Position by position ranking AFCN
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@douche-nozzle said:
You can't base talent on ifs and wishes like The Yapper did. The Browns have the forth best WR in the division until Gordon proves he's the real deal...... Crowell, despite his nice year, is light years away from Bell and even Hill..... and the bottom line is that until the Browns get a solid "team" with a better than average QB, none of that even matters. And remember that the Browns defense continues to be falsely good in statistics because of how pathetic the Browns offense is. When the Browns offense is not a factor, the opposing team doesn't have to rack up stats against the Browns defense.
See now you've gone and done it - I said nothing about browns WRs at all and yet you criticise me for mentioning them. What I was saying about Crowell is, behind an OL of Thomas-Bitonio-Mack/Pouncey-Yanda-??? You could put most AFCN backs in and they'd do excellently. And then you decide to just have a go at the browns in general? Perhaps I shouldn't have dared to talk about Big Ben not being perfect in every way.
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@douche-nozzle said:
If you know that the team you are playing has no offensive threat you don't have to throw the ball, you don't have to score on every drive, you just have to control the ball and eat up clock, knowing you will score a few points eventually. Conversely, when you play a team who has a powerful offense, you have to throw the ball and you have to move the chains on nearly every drive or you will lose.
Ill give you some agreement there....but still thinks we have a slightly different perspective....
That happened the last 2 games....Bengals gave up the pass for the run....BUT, I dont think it was because they "didn't need to score"....I think it's because they couldn't pass against us last game and they knew they could run. So, if we are weak against the run.....you run!....and it worked, so the Panthers followed suit.
It's not about racking up stats....its about going with what works and attacking our weakness.....
Ill give you some agreement there....but still thinks we have a slightly different perspective....
That happened the last 2 games....Bengals gave up the pass for the run....BUT, I dont think it was because they "didn't need to score"....I think it's because they couldn't pass against us last game and they knew they could run. So, if we are weak against the run.....you run!....and it worked, so the Panthers followed suit.
It's not about racking up stats....its about going with what works and attacking our weakness.....
Exactly. Teams have chosen to run the ball because our run defense pales in comparison to our pass defense. Not rocket science. Colts strength was in their pass game more than their run game, and one of the reasons it was a better showing of our D. (Although they just played better all around that day, but it had a factor.) Likewise had we been able to stop the run on Cincy, and forced Dalton to throw more, it would've been different. Not saying the outcome of the win/loss would've been different, but more turnovers I'd bet and likely not a shut-out game.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Just wondering how you feel about your little cheerleader thread now?
The talent is still there to give the edge to the Browns at these various positions. But the edge at QB still makes all the difference....Or didn't you ever realize that QB is the most important position on a football team?
And that winning/losing culture thing is still a major hurdle. (Injuries didn't help either....and don't say "injuries are not an excuse. Only a fucking moron would believe that. And even if they are not an "excuse" they are an "explanation".).
But the QB thing is always going to be an advantage.
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AFCN would probably be a little short in the QB department though - Big Ben would be the guy, but he's not in the same tier as the likes of Brady, Rodgers, Manning and Luck. Still, with Green, Brown, Stevie Smith at WR, essentially the browns OL (healthy, then with Yanda for Greco), and a lucky dip of bell, hill and crowell at RB, the offense could do serious damage. And the D would be monster.
AFCN would probably be a little short in the QB department though - Big Ben would be the guy, but he's not in the same tier as the likes of Brady, Rodgers, Manning and Luck. Still, with Green, Brown, Stevie Smith at WR, essentially the browns OL (healthy, then with Yanda for Greco), and a lucky dip of bell, hill and crowell at RB, the offense could do serious damage. And the D would be monster.
I don't understand how people are putting luck over Roethlisberger. Beyond that outside of early in his career and recently put Brady or manning behind bens offensive lines and Ben behind theirs and then come talk to me. Brady nor manning can handle any kind of pressure.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Gluehead...upside, possible, maybe, and if, are not reasons to anoint someone as having talent. As much as you wish your team was the best at something the BS you put out at the beginning of the season was just that.....BS!
Sorry if you are ignorant and stupid.
Put BR on the Browns.....and put Hoyer on the Steelers and what do you have? A much much better Browns team.
You really don't need to explain the winning/losing culture to me. That would be like me trying to explain the subtle nuances of your husband to you.
I have never seen anything nuanced about anything that you have ever posted. It is still always just ignorant Steeler fan claims of superiority...
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Yes Gipper, the losing culture is difficult to overcome.
The losing culture becomes ingrained in the the back of minds of players the moment they are drafted by the browns. Its a fact that the browns are one of the least desirable teams to play for. Few players want to be drafted by the browns.,,however, once drafted $$$$ they smile $$$$ and wear the hat and display the jersey proudly, and are truly sincere in their desire to be the best they could be and do whatever they can to make the Cleveland Browns a winner....but once the games are played and the reality of losing sets in, that "losing culture" mentality imbedded in the back of their manifests itself and the attitude becomes "oh well"...as if to say these are the browns and it was meant to be.
The opposite goes for the Steelers...its a fact that the Steelers are one of the most desirable teams to play for. A player drafted or signed by the Steelers knows he's been drafted by a perennial winner...the winning culture mentality is imbedded firmly in his mind from the get go....and he'll be damned if he's the one that's gonna bring them down! = overachievers. I've always felt that the Steelers always had them...playing above their potential because they are a Pittsburgh Steeler.
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@douche-nozzle said:
It's actually comical to see grown men who may otherwise be intelligent members of society turn into the type of idiotic buffoons you represent when it comes to the Browns.
And YOU are exhibit of the type of person who becomes a buffoon when it come to the Browns.
There are a lot of great Browns fans who deserve to see a good team before they die. You know, the fans who love the team no matter what and they accept the reality of what the Browns are and have been. Then there are asswipes like you and Zombo who make up your own reality and spew it as if it were fact.
Except, we know exactly what the Browns are and you don't. They are a team with some very good talent....but which has had bad management, bad quarterbacks and a losing attitude. That we all know. That is what we have said. Something needs to spark this team to turn it around. They are capable of laying an ass whipping on the Steelers like they did this year...but they cannot sustain that success. If Z and I are asswipes, you are the TP.
Every team has injuries every year, and no amount of injuries will ever make the talent level of a team better than the performance they exhibit on the field. Your early projections of talent by position was nothing more than hopes and dreams based on the guys wearing the Browns uniforms this year.
Yet. last year, a lot of those guys made the Pro Bowl....far more than the Steelers had make it. It wasn't based on hope or dreams but rather on the assessment of coaches and players of the NFL
And by the way, if the Browns had BR it wouldn’t make a whole lot of difference because the atmosphere around him would soon bring him down that level.
If you think that would be true, then he really is not the talent you tout him to be.
Someday maybe you will accept the reality that is the Cleveland Browns and simply love them because they are your team and stop thinking that a player here or a player there will make the difference. And maybe someday you will stop being bitter about Steeler fans who are simply more in touch with reality.
A player here or there DOES make all the difference......ask any NFL GM. Particularly if that player is a top notch QB.
Look at the Colts.....went, what? 12-4 with Peyton Manning at the helm. Then he gets injured and they go 2-12 (sure, with a little help from a tank). Next year, they get Luck.....back they are into the playoffs.
A guy that good makes a big, big difference. If you don't see that, you are stupid. A team can perform not up to par with an excellent QB......but look at the title of another thread: QBs matter. If you don't think so....you are your name. (you are anyway)
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@douche-nozzle said:
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who "has to" deal with you in life. You simply aren't worthy of further discussion.
TRANSLATION: Im too dumb to answer all that.
Z
--better to be the asswiper than the toilet paper.
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I think we have the 2nd best OLB'ers in the division. And only cause we're not really using them all that properly. Suggs and Dumer get to be basically pass rushing specialists whereas we've asked our OLB'ers to make up for some of the interior deficiencies throughout the season. If all our guys had to do is set the edge and rush the passer they'd have more similar stats to the Ravens guys. Those guys benefit a TON from that giant pacific islander fuck playing NT for the Ravens.
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I think we have the 2nd best OLB'ers in the division. And only cause we're not really using them all that properly. Suggs and Dumer get to be basically pass rushing specialists whereas we've asked our OLB'ers to make up for some of the interior deficiencies throughout the season. If all our guys had to do is set the edge and rush the passer they'd have more similar stats to the Ravens guys. Those guys benefit a TON from that giant pacific islander fuck playing NT for the Ravens.
I think we have the 2nd best OLB'ers in the division. And only cause we're not really using them all that properly. Suggs and Dumer get to be basically pass rushing specialists whereas we've asked our OLB'ers to make up for some of the interior deficiencies throughout the season. If all our guys had to do is set the edge and rush the passer they'd have more similar stats to the Ravens guys. Those guys benefit a TON from that giant pacific islander fuck playing NT for the Ravens.
If you are refering to Ngata, he is suspended and has been since week 13
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@douche-nozzle said:
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who "has to" deal with you in life. You simply aren't worthy of further discussion.
Its OK with me. I get my share of ignorant hillbillies like you to deal with. Most of the ones with 4th grade educations have more intellect however.
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@douche-nozzle said:
TRANSLATION: I'm a world class cunt! I censor what I don't like, I edit things to read the way I want them to read, I am a liar, and I cheat at solitaire (hey....it's my game, I'll cheat if I want to........and nobody else will play with me)
If all that were true, he would have censored this comment.
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@douche-nozzle said:
When you are scared to death of the truth and the people who understand it, like pusscakes is, there is not necessarily rhyme or reason to the chicken shit games he plays. Do you remember hearing about the history of small minded people who burned books because they feared people learning something other than the "flat world" beliefs they had? While there is a host of striking similarities, those people were brave by comparison to pusscakes.
Talk to yourself about yourself a lot? I thought you were just dumb. Perhaps it is more than that in reality.
Whatever it is, the letters STPD apply. Either you have a SchizoTypal Personality Disorder.....or are just STuPiD.
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