The woulda/should/coulda of drafting QBs
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yeah qb should be the last piece of a team build (right behind wr, lol) but it'd be nice to be able to pick the right one......
I am an advocate of not worrying about taking a QB this year because:
A. I don't think there really are many good ones out there
B. I think at this point the team needs to set its priorities on putting the biggest baddest OL and DL or LB in the game on the field.
Games can be won in the trenches (while still needing skill players).
I am an advocate of not worrying about taking a QB this year because:
A. I don't think there really are many good ones out there
B. I think at this point the team needs to set its priorities on putting the biggest baddest OL and DL or LB in the game on the field.
Games can be won in the trenches (while still needing skill players).
Totally agree.
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of course the Browns eventually did have Trent Dilfer certainly within his prime. I guess it's not all the quarterback huh?
WSS
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of course the Browns eventually did have Trent Dilfer certainly within his prime. I guess it's not all the quarterback huh?
WSS
of course the Browns eventually did have Trent Dilfer certainly within his prime. I guess it's not all the quarterback huh?
WSS
Dilfer was not in his prime here by no means. In fact after he left here, he only played in 7 more games in his career with SFO, then retired.
Jeff Garcia had more in his tank after he left the Browns than Dilfer. He played 6 more years with 5 different teams. He had one more decent year with Tampa Bay. He was really the ultimate system QB. Take him out of the WCO and he was lost. His good years were under WCO systems. He would have fit here a lot better under Holmgren and Shurmur than he did with Butch Davis and Chudzinski who was his OC the year he was here.
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of course the Browns eventually did have Trent Dilfer certainly within his prime. I guess it's not all the quarterback huh?
WSS
Dilfer was not in his prime here by no means. In fact after he left here, he only played in 7 more games in his career with SFO, then retired.
Jeff Garcia had more in his tank after he left the Browns than Dilfer. He played 6 more years with 5 different teams. He had one more decent year with Tampa Bay. He was really the ultimate system QB. Take him out of the WCO and he was lost. His good years were under WCO systems. He would have fit here a lot better under Holmgren and Shurmur than he did with Butch Davis and Chudzinski who was his OC the year he was here.
Dilfer was not in his prime here by no means. In fact after he left here, he only played in 7 more games in his career with SFO, then retired.
he was drafted by Baltimore correct? How many years was he in the league before we acquired him?
WSS
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Ok I looked it up. He's been in the league 10 years.
Weren't you telling me Peyton Manning would have taken the Browns to the playoffs or Super Bowl?
WSS
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Ok I looked it up. He's been in the league 10 years.
Weren't you telling me Peyton Manning would have taken the Browns to the playoffs or Super Bowl?
WSS
Ok I looked it up. He's been in the league 10 years.
Weren't you telling me Peyton Manning would have taken the Browns to the playoffs or Super Bowl?
WSS
Dilfer was in his 12th year when he played for the Browns. He retired after his 13th season. He was drafted by Tampa Bay where he spent much of his time. He only spent one single year in Baltimore.....but he just so happened to win the Super Bowl that year.
He was spent when he got to the Browns....and truthfully, while he did actually have that one good partial year with the Ratbirds, he was not overall a very good QB. One service tracked him as having a career comparable to the likes of Chris Miller, Wade Wilson, Rodney Peete, Bill Kenney, Mike Livingston, Bill Munson. In other words whenever the proposition is stated that a "team can win a SB with a mediocre QB....Trent Dilfer is the guy everyone points to (or Brad Johnson).
If the Browns had Peyton Manning as their QB this year, 2014.....yes I think they could have made the playoffs. I don't know about winning the SB but they could have possibly gotten a playoff spot.
Quarterbacks matter.
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I'm assuming you think the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are equal except for quarterback?
WSS
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I'm assuming you think the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are equal except for quarterback?
WSS
I'm assuming you think the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are equal except for quarterback?
WSS
once again steve the comedian comes out.
do you have your schedule down?
i'd love to see you point to someone that said the browns and the broncos were equal sans QB.
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I'm assuming you think the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are equal except for quarterback?
WSS
I'm assuming you think the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are equal except for quarterback?
WSS
Not necessarily. I think QB is the biggest factor. I also think they have a better WR corps. Would have to do a unit by unit, player by player comparison of the rest of both teams....but I think it would be close enough otherwise.
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I'm assuming you think the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are equal except for quarterback?
WSS
once again steve the comedian comes out.
do you have your schedule down?
i'd love to see you point to someone that said the browns and the broncos were equal sans QB.
once again steve the comedian comes out.
do you have your schedule down?
i'd love to see you point to someone that said the browns and the broncos were equal sans QB.
While I am not saying it....I am saying that QB is by far the biggest factor that makes the difference between the two teams. They certainly could have slight advantages in some areas (and slight advantages can make a world of difference)....but their QB edge is quite enormous.
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I'm assuming you think the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are equal except for quarterback?
WSS
once again steve the comedian comes out.
do you have your schedule down?
i'd love to see you point to someone that said the browns and the broncos were equal sans QB.
once again steve the comedian comes out.
do you have your schedule down?
i'd love to see you point to someone that said the browns and the broncos were equal sans QB.
Gipper told me he believes the Browns would have gone to the playoffs if we had Peyton Manning at the helm.
We did not and they did. So I asked him if he thought the Broncos and the Browns equal except for quarterback. Not quite understanding the outrage to that statement. Simmer down boy!
WSS
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Also if I'm not mistaken, & I could be, the Gipper feels that the Cleveland Browns are a superior team to the Pittsburgh Steelers except for the quarterback position.
WSS
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Also if I'm not mistaken, & I could be, the Gipper feels that the Cleveland Browns are a superior team to the Pittsburgh Steelers except for the quarterback position.
WSS
Also if I'm not mistaken, & I could be, the Gipper feels that the Cleveland Browns are a superior team to the Pittsburgh Steelers except for the quarterback position.
WSS
The Browns proved that by smacking them around pretty good the last time they played, and barely losing in the last second the first time they played.
The Steelers have some better players here or there....and some equal players. But overall the Browns have more talent. Yes.
One area that I was wrong was that early on in the preseason I said that I though Ben Tate would be the equal of Leveon Bell. That obviously proved wrong. While Tate may be close to Bell in innate talent....Tate's brainlessness showed that he could not handle being the #1 RB option on a team.
Gordon is proving similar. His innate talent is superior to anyone on the Steelers....including Antonio Brown. His brainlessness seemed to have the better of him this year however.
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Here is the deal on the woulda/coulda/shoulda of the Browns drafting Super Bowl QBs:
Bart Starr ....drafted in the 17th round by Packer ....all other NFL teams including Browns passed on him 16 times.
Johnny Unitas...drafted in the 9th round by Steelers....all other NFL teams including Browns passed on him at least 8 times
Roger Staubach....drafted in the 10th round by the Cowboys....all other NFL teams including Browns passed on him at least 9 times...due to military commitment.
Bob Griese....Taken with the #4 overall pick of the draft.....Browns had no shot at taking him
Terry Bradshaw....Taken with #1 overall pick of the draft....Browns had no shot at taking him.
Ken Stabler....taken in the 2 round of the 1968 draft #52. Browns took Marvin Upshaw and John Garlington over Stabler.
Jim Plunkett....taken with #1 pick of the draft. Browns had shot at taking him
Joe Montana....taken with the 82d pick in the third round in 1979 draft. Ahead of him the Browns drafted Willis Adams, Lawrence Johnson, Sam Clapham, and James Ramey
Joe Theisman....take with the 99th pick of the 1971 draft. Ahead of him the Browns chose Clarence Scott, Bo Cornell, Paul Staroba, Robert Pena
Jim McMahon....taken with the 5th overall pick of the 1982 draft. That year the Browns drafted Chip Banks ahead of him with the #3 pick. (Art Schichter #4 by the Colts)
Phil Simms.....taken with the 7th overall pick of the first round in 1979. The Browns had no shot at him. (but taken 75 picks ahead of Montana)
Doug Williams....taken with the 17th pick of the 1978 draft. The Browns picked at #12 ahead of him and took LB Clay Matthews Jr.
Jeff Hostetler...taken 59th overall in the third round of the 1984 draft. Browns chose DB Don Rogers and WR Bruce Davis ahead of him.
Mark Rypien.....drafted in the 6th round #146 of the 1986 draft. Every team passed on him at least 5-6 times. Browns had him. He was no big deal. What they would have needed was Joe Gibbs to go with him.
Troy Aikman....#1 overall pick of the 1989 draft. Browns had no shot at him.
Brett Favre....taken #33 overall in 2d round of 1991 draft. Browns drafted Eric Turner in first round, and OG Ed King (a complete bust btw) just 4 spots ahead of Favre.
John Elway....taken with the #1 overall pick of the 1983 draft. Browns had not shot at him.
Kurt Warner....Undrafted QB that came out in 1994. Every team in the league could have had him numerous times over.
Trent Dilfer.....taken #6 overall in 1994. Browns had no shot at him.
Tom Brady....well documented #199 pick of the 2000 draft. Every team passed on him 5-6 times at least....including Browns who took Spurgeon Wynn 16 slots ahead of Brady.
Brad Johnson....taken in the 9th round of the 1992 draft. All teams passed on him at least 8 times.
Peyton Manning....taken #1 overall in 1998 draft. Browns had no shot at him.
Eli Manning .....taken #1 overall in 2004 draft. Browns had no shot at him.
Ben Roethlisberger....taken #11 overall in the 2004 draft. Browns chose TE Kellen Winslow with the #6 pick ahead of him.
Drew Brees.....taken with the #32 pick (second round) of the 2001 draft. Browns took Big Money Gerard Warren ahead of him with the #3 draft pick that year.....and one pick after Brees took Quincy Morgan.
Aaron Rodgers....taken with the #24 pick in the 2005 draft. Browns took Braylon Edward with the #3 pick that year.
Joe Flacco....taken with the 18th overall pick in the 2008 draft. The Browns had not shot at him as that year they didn't have a pick until the 4th round. Not sure what they traded all their picks for...but it wasn't worth it. (Brady Quinn?)
Russell Wilson....taken with the 75th overall pick of the 2014 draft. The Browns chose ahead of Wilson: Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, and Mitchell Schwartz.
So let the second guessing begin. The ones I highlighted in red are the ones I feel that the Browns missed on and could have had. Some of these are guys everyone got wrong....but there were about a half dozen where if the Browns had been smarter could have really improved themselves.
Ben Roethlisberger....taken #11 overall in the 2004 draft. Browns chose TE Kellen Winslow with the #6 pick ahead of him.
Drew Brees.....taken with the #32 pick (second round) of the 2001 draft. Browns took Big Money Gerard Warren ahead of him with the #3 draft pick that year.....and one pick after Brees took Quincy Morgan.
Aaron Rodgers....taken with the #24 pick in the 2005 draft. Browns took Braylon Edward with the #3 pick that year.
Big Ben was the one that really got away. He played ball in our back yard. HOW DA HELL DID WE MISS ON THAT?!!?
I'm sure either Carr or Bridgewater will be on this list in a few years.
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Ben Roethlisberger....taken #11 overall in the 2004 draft. Browns chose TE Kellen Winslow with the #6 pick ahead of him.
Drew Brees.....taken with the #32 pick (second round) of the 2001 draft. Browns took Big Money Gerard Warren ahead of him with the #3 draft pick that year.....and one pick after Brees took Quincy Morgan.
Aaron Rodgers....taken with the #24 pick in the 2005 draft. Browns took Braylon Edward with the #3 pick that year.
Big Ben was the one that really got away. He played ball in our back yard. HOW DA HELL DID WE MISS ON THAT?!!?
I'm sure either Carr or Bridgewater will be on this list in a few years.
Big Ben was the one that really got away. He played ball in our back yard. HOW DA HELL DID WE MISS ON THAT?!!?
I'm sure either Carr or Bridgewater will be on this list in a few years.
More than BR, it was Aaron Rodgers that got away....imo. CBS Sports had Rodgers as the #5 overall prospect that year. We took Braylon #3......(but they did have Braylon at #2 overall....and Alex Smith who went #1 was rated by CBS as #4 overall. Well 2005 was the year that the Browns had Trent Dilfer as their starting QB......but they were in the market for a QB since Trent was old....so they acquired Derek Anderson off the Ravens PS....but did not play him at all that year, plus they drafted Charlie Frye in round 3. And though Rogers went #24 it really was a big drop for him....since he was rated a top 5 prospect. Taking him at #3 would not have been out of the question.
Does anyone recall why Rodgers dropped so low? Were there hints of drugs or other issues?
I guess I also consider K2 to have been a better player than Braylon. If not for his stupid MC injury he may have proven top notch....such that missing on BR would not have been so bad. Braylon was just a knucklehead as a player. Such a waste.
K2 was not as much of a waste. His problems were explainable...injury. Braylon's problem were between his ears.
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