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  • Clevfan4life C Banned Very Popular
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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    I go back and forth whether the front 7 needs a complete rebuild or is just a piece or two away. If I could be a fly on the wall in the coaches meetings I could get a better feel if the players are not getting the job done because they don't understand the system quite well enough or they're just not capable of doing what Pettine and Oneils D is asking of them. I can say with great likelihood that the DL and LB have some personnel issues. Who or why I dunno for sure. But at the beginning of the season Oneil was asking the OLB'ers to hold the high edge, and they did. Middle of the season and onward you start to see them spinning/diving to the inside and you know that's cause Oneil was asking them to shore up the middle defense. Problem is that exposes you big time to the bounce, which is what started to happen. So any good running team is going to expose the edges if they pinch in like that.

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      @opal312 said:

      This draft will be worth the wait.

      Do you guys do a mock draft?

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      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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      @opal312 said:

      Do you guys do a mock draft?

      Yes, but members who quote themselves are not invited.

      @clevfan4life said:

      I go back and forth whether the front 7 needs a complete rebuild or is just a piece or two away.

      I think it's been more of a health issue. Need more quality of depth in the D-line. An upgrade of starter at ILB pushing a '14 starter down a notch is the depth route there. Maybe that puts me in the one-piece camp.

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        VENOMV VENOM wrote on last edited by
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        The worst part of all of this is that the "Real Browns" keep having success in Baltimore. This was a historical NFL franchise that was supported through thick and thin by loyal fans. Modell really screwed the City over and the re-build has been chaotic.

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          T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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          http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

          http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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            ManzierM Manzier wrote on last edited by
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            @texasag1969 said:

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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            Annual desperation to find a QB. It's epidemic. Neither of these guys is anywhere near 1st pick quality, but that wont stop teams from hoping and praying they are.

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              @texasag1969 said:

              http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

              http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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              Annual desperation to find a QB. It's epidemic. Neither of these guys is anywhere near 1st pick quality, but that wont stop teams from hoping and praying they are.

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              T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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              @manzier said:

              Annual desperation to find a QB. It's epidemic. Neither of these guys is anywhere near 1st pick quality, but that wont stop teams from hoping and praying they are.

              Any comments on projected Browns picks? These two have 4 different picks.

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                ManzierM Manzier wrote on last edited by
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                I like their guess for us picking Peat and Parker, though it's way too early to speculate on that. Personally, I think Peat will be long gone by our first pick and parker will be gone before our second.

                But Id take them if available and based upon the little I know now about next years draft class.

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                • T TexasAg1969

                  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

                  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                  @texasag1969 said:

                  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

                  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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                  Agree with Manzier... the OT/WR mock for us is much more attractive IMO... but it's early. Still a lot of time to overthink this.

                  Disagree with him, however, on Winston... I just feel like he will "get it" off-field and on-field I think he is well ahead of MM.

                  "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                    I do have some faith that Haslem will do whatever he can do to change the losing culture that's been pervading in Cleveland since the return. I lay a lot of that at the feet of Randy Lerner who did not give a shit about football and just signed the checks. If your owner doesn't care why should anybody? While the cat is away the mice will play. Haslem may have been guilty of rolling the dice on a pick like manziel hoping he would provide instant spark and relevance but I hope he's learned a lesson that that sort of thing rarely works out and he's gonna have to take a different approach. But I DO think he is actively pressuring for a better team and more accountability. The guy doesn't want to be the owner of a losing franchise.

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                    djdawg2010D djdawg2010 wrote on last edited by
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                    @the-cysko-kid said:

                    I do have some faith that Haslem will do whatever he can do to change the losing culture that's been pervading in Cleveland since the return. I lay a lot of that at the feet of Randy Lerner who did not give a shit about football and just signed the checks. If your owner doesn't care why should anybody? While the cat is away the mice will play. Haslem may have been guilty of rolling the dice on a pick like manziel hoping he would provide instant spark and relevance but I hope he's learned a lesson that that sort of thing rarely works out and he's gonna have to take a different approach. But I DO think he is actively pressuring for a better team and more accountability. The guy doesn't want to be the owner of a losing franchise.

                    I agree with your assessment.

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                      T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                      They're going to debut new uniforms next season (god help us) and they're going to want some flashy players to fill those flashy new uniforms so I fear gordon and manziel will get a lesser punishment than they deserve.

                      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                        They're going to debut new uniforms next season (god help us) and they're going to want some flashy players to fill those flashy new uniforms so I fear gordon and manziel will get a lesser punishment than they deserve.

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                        miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                        They're going to debut new uniforms next season (god help us) and they're going to want some flashy players to fill those flashy new uniforms so I fear gordon and manziel will get a lesser punishment than they deserve.

                        see you can be really funny when you want to be.

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                          @ahitz3 said:

                          I'll see you next year...

                          Awesome!

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                          dawgpound101D dawgpound101 wrote on last edited by
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                          @d-bone said:

                          Awesome!

                          Hahaha i laughed out loud for a minute after reading that

                          Don't you wish you had taken the "Blue Pill"? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202829424159899&l=93ed4a6e53
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                            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

                            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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                            @texasag1969 said:

                            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24920814/nfl-mock-draft-mariota-the-favorite-to-land-no-1-in-tampa

                            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24921002/nfl-mock-draft-qb-needy-bucs-titans-gamble-at-picks-1-2

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                            I wouldn't like to pass on Schreff if he was there. He moves Schwartz inside and provides a excellent option if Joe T goes down.

                            If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                              Schwartz inside helps nothing IMO.

                              Both Greco and Bito are far better than any projection I see for Schwartz inside.

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                                VENOMV VENOM wrote on last edited by
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                                Greco and Bito??? Didn't they wrestle in the WWWF in 70's as the Mongols?

                                Interesting VENOM useless fact: One of the original Mongols of the old WWWF Bolo Mongol later became the terror of the South and Mid-Atlantic The Masked Superstar then eventually AX of Demolition in WWE. He also spent a short time with Andre The Giant and Hulk Hogan as The Machines (AKA The Super Machine).

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