Thoughts On Wild Card Games
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Chris Christie is a Cowboy hugger?
I bet all those Giants fans that voted him into office loved seeing that.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Chris Christie is a Cowboy hugger?
I bet all those Giants fans that voted him into office loved seeing that.
Zombo
Are the Cowboys the Darlings of the Repulicans?
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@everlastingxxx said:
It wasnt pass interference. Dez on the field is not an automatic flag.
You've got to be fucking kidding me? I fucking hate people with such devotion to an idea/team/philosophy they just can't admit the truth.
That was pass interference and yes he should have.
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That was pass interference and anyone who can't see that is visually impaired.
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HMMMM Could you be more full of shit?
HMMMM Could you be more full of shit?
If nothing else, it was offsetting penalties, and replay the down.
E, too bad 90% of the rest of NFL fans don't agree with you, and think the Lions got majorly hosed.
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The fact is they could have called both holding on the D and face masking on the O. The rest was chicken fighting started by the O player which is usually a non-call, especially on a pass that had no chance of burrowing through the back of the defender for a completion. It was a bad call in the first place for the wrong thing. I'm not a Boys fan but Walter you are showing your own prejudice against 'em by insisting there is no other way to see this but yours. Trent Dilfer can be added to your list of idiots since he thought it was no call and that gutless decision making by Detroit led to the loss.
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@everlastingxxx said:
It wasnt pass interference. Player was going away from the ball and he had his hand on the Cowboy players face mask. Face guarding is not a foul either. Dez on the field is not an automatic flag. Defensive holding could have been called. Either way game was far from over.
Tony Romo is proving his haters wrong.
Was a tough game. Detriot played great. My Cowboys never give up. They are mentally tough.
btw, thank you Zombo for fixing my screen name.
I should have changed it to "Delusional" if you don't think that isn't pass interference.
Take the googles off.
Doesn't mean they don't deserve the win, it is only one play ... but, c'mon you'd have more cred if you admitted they shouldn't have picked up the flag.
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for the record the league has come out and said that should have been defensive holding: http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/12124549/dean-blandino-holding-call-missed-vs-dallas-cowboys-lb-anthony-hitchens
Z, that screenshot is literally at the last second before the pass. I get what that picture makes it look like but when you watch it real-time it's pretty good defense. The gif doesn't show the the hold of the jersey before though which is all but an automatic call nowadays and as I understand why the one ref threw the flag. No way the flag should have gotten picked up, but other than the hold it's a pretty clean play. You can make a very logical argument that the receiver's path was not impeded.
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for the record the league has come out and said that should have been defensive holding: http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/12124549/dean-blandino-holding-call-missed-vs-dallas-cowboys-lb-anthony-hitchens
Z, that screenshot is literally at the last second before the pass. I get what that picture makes it look like but when you watch it real-time it's pretty good defense. The gif doesn't show the the hold of the jersey before though which is all but an automatic call nowadays and as I understand why the one ref threw the flag. No way the flag should have gotten picked up, but other than the hold it's a pretty clean play. You can make a very logical argument that the receiver's path was not impeded.
You can make a very logical argument that the receiver's path was not impeded.
If you're blind... and "path" is not the operative word.
Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.
or
(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.
Take your pick...Yes, there was a bunch of incidental hand fighting.
Yes, two fingers did touch the 'Boy's face mask (people really need to think before they start arguing for that as a penalty).
But there is a line where hand fighting ends and PI begins, and in this instance it was crossed by one player... and he was wearing white.
To my eye the crossing occurred when the LB pushed on the TE's right shoulder with his left hand.
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You can make a very logical argument that the receiver's path was not impeded.
If you're blind... and "path" is not the operative word.
Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.
or
(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.
Take your pick...Yes, there was a bunch of incidental hand fighting.
Yes, two fingers did touch the 'Boy's face mask (people really need to think before they start arguing for that as a penalty).
But there is a line where hand fighting ends and PI begins, and in this instance it was crossed by one player... and he was wearing white.
To my eye the crossing occurred when the LB pushed on the TE's right shoulder with his left hand.
If you're blind... and "path" is not the operative word.
Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.
or
(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.
Take your pick...Yes, there was a bunch of incidental hand fighting.
Yes, two fingers did touch the 'Boy's face mask (people really need to think before they start arguing for that as a penalty).
But there is a line where hand fighting ends and PI begins, and in this instance it was crossed by one player... and he was wearing white.
To my eye the crossing occurred when the LB pushed on the TE's right shoulder with his left hand.
All I can say is that we're watching two different things if that's your opinion. Pettigrew? never comes back to the ball is a overt motion and in fact falls down with forward momentum. Face guarding is not in and of itself illegal, and the contact there is is nothing but hand fighting which isn't called often. He wasn't pushed down with the shoulder contact, that was all momentum taking him down. I'd also plainly argue the left arm comes down almost instantaneously (maybe a half second ahead) with the pass arriving which is obviously good defense. It looks bad because his back is turned but the variables are there for a non PI call. Again though, there was a clear jersey hold which the refs admitted should have been called, and I'd agree the flag shouldn't have been picked up. Hell I hate the Cowboys but we as fans have to take a stand on good defense before it's totally gone.
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Does not have to be "pushed down".
TE is reaching back for the ball.
If you push on his shoulder, then you "interfere" with his ability to reach back.
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dudes are from texas....what do you expect?
if was the same with cleveland we'd all be making excuses too.
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Does not have to be "pushed down".
TE is reaching back for the ball.
If you push on his shoulder, then you "interfere" with his ability to reach back.
Does not have to be "pushed down".
TE is reaching back for the ball.
If you push on his shoulder, then you "interfere" with his ability to reach back.
I suppose we'll just agree to disagree then. That shoulder contact is very minimal (wouldn't you agree?) and if the game is called on contact like that they could throw a flag on every pass play. If Pettigrew had stopped his momentum and had a more overt attempt at the catch, I'd agree 100%. But defenders, especially LB's, have to have a chance to face guard like that. Defenders have a right to be there just as much as the offensive player. It's the same nature of holding- it could be called every play if you wanted to by 100% strict definition. Gotta let them play out here a little bit. Again, just so people don't get me twisted I don't think the flag should have been picked up.
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Agree to disagree? Sure... but as we travel that road.
No, I do not agree that the shoulder push was minimal. If I thought it was, I'd have to be pretty stupid to base my case upon it. Agree?
Is it not clear that the TE was stopping his momentum because he saw the ball coming, but was unable to do so because the LB saw to it that he could not stop?
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Agree to disagree? Sure... but as we travel that road.
No, I do not agree that the shoulder push was minimal. If I thought it was, I'd have to be pretty stupid to base my case upon it. Agree?
Is it not clear that the TE was stopping his momentum because he saw the ball coming, but was unable to do so because the LB saw to it that he could not stop?
Agree to disagree? Sure... but as we travel that road.
No, I do not agree that the shoulder push was minimal. If I thought it was, I'd have to be pretty stupid to base my case upon it. Agree?
Is it not clear that the TE was stopping his momentum because he saw the ball coming, but was unable to do so because the LB saw to it that he could not stop?
I'll bend to this point: I would say by the pinpoint definition of the rules that's a PI due to the hand coming into contact with the shoulder. But if you make calls like that they might as well just play 7 on 7. It's a wonky play but that's about as good of defense you can play while still following the face guarding rules. He was making a play at the ball but the defender has a right to be there to stop it too and there's no contact in that regard.
The thing we can both agree on? If that's a Cleveland Brown receiver you bet your sweet ass it should be a flag every time.
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lol... maybe, but I'm not into conspiracy theories... not even in this case.
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Is it so hard to believe that somewhere out there people are conspiring?
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Is it so hard to believe that somewhere out there people are conspiring?
Is it so hard to believe that somewhere out there people are conspiring?
This.
Is it so hard to believe that powerful people would get together and plan for certain outcomes?
Is it so hard to believe powerful interest would operate outside the law or be unethical? Nah
Is it so hard to believe NFL owners like Jerry Jones, Steve Biscotti, and Robert Kraft are in bed with league officials in Roger Goodell to protect their interest?
Is it so hard believe NFL owners and league officials would suppress information and cover for certain players that could jeopardize their TV ratings, commercial budgets, and revenue?
If you think everything in the NFL is ethical, clean, above board, and powerful people always play by the rules then you're visually and mentally impaired.
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@everlastingxxx said:
How exactly are we to know if a bad call is a conspiracy or just human error?
How do we find out?
The Cowboys have won 2 playoff games in 20 years.
Ill repeat...2 playoff games in 20 years.
Sounds like a shitty Jerry Jones conspiracy to me.
I don't think coaches or players are in on it.
I do think league officials, the marketing geniuses, and owners can influence refs to "steer games towards a certain outcome"
aka (a missed flag here, a phantom penalty there, etc)
The lights going off at The Super Bowl for a half an hour during a blowout allowing 30 minutes more of commercials and not allowing the game to get out of reach and losing interest?
Get fucking real. The NFL pulled the lights in the game.
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