Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Ummm....unreasonable fans in a forum talking about a 3 game sample being enough don't mean crap to manziel.
You loved dragging out this card, didn't you? But now it's played out. Time for some new material.
If Pettine & FO believed that he did not have "it" they would be playing off Jerry Jones as we speak to make a deal for a 3rd rounder. Jerry would take him in a heartbeat. So what is it the Browns in charge know that the Browns Board posters do not? Let's hear a legitimate answer please, not just more emotional "I never thought he'd be any good" crap. It does not matter what any of us thinks, it matters what the Browns in charge think.
Interesting contrast...
Browns Board posters knowledge level on all things Manziel... zero.
Some old Ag's knowledge of Jerry Jones' mind... infinite.
What is your evidence that Jerrah would part with a third and his son would bless such a deal?
What is your evidence that Jerrah would part with a third and his son would bless such a deal?
They have had to put a bit in his mouth for some time now because they know how much he wanted him. If you don't think he would overrule them all for a 3rd rounder, then you haven't watched him operate for the last 20 years. At some point he just has enough "advice" and does what he wants.
And this is what prompted that article:
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If the Browns could trade Manziel for a third rounder they should take that deal in a heartbeat. Those articles posted are well before Johnny was seen in prime time against the Bengals. I have to believe any prior interest in Manziel is now gone.
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Here is something out of the article to take note of. The Browns should focus on the offensive line, not the quarterback. Improve the line for Hoyer and I guarantee you will see good results.
"But the real story isn't that the people around Jones talked him out of Manziel, it's that they're responsible for protecting their current investment, Romo, by surrounding him by offensive linemen taking in the first round in three of the last four drafts (in addition to Martin, Dallas took left tackle Tyron Smith in 2011 and center Travis Frederick in 2013)."
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Here is something out of the article to take note of. The Browns should focus on the offensive line, not the quarterback. Improve the line for Hoyer and I guarantee you will see good results.
"But the real story isn't that the people around Jones talked him out of Manziel, it's that they're responsible for protecting their current investment, Romo, by surrounding him by offensive linemen taking in the first round in three of the last four drafts (in addition to Martin, Dallas took left tackle Tyron Smith in 2011 and center Travis Frederick in 2013)."
Here is something out of the article to take note of. The Browns should focus on the offensive line, not the quarterback. Improve the line for Hoyer and I guarantee you will see good results.
"But the real story isn't that the people around Jones talked him out of Manziel, it's that they're responsible for protecting their current investment, Romo, by surrounding him by offensive linemen taking in the first round in three of the last four drafts (in addition to Martin, Dallas took left tackle Tyron Smith in 2011 and center Travis Frederick in 2013)."
What our offensive line needs is real depth. Our starting five is terrific, but the hole at center has killed our interior and our run game. I would definitely draft an interior lineman in the early rounds with Mack with one year left on his contract and Greco a guy that could be replaced down the line. And start grooming a versatile tackle as well. We need three good backups, Seymour could be one of them, if they can develop him more in the off-season and camp.
Zombo
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Those articles are months old and don't apply now I'd reckon.
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Mack went out and our run game became non existent and Hoyer has looked bad as quarterback. Our running backs looked good enough before Mack was injured and same way with Hoyer. So the answer seems to me is not replacing these guys but improving the O line. It would be great if we had the luxury of trading away draft picks to get a possible franchise qb like Mariota but we have too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. I would agree with your assessment Zombo. Bring some depth into our O line. On offense it all starts with the line. That improved offensive line has made all the difference for Romo. You see it all the time in the NFL even the great qb's don't look so great when they don't have the O line to block and protect. We saw it here with Mack getting injured.
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Draft RT, move Schwartz either inside or to a backup. Bitonio is borderline All-Pro already.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Lets get a billboard in Dallas next to cowboys stadium that says "Bring Johnny Back to Texas!" That would get Jerrah for sure.
Two ways to add depth... Upgrade starters and add prospects. One of each would do nicely.
Lets get a billboard in Dallas next to cowboys stadium that says "Bring Johnny Back to Texas!" That would get Jerrah for sure.
or more simply... "Save Ferris Johnny"...
If the Browns could trade Manziel for a third rounder they should take that deal in a heartbeat. Those articles posted are well before Johnny was seen in prime time against the Bengals. I have to believe any prior interest in Manziel is now gone.
Yeah... there is that whole "now that we've seen him" thing.
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Draft RT, move Schwartz either inside or to a backup. Bitonio is borderline All-Pro already.
Draft RT, move Schwartz either inside or to a backup. Bitonio is borderline All-Pro already.
Replace Greco with Schwartz? GTFO...
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The 'now we have seen him thing' worked for me. I wanted Pettine to put Manziel in during the Colts game. After seeing him in the Bengals and Panthers game I got cured. I had to see it for myself and I know I am not the only one. Pettine of course had seen Manziel all along in practices and had to have known Manziel was not ready but too many people like myself had to see it.
Way too many people I respect in the NFL feel as I do about Manziel. Manziel may not be happy about the Browns exploring all options at quarterback for 2015 saying it is not fair to him be evaluated after only playing 7 quarters I would counter with his own statement he did not work hard enough. In his second game he goes out with an injury early only reinforcing he will not be able to stay healthy.
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Per Twitter he was fined for being late to rehab for hamstring.. Glad he's taking things serious now.
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Per Twitter he was fined for being late to rehab for hamstring.. Glad he's taking things serious now.
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Ya'll should be TMZ reporters.
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Jimmy wanted the punk, Jimmy got the punk. He will never see year 4 in the NFL.
People keep saying that. Is there any proof of that? If there is, shoot us a link. If not, at least express that as an opinion.
Do you or anyone else have proof that Haslam exerted a "veto", so to speak and selected Johnny?
Just saying
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Jimmy wanted the punk, Jimmy got the punk. He will never see year 4 in the NFL.
People keep saying that. Is there any proof of that? If there is, shoot us a link. If not, at least express that as an opinion.
Do you or anyone else have proof that Haslam exerted a "veto", so to speak and selected Johnny?
Just saying
People keep saying that. Is there any proof of that? If there is, shoot us a link. If not, at least express that as an opinion.
Do you or anyone else have proof that Haslam exerted a "veto", so to speak and selected Johnny?
Just saying
The trade up and pick reeked of desperation, and so far, Farmer hasn't shown that as a trait.
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Jimmy wanted the punk, Jimmy got the punk. He will never see year 4 in the NFL.
People keep saying that. Is there any proof of that? If there is, shoot us a link. If not, at least express that as an opinion.
Do you or anyone else have proof that Haslam exerted a "veto", so to speak and selected Johnny?
Just saying
People keep saying that. Is there any proof of that? If there is, shoot us a link. If not, at least express that as an opinion.
Do you or anyone else have proof that Haslam exerted a "veto", so to speak and selected Johnny?
Just saying
Have you NOT read about the HOMELESS man that told Jimmy to draft Johnny???
That idiot threw a 100K research out the window because a homeless person told him Johnny is the PICK.
WTF!!!
WHY!!
WHY?!?!?!?
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Per Twitter he was fined for being late to rehab for hamstring.. Glad he's taking things serious now.
Per Twitter he was fined for being late to rehab for hamstring.. Glad he's taking things serious now.
Not surprise here.
I'm so happy all the JFF fanboys are all hiding under a rock. Where are they now?
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The 'now we have seen him thing' worked for me. I wanted Pettine to put Manziel in during the Colts game. After seeing him in the Bengals and Panthers game I got cured. I had to see it for myself and I know I am not the only one. Pettine of course had seen Manziel all along in practices and had to have known Manziel was not ready but too many people like myself had to see it.
Way too many people I respect in the NFL feel as I do about Manziel. Manziel may not be happy about the Browns exploring all options at quarterback for 2015 saying it is not fair to him be evaluated after only playing 7 quarters I would counter with his own statement he did not work hard enough. In his second game he goes out with an injury early only reinforcing he will not be able to stay healthy.
Manziel may not be happy about the Browns exploring all options at quarterback for 2015 saying it is not fair to him be evaluated after only playing 7 quarters I would counter with his own statement he did not work hard enough.
It isn't about the 7 quarters but lack of preparation.
All the offseason stuff, the parties, the lack of understanding the playbook, etc.
Idiot still thinks he is in college and partying it up. The NFL don't wait for people to MATURE. You either prepare your butts off until you get called. When your time is up, you either shine or crash and burn.
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Being on IR required he go to treatment. He was not late. He didn't show up. The team had to send security to get him because he also didn't answer his phone.
Arrogance is not the same as confidence. Kid is an arrogant prick that has never been held accountable because he was the star QB. He has been trained to handle the media with words. His actions don't back those words up. Part of the problem is his celebrity status. He can do whatever he wants and people want to know every move he makes. Can anyone name another back up QB who had a weekly Friday presser?
Miles Austin has been on IR for weeks now and has been to every walk thru even though it wasn't required. True professional. Johnny is about as far from that as it gets.
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