Josh Gordon suspended....again
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Gordon is a mess. Watching him this season makes me wonder how he did so well last year. He seems destined for a fall. Hopefully he responds well and is motivated for next year, but that would be a surprise.
Wasn't it manzier who has seen him driving like a madman? He seems like he has a death wish.
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Zombo said:
Excellent.
Isn't Hawkins injured as well?
Lets run the singke wing option with Shaw, Crow And West.
Assuming West felt like participating this week.
Zombo
This is a general response, Zombo, a response to the situation, not the poster.
I like to say that we are all hypocrites. We just choose WHAT we decide to be hypocritical about and WHEN is the time we do it.
Let's play the blame game?
Why was Farmer, basically, canonized by the press prior to being elevated to the role of GM, and, why do so many posters believe his track record has been anything but another disaster following disaster after disaster since 1999?
Just trying to be objective here.
This is a general response, Zombo, a response to the situation, not the poster.
I like to say that we are all hypocrites. We just choose WHAT we decide to be hypocritical about and WHEN is the time we do it.
Let's play the blame game?
Why was Farmer, basically, canonized by the press prior to being elevated to the role of GM, and, why do so many posters believe his track record has been anything but another disaster following disaster after disaster since 1999?
Just trying to be objective here.
First off, this is a thread about Josh Gordon, so you can't blame Farmer for him.
If you are alluding to the poor seasons Manziel and Gilbert had, and the poor attitude West apparently has ... yes, red flags on the GM.
It is mitigated somewhat in that Manziel is widely considered by the fanbase as a "Jimmy Pick" so Farmer doesn't get hung with that one.
Also fans are very happy with the undrafted free agents he has unearthed including Crowell, Gabriel and K'waun Williams so that eases the sting of the higher drafted guys.
Plus, Bitonio, the guy picked between Manziel and West, has had a near Pro Bowl season as a rookie, so it is a real nice feeling to hit on a high pick lineman.
West has actually been productive when his attitude allows him on the field, so should we storm Berea with torches and pitchforks after one year, looking for Farmer's scalp because of Justin Gilbert and Manziel?
Lots of rookies mature and produce in subsequent years so I think labeling this past year's draft and free agency a "disaster" because the first round hasn't worked out yet is a bit premature, don't you think? Can we just keep the same GM and coach for a few years and actually allow them to shape an entire roster before we do the torches and pitchfork act again?
Zombo
--P.S. Farmer also did a nice job in Free agency, landing veterans Dansby and Whitner that helped shape the defense that is holding opposing QBs to the lowest rating in the league.
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send gordon, west and manziel to the raiders for #5....they'll do it.....they make stupid draft decisions all the time too and they love assholish talented bad boys.....
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@everlastingxxx said:
I think it was a mistake in starting Manziel. He clearly wasnt ready. Shaw isnt either btw. You can seriously ruin players like this. They should have known better. Thats why they get paid the big bucks. BTW, Hoyer cant play because of soreness? You are fucking kidding me?
Coach Pettine himself admitted to making mistakes this season in his last press conference. I think its one thing to be a disciplinarian, but you have to create an infrastructure for these young players. I dont think there is one currently in place.
I dont like players calling out players via the media. I dont think coaches should do it either. Handle it in-house. Example, Randle of the Cowboys, got arrested this season. The police video had him saying some derogatory things about Bryant and Brent. The players didnt call him out in the media. All of it was handled in-house. I think you create distrust when you do it via the media. Man up and talk to that person to their face.
I think stopping the run is all about effort and determination. Cowboys held the Colts to 1 yard rushing last week. Cowboys have no pro-bowlers on defense, who on their front 7 would you want playing on the Browns? They hustle and fly to the ball. Browns i think at times decide to quit.
Just my humble opinion.
Well, your opinion on the defense is wrong,and your opinion on the quarterbacks is laughable.
Nobody "quit". Our scheme was so terrific at taking away the pass from teams that they figured out ways to run on us and control games that way. We shut down virtually every QB we faced after the first couple games of the season. This is the first year of this scheme, it will be improved. There will be new personnel for the Browns up front next year. You have to remember that Karlos Dansby was having an all-pro type season before he was injured. Phil Taylor was our biggest difference maker up front and he has missed most of the season. Sheard missed a lot of time. Bryant missed a lot of time. Rubin missed a lot of time. Kitchen out injured. Our front seven was like a MASH unit all year. And you can't expect the talent to match your scheme in Year One. They got the pass defense right, and next year you can bet your ass they'll be working on the run defense. If half your defense is injured and your talent doesn't match your scheme other NFL staffs are going to exploit you.
Please point out a player that quit on our defense. And please tell him to his face.
As for Manziel, what the fuck were we supposed to do with him, carry two veterans QBs and let him take up a roster spot as a third string QB all year? If you are the backup QB eventually you are going to play, you have to be ready every week. You keep acting like we could have redshirtted him or something. And why are you doubting Hoyer's injuries? The guy can't throw a football. Shaw is the obvious choice to start, he has been running the offense all year. Undrafted free agents don't get "ruined" by starting an NFL game, it's the fucking opportunity of a lifetime.
Zombo
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Everlasting, You can't seem to make up your mind on Manziel. First, you say he should have started the entire season and now you say the Browns ruined him for starting him too soon.. Whatever makes Manziel not look like a bust, right? Just put the blame on the Browns and go back to Texas. I can't wait for the Romo pick 6 that ends the cowboys season. After all, he loves to turn it over in big games..
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I agree Z man....getting a shot is never a bad thing. Lot'[s of people never get a shot, in all professions, be it NFL QB or head cook at the Waffel House.
I like Connor Shaw. I hope he makes the most of things.
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Funny thing is, he doesnt get credit for an accrued season now. Only a restricted free agent at the end of next year.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Funny thing is, he doesnt get credit for an accrued season now. Only a restricted free agent at the end of next year.
This is the key to the story. This thing is going to blow up.
There will be lawyers and unions and it will be ugly.
It was a brilliant move by the Browns to suspend him.
He wasn't engaged, he was hurting the team, he should not get credit for a accrued season.
I like the way Farmer plays hardball. I also like that Pet and Farmer weren't afraid to call out Manziel and Gilbert.
This team is all about accountability. I think we are finally headed in the right direction.
Zombo
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send gordon, west and manziel to the raiders for #5....they'll do it.....they make stupid draft decisions all the time too and they love assholish talented bad boys.....
send gordon, west and manziel to the raiders for #5....they'll do it.....they make stupid draft decisions all the time too and they love assholish talented bad boys.....
Interesting thought there.
I have to wonder how much more the Browns will put up with Gordon's BS. MHO is he just used up his last strike.His trade value isn't going to be much- say a 4th like what the Patriots gave up for Randy Moss. He's one bong hit away from a lifetime ban.Zombo said:
As for Manziel, what the fuck were we supposed to do with him, carry two veterans QBs and let him take up a roster spot as a third string QB all year? If you are the backup QB eventually you are going to play, you have to be ready every week. You keep acting like we could have redshirtted him or something. And why are you doubting Hoyer's injuries? The guy can't throw a football. Shaw is the obvious choice to start, he has been running the offense all year. Undrafted free agents don't get "ruined" by starting an NFL game, it's the fucking opportunity of a lifetime.Zombo
Regarding Manziel- you're one play away from being the starter, and you weren't taking it seriously enough? Oh yeah- you got out on the field against a team that actually game planned for you, and found out (like us old boogers on this board said you would all along) it's the next level kiddo- your college reputation doesn't mean jack shit when you're playing for a paycheck. Regarding Gilbert- another guy who thought he could get by on his sheer athleticism- and copped a shitty attitude. So now we know why he wasn't playing. Hey, I do like that Desir kid. I won't give a rat if he turns out better than Gilbert. That's what makes you a SB contender- finding those 4th and lower round gems.
I agree Z man....getting a shot is never a bad thing. Lot's of people never get a shot, in all professions, be it NFL QB or head cook at the Waffel House.
I like Connor Shaw. I hope he makes the most of things.
So do I 'Peen. he's the anti-Manziel by all accounts. He's playing for a roster spot next year. And don't take it to mean I'm throwing in the towel on Johnny Football after six quarters- he's a smart kid, but too bad he ignored the lessons Hoyer was showing him this year on how to be a pro.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I think it was a mistake in starting Manziel. He clearly wasnt ready. Shaw isnt either btw. You can seriously ruin players like this. They should have known better. Thats why they get paid the big bucks. BTW, Hoyer cant play because of soreness? You are fucking kidding me?
Coach Pettine himself admitted to making mistakes this season in his last press conference. I think its one thing to be a disciplinarian, but you have to create an infrastructure for these young players. I dont think there is one currently in place.
I dont like players calling out players via the media. I dont think coaches should do it either. Handle it in-house. Example, Randle of the Cowboys, got arrested this season. The police video had him saying some derogatory things about Bryant and Brent. The players didnt call him out in the media. All of it was handled in-house. I think you create distrust when you do it via the media. Man up and talk to that person to their face.
I think stopping the run is all about effort and determination. Cowboys held the Colts to 1 yard rushing last week. Cowboys have no pro-bowlers on defense, who on their front 7 would you want playing on the Browns? They hustle and fly to the ball. Browns i think at times decide to quit.
Just my humble opinion.
still the same ol browns...
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and Manziel is in trouble with the Browns - he was late for
a treatment for his hammy.
I honestly think Gordon is really not smart. I'm really missing
Garapollo bout now. And, please, send Gordon somewhere else to
another team.
I still think Gilbert will end up being fine next year.
BTW, Farmer and Pettine are not going to make the same mistakes again.
You can take that to the bank - on West, and Manziel.
They didn't get Gordon, so that isn't on them.
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What a disappointment he has been this year. Cut him loose.
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This franchise is laughable
This franchise is laughable
you're laughable AND a dick.
was it farmer and pettine that drafted this kid? uh, no.
see what this team (FO team that is...) has done to 'their' guys haven't you?
this is a GREAT fucking precedent. they are sending the message out to ANYONE/EVERYONE that if you can't pull your weight and be a team player no matter what your name is you might be riding pine beotch.
as for you baconhound i'll slip you into the category of another little fucking whiner that sees a glimmer of hope and shits on it before any one else knows what it is.
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Wow, when it rains...,
Some serious considerations for this team as we move into the offseason. What looked stable is now seriously misaligned. If I'm Haslam, I would say let's get people here that want to be here and want to practice and play hard. If it takes one step back to move two steps forward, let's do it. We don't need players that see themselves as more important than the team itself. This is a blue collar town and we want players that represent the notion of playing like a Brown. Time to spend money on a few key FA's and then a good draft to complement. Gordon might be gone. JM and JG have one more year to prove themselves or they are gone as well.
If I'm Haslam, I would say let's get people here that want to be here and want to practice and play hard.
If Haslam has to say anything remotely like the above, then he hired the wrong folks.
I do not think he hired the wrong folks.
@everlastingxxx said:
Seems like a team that is lacking leadership. Something is not right about this team. Rookies under performing, calling teammates out in the media, offense undisciplined, defense giving up and players missing meetings.
Only thing sadder than posting an "I'm leaving thread" is posting one and then not leaving.
Zombo said:
(Gordon) wasn't engaged, he was hurting the team, he should not get credit for a accrued season.
I like the way Farmer plays hardball. I also like that Pet and Farmer weren't afraid to call out Manziel and Gilbert.
This team is all about accountability. I think we are finally headed in the right direction.
Agree... 100%...
Contrast the above with handing the keys to Wheezy... twice.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I don't get paid millions of dollars for my opinion. I don't have access to all the inside info. Manziel was not ready to play. That's the bottom line.
How do I go back to Texas? I never left. Romo may very well throw a pick 6. Not sure what that has to do with the conversation.
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@everlastingxxx said:
... and I'm not always sober.
Why didn't you say so in the first place?
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It's time to clean house. This is not working. The team is out of control and the head coach is in over his head. Can't u guys see that? Lets give him one more season? Why? We are going backwards not forward,
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7 wins is going forward over last year.
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It's time to clean house. This is not working. The team is out of control and the head coach is in over his head. Can't u guys see that? Lets give him one more season? Why? We are going backwards not forward,
It's time to clean house. This is not working. The team is out of control and the head coach is in over his head. Can't u guys see that? Lets give him one more season? Why? We are going backwards not forward,
Yeah let's just keep the turnstile turning at the head coach position. That really has worked out quite well for us the last 15 years . . . Let's just keep doing that
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It's time to clean house. This is not working. The team is out of control and the head coach is in over his head. Can't u guys see that? Lets give him one more season? Why? We are going backwards not forward,
Stupidest post of the year candidate. Prior to injury Armageddon we were kicking ass. Overall we took strides forward for once in record and performance on several fronts. We have three stooges no coach can control. Should he have locked them in a closet?? Focus your anger on the fucktards not the coach. We need to stick with Pettine at least me more year. Who in their right mind do you think would take the head coaching job here if they were following two one and outs??It's time to clean house. This is not working. The team is out of control and the head coach is in over his head. Can't u guys see that? Lets give him one more season? Why? We are going backwards not forward,
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