U Unsympathetic

    Also, we had to cut Charles Johnson to make roster space for JG.

    Johnson is now Minn's #1.. would have looked nice in Brown.

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #23

    @unsympathetic said:

    Also, we had to cut Charles Johnson to make roster space for JG.

    Johnson is now Minn's #1.. would have looked nice in Brown.

    Actually, he was cut at the end of training camp. I think Gabriel and Marlon Moore took the last two wr roster spots. Charles Johnson went to the practice squad and then the Vikings signed him to their roster toward the end of September.

    Gordon didn't take up a roster spot until he was activated in November.

    I thought Marlon Moore was the interesting keep. KO returners are no longer valuable and lots of guys on the roster can do it. He returned 13 kickoffs and did not catch a pass. I think they liked him as a gunner though.

    Zombo

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on
    #24

    All that THC in his brain cells has made his memory weak.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31 wrote on
    #25

    he was a much better WR when he was high

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Man, it's amazing how quickly people shit on players here... and how quickly they elevate them to god status...

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #26

    @mld-woody said:

    Man, it's amazing how quickly people shit on players here... and how quickly they elevate them to god status...

    Hot and cold just like some players?

    Often players have one miracle season in a career. Braylon did. Maybe Josh has had his as well, but maybe not. Let's see what he does with a full, normal 2015. I have little doubt he'll be eligible for it all.

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