Jonathan Paul Manziel
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i don't think farmer has loyalty to anyone on this team. i think he made that clear after the last manziel off-the-field problem which was the party he threw and showing up late. i kinda thought haslam felt the same way but expected the axe to come down days later on one or two of these guys.......
who knows what will happen but i do believe that if the phone rang or if farmer were to make some calls and package a deal with one or two of gordon or manziel someone might be listening.
haslam needs to let his hires do their jobs.
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I didn't know the best place to put this, but fun tidbit about the top QB's in the NFL:
"The top 20-rated quarterbacks in the NFL this year played an average of 3.7 seasons of college football and spent an average of 4.2 years on campus (including redshirt seasons). They averaged 36.4 college starts"
And an interesting tidbit it be, but that's all it is.
Always makes me wonder when an odd split is made as in this case. Why 20? 16 is half. Top ten is a clichΓ©. Twenty makes me think "drew the line after seeing the data".
Would be even more interesting if data was compiled for all starters and for each quartile.
And an interesting tidbit it be, but that's all it is.
Always makes me wonder when an odd split is made as in this case. Why 20? 16 is half. Top ten is a clichΓ©. Twenty makes me think "drew the line after seeing the data".
Would be even more interesting if data was compiled for all starters and for each quartile.
Nah- our old Master of Spin Shep used to quote that plenty. Of course, he's ignoring it now that we have 2 year wonder Johnny on board. Thinks because Shanny is gone, we're magically now "all in" on Manziel. Don't think so.
His list of busts he was pimping is legendary. Quinn- Lienart- Harrington- Clausen.
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How well could Hoyer have played were he not looking back over his shoulder? We'll never know.
What we do know, at least those of us in touch with reality, is that, yes, Hoyer lost his starting job.
VesnaKociper said:
Hoyer LOST the job? No shit?
Yeah? Who did he lose it to? Just who was it that beat him out? The QB competition happened at the BEGINNING of the season. Hoyer won. He proved he was THE BETTER QB. OS even if was in a slump and playing like shit? HE STILL WON THE POSITION.
Hoyer was not the same player that won a close contest in Pre-season. Close because neither contending QB distinguished himself. Hoyer got the nod because he was the vet. To his credit he then solidified his starting role with efficient if unspectacular QB play.
Pet said all year long that players earn starts during the week, but that there was extra patience when it came to QB. Hoyer played badly enough, long enough to exhaust that patience. What he did not count on was how truly overwhelmed JM would be.
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The way Shaw outplayed Johnny Broadway Flop, I'm all for
dropping him. Even if he DOES go to rehab, etc etc etc etc....
he's still a munchkin, and he cares.... unless he can/has to...go party.
As in, -needs- to drink, I think. And really, I'd take a serious look at Grayson
in the second round.... The Browns don't have time to fart around with a kid
that may get it next year....or never....
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Johnny Manziel is a cancer to our beloved Cleveland Browns
Look at how the punk acts off the field and on the field. He is no good!
He got his ass handed to him in his first start, unlike Shaw who was OK in his debut. And he was an UDFA on the practice squad!
Manziel's lack of football IQ, development, and off-the-field antics are no good for our team. He hasn't proven dick in the NFL this year except for the fact that he can throw a party. BIG WHOOP!
Even though I wasnt necessarily a Hoyer fan the past couple of weeks, he is the guy the Browns need to resign and give another chance. HE HAS EARNED IT! Regardless of how he performed the past few weeks, he has the determination and resilience that a coach wants in a QB. Not saying he is the long term solution. But I feel if given another shot and given another year to progress with the WRs I think he will be better than this year. I dont think that guy is on our team yet. Look for Cle to pick a QB up in the later rounds of the draft. Someone with size, arm strength, and is a student of the game. Not a goddamn reckless fool.We will probably go 8-8 next year if Farmer pulls out a ridiculous draft and signs some quality FAs and gets rid of Glamziel.
But if Johnny 3 and Out starts.... its going to be a looooooong year.
Johnny Manziel is a cancer to our beloved Cleveland Browns
Look at how the punk acts off the field and on the field. He is no good!
He got his ass handed to him in his first start, unlike Shaw who was OK in his debut. And he was an UDFA on the practice squad!
Manziel's lack of football IQ, development, and off-the-field antics are no good for our team. He hasn't proven dick in the NFL this year except for the fact that he can throw a party. BIG WHOOP!
Even though I wasnt necessarily a Hoyer fan the past couple of weeks, he is the guy the Browns need to resign and give another chance. HE HAS EARNED IT! Regardless of how he performed the past few weeks, he has the determination and resilience that a coach wants in a QB. Not saying he is the long term solution. But I feel if given another shot and given another year to progress with the WRs I think he will be better than this year. I dont think that guy is on our team yet. Look for Cle to pick a QB up in the later rounds of the draft. Someone with size, arm strength, and is a student of the game. Not a goddamn reckless fool.
We will probably go 8-8 next year if Farmer pulls out a ridiculous draft and signs some quality FAs and gets rid of Glamziel.
But if Johnny 3 and Out starts.... its going to be a looooooong year.
if i was hoyer i'd tell haslam and the whole org to go pound sand after what they pulled on him......lil chonnie feeble wants to play for the texans not this shit ass organization. let him go screw up elsewhere...as far as gordon goes, he'll probably be on skid row 20 yrs from now with a friggin bong attached to his mouth......
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Ya'll just wait. JFF gonna wreck this league.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.β - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
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Johnny football sucks balls!
So does your mom
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VesnaKociper said:
Hoyer LOST the job? No shit?
Yeah? Who did he lose it to? Just who was it that beat him out? The QB competition happened at the BEGINNING of the season. Hoyer won. He proved he was THE BETTER QB. OS even if was in a slump and playing like shit? HE STILL WON THE POSITION.
He didn't LOSE a fucking thing. He got the damned team into playoff contention........... and then he gets pulled? Oh fucking yeah............ pull the mother fucker,,,, bu all means pull his ass because WE ARE SUCH A GOOD FUCKING team that we simply cannot tolerate a 3 game QB slump. YESSSSSSS........... this team is such a buzzsaw that we need to pull EVERYONE who doesn't get us to the superbowl.............
How dare Hoyer betray his starting position by beating a bunch of playoff caliber teams? How dare he lose to Andrew Luck by ONE FUCKING POINT...... Doesn't Hoyer realize how fantastic this team was? Didn't he realize that we were keeping a really good rookie on the bench............for him?
Idiot team. The guy won the fucking competition.............. the team was his to lead. He won the fucking job and should have been kept in the job for the entire season.
Agreed... entitled Brown's fans acting like we were in this position before. 7-5 AGAIN and it's falling apart. So used to talented qbs that one playing bad for 4-5 game stretches has never happened especially to Cleveland. Hell I woulda benched my 7-6 starter too he lost 2 in a row for God sakes. Browns are much smarter than 31 other teams. That's y no one else woulda pulled that panic button shit. I still feel bad for snickers and Nike JF is ur poster boy now.
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quit fucking crying already. it's not going to change anything.
you don't like it come up with a billion dollars and buy your own team.
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Ya'll just wait. JFF gonna wreck this league.
Ya'll just wait. JFF gonna wreck this league.
One team at a time, one down 31 to go
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I knew he was a bust even before Walter White was sucking Manziel's rod.
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Browns usually give a QB what a season and a half before declaring a bust? But JF is given a whole game and a half. Sounds like the Browns are progressing to me.
Next QB should be given a quarter and a half with a bus ticket attached.LOL
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Browns usually give a QB what a season and a half before declaring a bust? But JF is given a whole game and a half. Sounds like the Browns are progressing to me.
Next QB should be given a quarter and a half with a bus ticket attached.LOL
Browns usually give a QB what a season and a half before declaring a bust? But JF is given a whole game and a half. Sounds like the Browns are progressing to me.
Next QB should be given a quarter and a half with a bus ticket attached.LOL
Not really. Plenty of these guys had the bus ticket ready before he even announced.
Which, given the fate of most Cleveland Brown quarterbacks, is a good idea since you can go back and say "See! I've hated that guy ever since he was 6 years old!"
WSS
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Meanwhile, Johnny Broadway Flop was in Aspen, Colorado,
I wonder if he's still missing therapy on his "pulled hammy"....
It doesn't show him skiing... mebbe...
http://denver.suntimes.com/den-sports/7/103/56817/johnny-manziel-aspen/
Which, btw, what idiot OC (Shammy), pulls that trick play, but doesn't make
sure he is doing it according to the rules?
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yeah he should be at home studying the playbook. Oh wait...
WSS
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What do you want him to do, sit buddha style outside the training facility waiting for our new Offensive Coordinator?
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