Whiny Cowboy Fans
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After the Lions game last week, Dallas fans said the call had nothing to do with the outcome
of the game so I have little to no sympathy for this weeks debacle.
However, can we all agree that the term "football move" is about as asinine a term as has been
introduced in recent memory? FFS. the official NFL definition of "football move" includes an 'etc.'
It seems to me that as soon as the ball is snapped every player on the field is making a "football move".
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That went both ways.....trust me. I wasn't looking at it with the jaundiced eyes you are.
As I've stated elsewhere, not a boyz fan and no dog in this fight. Just don't like crappy non-calls on egregious holding that got worse as the game went on. I felt the refs were "protecting" a gimpy Aaron Rogers from any further injury. And the one where the defender eventually had his back to the play with an arm around his neck lifting him up and over on his back was ridiculous.
As I've stated elsewhere, not a boyz fan and no dog in this fight. Just don't like crappy non-calls on egregious holding that got worse as the game went on. I felt the refs were "protecting" a gimpy Aaron Rogers from any further injury. And the one where the defender eventually had his back to the play with an arm around his neck lifting him up and over on his back was ridiculous.
And I am saying that I saw as much protection of Tony Romo going on.
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After the Lions game last week, Dallas fans said the call had nothing to do with the outcome
of the game so I have little to no sympathy for this weeks debacle.
However, can we all agree that the term "football move" is about as asinine a term as has been
introduced in recent memory? FFS. the official NFL definition of "football move" includes an 'etc.'
It seems to me that as soon as the ball is snapped every player on the field is making a "football move".
After the Lions game last week, Dallas fans said the call had nothing to do with the outcome
of the game so I have little to no sympathy for this weeks debacle.
However, can we all agree that the term "football move" is about as asinine a term as has been
introduced in recent memory? FFS. the official NFL definition of "football move" includes an 'etc.'
It seems to me that as soon as the ball is snapped every player on the field is making a "football move".
As I said in this case.....to me, Bryant extended his hand with the ball in it to break his fall to the ground. While others may protest....yes, that is exactly the Calvin Johnson rule.
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Looked like a bad call to me. Yeah I hate the Cowboys but they was robbed. Look at that play and imagine the guy wearing an orange helmet. Come on.
WSS
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Fist thing I said to my wife when I saw the play was "If that was the Browns it would have been incomplete" . . . When they overturned it I was surprised they made the call. I hate the rule and to me that's a catch but I don't feel the least bit bad about the call. I have seen so many of those calls go against the Browns and other teams as well. All the help the offense gets I'm surprised the NFL hasn't changed the rule yet.
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If they didn't have replay, EVERYONE would be screaming for it
Yes, true. Back in 1979 (I think that was the year), the AFC Championship game between the Steelers and Oilers was yet another big game where a blown call affected the outcome. Renfro, a WR on Houston, got 2 feet in on a catch in the back of the end zone- refs called him out of bounds.
1977, Oakland-Denver, a fumble by Denver's Rob Lytle was called a TD, Denver to Super Bowl.
These 2 calls in particular were the push for replay, but it didn't happen until recently. Officiating is much, much worse today as a result.
I think it's only natural officiating has gotten worse, when you are second-guessed by video all the time. If we all had that at our jobs, we'd suck too.
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Looked like a bad call to me. Yeah I hate the Cowboys but they was robbed. Look at that play and imagine the guy wearing an orange helmet. Come on.
WSS
Looked like a bad call to me. Yeah I hate the Cowboys but they was robbed. Look at that play and imagine the guy wearing an orange helmet. Come on.
WSS
Steve, we may not like the"Calvin Johnson Rule", but the Refs got the call right. Bryant clearly lost control of the ball after he hit the ground.
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Except, of course, they got this right....which is what they should do.
(wish we had replay back when Karlis was kicking.)
Karlis did miss, no doubt.
I hate Dallas, but I thought that "reversal" was probably the worst reversal of a call I've ever seen. Looked like a catch, then a cradle, then an attempted extension of reaching for the goal line. Just my opinion of course.
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VesnaKociper said:
Walter White.............. you are a fucking idiot. NOBODY is questioning the call.
In a continuous motion................. the ball can't touch the ground. It has nothing to do with control or juggling. The reason the rule was put into effect is to keep jackoffs like you from bitching and offering different interpretations. The NFL made the rule SIMPLE.......... EASY TO ENFORCE.... and EASY TO BE CONSISTENT ABOUT.
SO jackoff, le tm give it to your dick pimple of a brain again............ in a continuous motion, the ball can't touch the ground.
Had the receiver made a football move with the ball in his hands, and then fell, and then the ball touched the ground.... it would have been a complete pass.
SIMPLE to understand....... except for a jackoff like you, who actually thinks the gift the Blowboys got last week in any way resembled the call today. today's call was correct and the rule is a good rule.
What I saw was Bryant using the ball to break his fall to the ground. He was NOT imo "stretching" to get the ball in the end zone. In doing so, the ball came loose and hit the ground. Bryant did not control it through the entire play, as the rule requires.
Incomplete pass.
What I saw was Bryant using the ball to break his fall to the ground. He was NOT imo "stretching" to get the ball in the end zone. In doing so, the ball came loose and hit the ground. Bryant did not control it through the entire play, as the rule requires.
Incomplete pass.
... and he also was not lunging for the goal line. He was stumbling, off balance.
Looked like a bad call to me. Yeah I hate the Cowboys but they was robbed. Look at that play and imagine the guy wearing an orange helmet. Come on.
Head would still overrule heart... but I'd be pissed that:
1. the WR did not keep two hands on the catch; and
2. the QB went for it all and not simply the first down... it was 4th and 2.
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Take a look at the replay.
Bryant had 2 hands at the top of his jump but while pulling the ball into his body (still in the air), the defender stuck his right hand into the tip of the ball which dislodged it slightly causing the ball to rolled to Bryant's shoulder when he landed on his feet. At NO POINT was he in complete control of securing the ball . You can clearly see he attempt to secure the ball while falling forward onto the ground. That lunge could be debated as an football move, but it's irrelevant because at no point did he had total control of the ball.
If the ball was NEVER dislodged or rolled onto his shoulder, i would say that he caught it.
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Looked like a bad call to me. Yeah I hate the Cowboys but they was robbed. Look at that play and imagine the guy wearing an orange helmet. Come on.
WSS
Looked like a bad call to me. Yeah I hate the Cowboys but they was robbed. Look at that play and imagine the guy wearing an orange helmet. Come on.
WSS
I would have bitched, but it was not a bad call.
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Looked like a bad call to me. Yeah I hate the Cowboys but they was robbed. Look at that play and imagine the guy wearing an orange helmet. Come on.
WSS
Steve, we may not like the"Calvin Johnson Rule", but the Refs got the call right. Bryant clearly lost control of the ball after he hit the ground.
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Take a look at the replay.
Bryant had 2 hands at the top of his jump but while pulling the ball into his body (still in the air), the defender stuck his right hand into the tip of the ball which dislodged it slightly causing the ball to rolled to Bryant's shoulder when he landed on his feet. At NO POINT was he in complete control of securing the ball . You can clearly see he attempt to secure the ball while falling forward onto the ground. That lunge could be debated as an football move, but it's irrelevant because at no point did he had total control of the ball.
If the ball was NEVER dislodged or rolled onto his shoulder, i would say that he caught it.
Take a look at the replay.
Bryant had 2 hands at the top of his jump but while pulling the ball into his body (still in the air), the defender stuck his right hand into the tip of the ball which dislodged it slightly causing the ball to rolled to Bryant's shoulder when he landed on his feet. At NO POINT was he in complete control of securing the ball . You can clearly see he attempt to secure the ball while falling forward onto the ground. That lunge could be debated as an football move, but it's irrelevant because at no point did he had total control of the ball.
If the ball was NEVER dislodged or rolled onto his shoulder, i would say that he caught it.
Slightly different take ending in the same result...
Yes, on the DB dislodging the ball. It was a good play by Shields that is going unnoticed.
However, after pinning the ball to his right shoulder with his right hand Bryant moves it to his left hand on his way to the ground.
Clearly he gains control in the grasp of his left hand prior to the ball hitting the ground.
Just as clearly the ball is dislodged by that contact, i.e., by the ground, and at that point the pass is incomplete.
After he hit the ground?
Yes... You do understand that ball control must be demonstrated through the receiver hitting the ground, don't you?
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Take a look at the replay.
Bryant had 2 hands at the top of his jump but while pulling the ball into his body (still in the air), the defender stuck his right hand into the tip of the ball which dislodged it slightly causing the ball to rolled to Bryant's shoulder when he landed on his feet. At NO POINT was he in complete control of securing the ball . You can clearly see he attempt to secure the ball while falling forward onto the ground. That lunge could be debated as an football move, but it's irrelevant because at no point did he had total control of the ball.
If the ball was NEVER dislodged or rolled onto his shoulder, i would say that he caught it.
Slightly different take ending in the same result...
Yes, on the DB dislodging the ball. It was a good play by Shields that is going unnoticed.
However, after pinning the ball to his right shoulder with his right hand Bryant moves it to his left hand on his way to the ground.
Clearly he gains control in the grasp of his left hand prior to the ball hitting the ground.
Just as clearly the ball is dislodged by that contact, i.e., by the ground, and at that point the pass is incomplete.
After he hit the ground?
Yes... You do understand that ball control must be demonstrated through the receiver hitting the ground, don't you?
I guess I thought when he hit the ground he was down.Yes... You do understand that ball control must be demonstrated through the receiver hitting the ground, don't you?
WSS
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The ball hit the ground.
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Dez had the 4th and 2 converted but he had to be the hero. There was over 4 minutes left in the game. It would have been 1st and goal if he just catches the ball. He had both hands on the ball, all he had to do was cradle it into his chest. Why risk a drop, or worse, a fumble out of the endzone. Fuck if it's a catch or not. It was a selfish bonehead play by Dez.
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I guess I thought when he hit the ground he was down.
Correct-ish... he would have been "down by contact" had he maintained control though to the ground.
Dez had the 4th and 2 converted but he had to be the hero. There was over 4 minutes left in the game. It would have been 1st and goal if he just catches the ball. He had both hands on the ball, all he had to do was cradle it into his chest. Why risk a drop, or worse, a fumble out of the endzone. Fuck if it's a catch or not. It was a selfish bonehead play by Dez.
Give credit to Shields for getting a hand in to loosen the ball. The rest was set in motion by that effort. It prevented him from "just catching the ball."
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Dez wins that jump ball 10 times out of 10. Shields threw a hand up, Dez jumped out of the building. Easy 4th down conversion, as crazy as the play call was.
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