Free Agency
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Mingo is getting better and has basically been playing with one shoulder in use. I still have high hopes for him.
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Mingo is getting better and has basically been playing with one shoulder in use. I still have high hopes for him.
Mingo is getting better and has basically been playing with one shoulder in use. I still have high hopes for him.
I'm not ready to give up on him just yet, and hopefully he can get his shoulder injury behind him, but he hasn't been exactly terrifying when healthy.
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. For me, ILB isn't as big a need as OLB and DE/NT.
You think OLB is a bigger need than ILB? Please explain cause I watched us get gouged the entire season up the middle. You can argue some fo that is on the D line for sure but when it comes down to it ILB'ers are responsible for the run, period.
You think OLB is a bigger need than ILB? Please explain cause I watched us get gouged the entire season up the middle. You can argue some fo that is on the D line for sure but when it comes down to it ILB'ers are responsible for the run, period.
They can't reliably stop the run if the D-line has already been pushed 3-5 yards upfield off the snap. When Taylor was in, the ILBs looked fine and the run defense was good. They were able to do their job.
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Mingo is getting better and has basically been playing with one shoulder in use. I still have high hopes for him.
I'm not ready to give up on him just yet, and hopefully he can get his shoulder injury behind him, but he hasn't been exactly terrifying when healthy.
I'm not ready to give up on him just yet, and hopefully he can get his shoulder injury behind him, but he hasn't been exactly terrifying when healthy.
Yeah he is still an undersized, finesse player when healthy.
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Mingo can't tackle worth a shit. Speak english.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Yeah he is still an undersized, finesse player when healthy.
Yet he has the size to be an ILB - I wonder...?
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Mingo can't tackle worth a shit. Speak english.
Mingo can't tackle worth a shit. Speak english.
I was trying to be fair when talking about a Charmin soft tackler who can run fast.
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Yeah he is still an undersized, finesse player when healthy.
Yet he has the size to be an ILB - I wonder...?
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He would be flattened.
Most likely. DB? WR? P?
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He would be flattened.
Most likely. DB? WR? P?
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Signing Justin Houston will take at least 15M a year and two first round picks if the Chiefs use the non-exclusive franchise tag, otherwise there is no chance of him leaving Kansas City.
The Browns will have around 50M in cap room (including the carryover from 2014), I just hope they don't go on a shopping spree like the Dolphins and Bucs did in the past couple of years and overpay for mediocre players.
Personally I'm a fan of the way the Packers do things (big surprise since I'm a Packer fan myself): build through the draft, re-sign your own players and let other teams overpay for your scrubs while getting compensatory picks in return.
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Yes, I'm not advocating anything ridiculous wrt signing big time free agents, just saying that if there was one guy I want it would be him. Of course, there's the franchise tags to deal with and everything else making it very unlikely. Can't stop me wishing though.
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Spotrac is a great site... here's my take on our FAs...
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/cleveland-browns/
Player Pos Status From To Age Exp 2014 Cap Hit
High - Sign at essentially all cost; consider Franchise tag
Tashaun Gipson S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,500
Med - Make competitive offer with intent to retain
Miles Austin WR UFA CLE TBD 30 8 $2,000,000
Jabaal Sheard OLB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,619,625
Buster Skrine CB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,481,500
Ishmaa'ily Kitchen DT RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Craig Robertson ILB ERFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Jim Leonhard S UFA CLE TBD 32 9 $570,000
Shaun Draughn RB UFA CLE TBD 27 2 $134,117
Scott Solomon DE UFA CLE TBD 26 2 $67,05
Low - Make reasonable offer with degree of willingness to part ways
Jordan Cameron TE UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $1,550,350
Brian Hoyer QB UFA CLE TBD 29 4 $1,250,000
Ahtyba Rubin DT UFA CLE TBD 28 6 $8,175,000
Johnson Bademosi S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,834
Spencer Lanning P ERFA CLE TBD 26 1 $495,000
Marlon Moore WR UFA CLE TBD 27 4 $435,882
Ryan Seymour G ERFA CLE TBD 24 1 $320,294
No - Take it or leave it, low ball
Sione Fua DT UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $417,353
Andre Smith TE RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $333,0008
Tyler Thigpen QB UFA CLE TBD 30 7 $33,529
Jermaine Saffold WR RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Zac Diles ILB UFA CLE TBD 29 7 $0
Solomon Elimimian LB ERFA CLE TBD 28 1 $0
Matt Cleveland G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Emanuel Davis CB RFA CLE TBD 26 $0
Jake Anderson G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Leonhard retired.
And I am not so keen on keeping Sheard. He is too similar to Kruger, if they are both on the field as the same time we can't cover, I'd rather add a speedier outside linebacker.
Zombo
I'd go ILB first as well. In part because I think Robertson belongs outside.
Zombo said:
Leonhard retired.
And I am not so keen on keeping Sheard. He is too similar to Kruger, if they are both on the field as the same time we can't cover, I'd rather add a speedier outside linebacker.
I know Leonard retired... doesn't mean I don't make him an offer... maybe a Player/ Coach deal assuming the CBA allows such a thing. He made $570k. Put $1 mm on the table with 750k guaranteed and see if he stays retired.
Sheard is good depth if nothing else. I do not expect he'll get a "big" offer. Being a lot like Kruger is not a bad thing if Kruger were to go down. We have room to add a speedier OLB without using Sheard's spot.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'd go ILB first as well. In part because I think Robertson belongs outside.
Zombo said:
Leonhard retired.
And I am not so keen on keeping Sheard. He is too similar to Kruger, if they are both on the field as the same time we can't cover, I'd rather add a speedier outside linebacker.
I know Leonard retired... doesn't mean I don't make him an offer... maybe a Player/ Coach deal assuming the CBA allows such a thing. He made $570k. Put $1 mm on the table with 750k guaranteed and see if he stays retired.
Sheard is good depth if nothing else. I do not expect he'll get a "big" offer. Being a lot like Kruger is not a bad thing if Kruger were to go down. We have room to add a speedier OLB without using Sheard's spot.
I'd go ILB first as well. In part because I think Robertson belongs outside.
I know Leonard retired... doesn't mean I don't make him an offer... maybe a Player/ Coach deal assuming the CBA allows such a thing. He made $570k. Put $1 mm on the table with 750k guaranteed and see if he stays retired.
Sheard is good depth if nothing else. I do not expect he'll get a "big" offer. Being a lot like Kruger is not a bad thing if Kruger were to go down. We have room to add a speedier OLB without using Sheard's spot.
I think Sheard is going to command a lot more money on the open market than you may presume. He won't be affordable as depth.
Zombo
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I'd go ILB first as well. In part because I think Robertson belongs outside.
Zombo said:
Leonhard retired.
And I am not so keen on keeping Sheard. He is too similar to Kruger, if they are both on the field as the same time we can't cover, I'd rather add a speedier outside linebacker.
I know Leonard retired... doesn't mean I don't make him an offer... maybe a Player/ Coach deal assuming the CBA allows such a thing. He made $570k. Put $1 mm on the table with 750k guaranteed and see if he stays retired.
Sheard is good depth if nothing else. I do not expect he'll get a "big" offer. Being a lot like Kruger is not a bad thing if Kruger were to go down. We have room to add a speedier OLB without using Sheard's spot.
I'd go ILB first as well. In part because I think Robertson belongs outside.
Maybe in a 4-3, he doesn't have the size to play outside in a 3-4.
Zombo said:
I think Sheard is going to command a lot more money on the open market than you may presume. He won't be affordable as depth.
Zombo
Let's hope that's the case and the Browns get a 3rd round compensatory pick. That would also open up room for Mingo as a full time player, although he's yet to prove he can stay healthy.
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I'd go ILB first as well. In part because I think Robertson belongs outside.
I know Leonard retired... doesn't mean I don't make him an offer... maybe a Player/ Coach deal assuming the CBA allows such a thing. He made $570k. Put $1 mm on the table with 750k guaranteed and see if he stays retired.
Sheard is good depth if nothing else. I do not expect he'll get a "big" offer. Being a lot like Kruger is not a bad thing if Kruger were to go down. We have room to add a speedier OLB without using Sheard's spot.
I think Sheard is going to command a lot more money on the open market than you may presume. He won't be affordable as depth.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I think Sheard is going to command a lot more money on the open market than you may presume. He won't be affordable as depth.
You may well be right if, as Mud suggests, a 4-3 team has their sights on him. But how much do you offer for a guy you have not seen in that role for a year or more?
Maybe in a 4-3, he doesn't have the size to play outside in a 3-4.
Let's hope that's the case and the Browns get a 3rd round compensatory pick. That would also open up room for Mingo as a full time player, although he's yet to prove he can stay healthy.
A third would be a nice consolation prize... and while not a total poison pill, it is enough to dissuade casual interest.
If Mingo at 240 is "big enough" to play OLB, I don't see how Robertson falls short at 234.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
My question is when can you start to actually acquire free agent players?
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Zombo said:
I think Sheard is going to command a lot more money on the open market than you may presume. He won't be affordable as depth.
You may well be right if, as Mud suggests, a 4-3 team has their sights on him. But how much do you offer for a guy you have not seen in that role for a year or more?
Maybe in a 4-3, he doesn't have the size to play outside in a 3-4.
Let's hope that's the case and the Browns get a 3rd round compensatory pick. That would also open up room for Mingo as a full time player, although he's yet to prove he can stay healthy.
A third would be a nice consolation prize... and while not a total poison pill, it is enough to dissuade casual interest.
If Mingo at 240 is "big enough" to play OLB, I don't see how Robertson falls short at 234.
You may well be right if, as Mud suggests, a 4-3 team has their sights on him. But how much do you offer for a guy you have not seen in that role for a year or more?
A third would be a nice consolation prize... and while not a total poison pill, it is enough to dissuade casual interest.
If Mingo at 240 is "big enough" to play OLB, I don't see how Robertson falls short at 234.
The team that loses the player gets compensation but there is no poison pill because the team which signs the player doesn't lose a pick. The compensatory pick comes after the 32 traditional picks in each round.
As an example, the Steelers got the 33rd pick in the third round in the 2014 draft because of Mike Wallace's deal with the Dolphins. The Packers got the 34th pick because Jennings signed a smaller deal with the Vikings than Wallace did with the Dolphins.
Mingo is 6'4", he can add muscle to his frame and play at 260 like Clay Matthews or Suggs who are both 6'3". Robertson is 6'1".
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My question is when can you start to actually acquire free agent players?
My question is when can you start to actually acquire free agent players?
Teams can negotiate with players starting on March 7th but deals cannot be signed before 4 pm eastern on March 10th.
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