I miss Art Modell..
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Okay...all you old farts...Gipper...can call me names until you turn blue. I don't care. Our team sucks...that's reality. No matter how you look at it....no matter what changes are made....it's always the same result. The Browns had a history of being one of the most dominant professional sports teams, at one time. We've watched these imposters drag the name Cleveland Browns through the mud since 1999. The team was respected, and we were proud to be fans. Since the installation of this team in Cleveland, I've never been comfortable with the name. I know Gipper...we've been down this road before, but you have to admit...the name Cleveland Browns is synanomous with big time losers...not great football team. I don't have to tell you, that didn't happen over night. As much as you hate Modell, you have to agree....for the most part, he always put a competitive team on the field. When we had a down season, I remember him saying...."losing is fine for the Tampa Bays of the world, but we're the Cleveland Browns, and we can't have that". I really wish that when this team came back, they would have hung a different name on them. The real Cleveland Browns don't deserve to be disgraced like this. Our team has been reduced to a punch line of some stupid joke. I don't really care for the guy, but I wonder how Jim Brown feels about this situation.....having a bunch of losers try to carry on the tradition that was once cherished among the players and fans. You guys who have been around a while may not admit it, but just like me, you are at the point of not giving a crap what they do, anymore. Maybe it's a sign of aging....when the Browns have another bad season, which is, of course, every season...just kind of losing interest. There's no answer or solution, because what's done is done, and we can't change what the team has become. We will get all excited about the draft, soon. I have no idea, why. It doesn't matter if we have every pick in the first round. We will screw it up. Since 1999 we've had a bunch of overpaid Retards (my apologies to Retards ) who think they are geniuses, picking players. Any idiot could do better by flipping a coin...like Romeo Crennel. Go ahead...tell me how stupid I am, and how I'm full of shit, and that Im not a real true blue Browns fan. Tell me to go root for the Ratbirds or some other team. Then tell me how in Hell these morons who are running this organization, are turning things around in my lifetime, with players like Manziel and Gordon.
As much as you hate Modell, you have to agree....for the most part, he always put a competitive team on the field. When we had a down season, I remember him saying...."losing is fine for the Tampa Bays of the world, but we're the Cleveland Browns, and we can't have that". I really wish that when this team came back, they would have hung a different name on them. The real Cleveland Browns don't deserve to be disgraced like this.
1. Regardless of team name it is the city... the team's fans... that feel any "disgrace" (I would prefer "disappointment"). That would still exist regardless of your "wish".
One question: How did you feel at the time Baltimore was denied use of the team name, "Browns"?
2. You cannot "for the most part... always" do anything. Modell did not come close to always. Once Collier left we began a string of mediocre HC's that managed only a few winning seasons: Skorich, Gregg and our beloved Sad Sam who posted a 5-11 season after "Red Right". It was not until Marty made us relavant that we truly returned to greatness and Modell got rid of Marty because he could not win the "big one". Who was selected to take us home? Bud Fucking Carson! Meanwhile Marty made KC relevant again for a decade.
How'd that work out?
I will say Modell got it right in the end... Belichick replacing Carson (actually Shofner) and ultimately hiring Ozzie as his GM proved that. Then again after the move he dumped Belichick... so there's that.
I do not miss Art one bit. I do miss organizational stability and that starts with ownership. I like our chances of having it now.
Go Browns...
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The Browns' all time won-loss mark started to fade after Modell purchased the team. Google 1963-1995, you will see it.
Yeah, its beyond horrible from 1999-present. If Art sold it to a local owner, instead of selling us out, I bet the Browns would have been ok.
Also remember Art fired Paul Brown, and Belichick. Real smart guy Art was.
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Tour....I was thrilled that Baltimore was not using the name "Browns". I don't see the relevancy. Your point of fans of the team being disappointed is not accurate, in my opinion. Here's why....The existing Browns franchise had enjoyed a fair amount of success, before 1995. So...when the team returned in 1999, the fans expected to continue with a decent team...myself included. We know how that turned out. Let's say we were awarded a new franchise but the name "Browns" would be retired. Now you have the Cleveland Cougars...or whatever. The team "always sucks, for the most part", but it was expected. It is a new expansion team. It is not the Cleveland Browns. So, now when you talk football with your brother from Pittsburg, and he says.." Yins team sucks"...you could reply..."When the Browns were playing, we would, for the most part...always kick your asses". While your statement may grammatically incorrect, he would be too stupid to notice. I never said Art Modell was smart, but he was passionate about his team, the fans, and Cleveland. I guess I don't really miss him either....I just miss having legitimate hopes of winning more games than we lose in a season.
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Haven't you been railing on Bernie kosar as a drunk idiot who single handedly lost all the championship games in the 80s since, like, 1995?VesnaKociper said:
Sorry to post this again, and I swear if Zombo has a heart attack over it, I will pay his medical bills.
GIVE BERNIE KOSAR A VITAL, DECISION MAKING ROLE IN THE FRONT OFFICE
Until there is real passion in management, we will get more of this bullshit. Cleveland never was a showboat city where players came to bathe in the sun and ocean. Browns football always was a culture unlike any other NFL fan/player experience. Kosar is crippled and broken because he loved this team so much.
Jim Brown? Fuck Jim Brown. What the fuck did he ever do for the Browns? Yeah, undisputed best football player who ever lived............ Modell moved the team, Jim Brown left at 29 for Raquel Welch's most magnificent T&A. He didn't bleed for Cleveland. Who cares what he thinks?
Get someone who gives a shit. This isn't just about winning football games, it is about restoring Cleveland Browns culture to the team. Manziel is such an insult to our traditions it isn't even funny. Can you imagine cocksuckers like Manziel and Gordon playing for Sam, PB, BC or even Marty? Even Marty would have booted those guys in the nutsack.
Hire Kosar,
But actually I agree with you. Kosar is like football rain man.
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Yeah...I'm not suggesting that Haslam is not a good owner. I don't know the answer, on how to fix this team. I just get frustrated watching other teams have a bad season, make changes, and boom!...they're in the playoffs.
I just get frustrated watching other teams have a bad season, make changes, and boom!...they're in the playoffs.
what teams would those be?
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what teams would those be?
Kansas City: 2012 = 2 wins....2013 = 11 wins. Arizona: 2012 = 5 wins...2013 = 10 wins. Detroit: 2013 = 7 wins....2014 = 11 wins....plenty of examples. Just do a little research.
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And of course the Indianapolis sand bags. But I also like situations where the continuity is there and teams eventually are built into solid franchises. Cincinnati is a pretty good case.
WSS
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Kansas City: 2012 = 2 wins....2013 = 11 wins. Arizona: 2012 = 5 wins...2013 = 10 wins. Detroit: 2013 = 7 wins....2014 = 11 wins....plenty of examples. Just do a little research.
and all the teams did so well. just a lot of fluff if you ask me (or a softer schedule).
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and all the teams did so well. just a lot of fluff if you ask me (or a softer schedule).
I have no idea of your point.....I would kill to see the Browns go 11-5
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Kc had Brady queen as qb when they went 2-14. Other than that the team was good.
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What Modell did removing the team was shady at best but he had competitive teams and won a Super Bowl, two things that don't seem on the horizon for this organization.
Unless we bring in Bernie the Boozer
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And yet you continue to reply to it.... Idiotlobo
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It's a dumb thread, and I chime in rarely. My last post.. I thought was just kinda funny.
Trolls tend to not have any kind of decent senses of humor.
Just not impressed.
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And yet you continue to reply to it.... Idiotlobo
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It's a dumb thread, and I chime in rarely. My last post.. I thought was just kinda funny.
Trolls tend to not have any kind of decent senses of humor.
Just not impressed.
And yet you continue to reply to it.... Idiotlobo
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It's a dumb thread, and I chime in rarely. My last post.. I thought was just kinda funny.
Trolls tend to not have any kind of decent senses of humor.
Just not impressed.
It's a shitload better than the Caleb Hanie thread...
WSS
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And yet you continue to reply to it.... Idiotlobo
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It's a dumb thread, and I chime in rarely. My last post.. I thought was just kinda funny.
Trolls tend to not have any kind of decent senses of humor.
Just not impressed.
And yet you continue to reply to it.... Idiotlobo
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It's a dumb thread, and I chime in rarely. My last post.. I thought was just kinda funny.
Trolls tend to not have any kind of decent senses of humor.
Just not impressed.
Now that you explained it, I get it...sorry I didn't realize you dumb trolls don't have a sense of humor
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And yet you continue to reply to it.... Idiotlobo
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It's a dumb thread, and I chime in rarely. My last post.. I thought was just kinda funny.
Trolls tend to not have any kind of decent senses of humor.
Just not impressed.
Now that you explained it, I get it...sorry I didn't realize you dumb trolls don't have a sense of humor
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