fail for cardale
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elaborate? I don't know what's unclear. Let's see... Next season if we expect to be able to get the first pick in the draft we're going to need to go 1 and 15. Maybe two and 14. Also possibly give up multiple picks if we go 4 and 12 or so. That would seem to me to be grounds for firing the entire coaching staff and getting rid of all the players so the new guy can have his boys. I don't know what's puzzling about that? Then in order to get that premier quarterback we will have to take a pass on other positions which, in my opinion, would serve the team better than a quarterback.I'd love for you to elaborate further on this.
And since that quarterback will be a first round pick you will get a long long time to prove himself and that time will be even longer because hes an Ohio State guy.
And keep in mind that now 2016 will be a rebuilding year, probably with new coaches so as soon as we can expect results from this move would be 2017 if we are lucky.
Make sense?
The racism was a joke going back to Kordell Stewart who complained that he didn't get his due respect because of his color.
WSS
elaborate? I don't know what's unclear. Let's see... Next season if we expect to be able to get the first pick in the draft we're going to need to go 1 and 15. Maybe two and 14. Also possibly give up multiple picks if we go 4 and 12 or so. That would seem to me to be grounds for firing the entire coaching staff and getting rid of all the players so the new guy can have his boys. I don't know what's puzzling about that? Then in order to get that premier quarterback we will have to take a pass on other positions which, in my opinion, would serve the team better than a quarterback.
And since that quarterback will be a first round pick you will get a long long time to prove himself and that time will be even longer because hes an Ohio State guy.
And keep in mind that now 2016 will be a rebuilding year, probably with new coaches so as soon as we can expect results from this move would be 2017 if we are lucky.
Make sense?
The racism was a joke going back to Kordell Stewart who complained that he didn't get his due respect because of his color.
WSS
Sorry, I should have bolded the text I meant.
I was more referring to your claim that his skill set wouldn't transfer to the NFL.
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elaborate? I don't know what's unclear. Let's see... Next season if we expect to be able to get the first pick in the draft we're going to need to go 1 and 15. Maybe two and 14. Also possibly give up multiple picks if we go 4 and 12 or so. That would seem to me to be grounds for firing the entire coaching staff and getting rid of all the players so the new guy can have his boys. I don't know what's puzzling about that? Then in order to get that premier quarterback we will have to take a pass on other positions which, in my opinion, would serve the team better than a quarterback.
And since that quarterback will be a first round pick you will get a long long time to prove himself and that time will be even longer because hes an Ohio State guy.
And keep in mind that now 2016 will be a rebuilding year, probably with new coaches so as soon as we can expect results from this move would be 2017 if we are lucky.
Make sense?
The racism was a joke going back to Kordell Stewart who complained that he didn't get his due respect because of his color.
WSS
Sorry, I should have bolded the text I meant.
I was more referring to your claim that his skill set wouldn't transfer to the NFL.
Sorry, I should have bolded the text I meant.
I was more referring to your claim that his skill set wouldn't transfer to the NFL.
Well I said if. It sure looks like he has the tools to me. But like many of you complain about kids not playing in a pro style offense, I think you understand why it might not be a slam dunk.
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If you call playing two of the top defenses in the country "not being challenged", I'd love to find out what a real challenge is in your eyes.George C said:
You guys assume he's going to be a number one pick.
Cardale played three or maybe four games?, and although he showed unbelieveable talent, he really wasn't challenged.
There was basically zero film on the kid for defenses to game plan, his tendencies aren't clear yet, and he hasn't played dinged up yet.
Remember Vince Young? Showed all the tools until he ran into NFL defensive coaches.
The clear raw talent is obvious, but personally I haven't seen nearly enough yet to call him a first round pick...yet.
Having said that, if he continues to play at that crazy level, you will need the first overall to get him.
Cardale was at much more of a disadvantage than the defenses he faced. Not having practice reps with the 1's all year long is much more detrimental than facing a guy you have zero tape on.
I can find 3 separate videos on Cardale Jones in high school with a quick Google search. I can find his high school scouting report. And I'm just an average Joe. The Oregon coaching staff could, and did, find tape on Cardale. They analyzed his skill set. They could extrapolate possible weaknesses and strengths. And they could game plan.
Claiming that a third string quarterback with no first team practice reps actually has an advantage over one of the top teams in college football is one of the most laughable claims I've heard.
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Sorry, I should have bolded the text I meant.
I was more referring to your claim that his skill set wouldn't transfer to the NFL.
Well I said if. It sure looks like he has the tools to me. But like many of you complain about kids not playing in a pro style offense, I think you understand why it might not be a slam dunk.
WSS
Well I said if. It sure looks like he has the tools to me. But like many of you complain about kids not playing in a pro style offense, I think you understand why it might not be a slam dunk.
WSS
Fair enough. But Cardale originally came from a Pro-Style offense in high school and was ranked as the 12th pro style quarterback in the nation in his class.
His skill set is definitely transferable and he's had the benefit of playing in a pro-style offense. I think his time at Ohio State is proving that he's talented enough to play in a variety of offensive systems, which is another plus in my book.
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George C said:
You guys assume he's going to be a number one pick.
Cardale played three or maybe four games?, and although he showed unbelieveable talent, he really wasn't challenged.
There was basically zero film on the kid for defenses to game plan, his tendencies aren't clear yet, and he hasn't played dinged up yet.
Remember Vince Young? Showed all the tools until he ran into NFL defensive coaches.
The clear raw talent is obvious, but personally I haven't seen nearly enough yet to call him a first round pick...yet.
Having said that, if he continues to play at that crazy level, you will need the first overall to get him.
Who could possibly provide more of a challenge than who he faced in cfb? Anyhow he'll have the 2015 season to Prove his worth
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George C said:
Easy brah....
You are going to end up looking silly here..
I was commenting on this article.
I would venture to say it is impossible for me to look silly in any conversation with you. Unless I looked silly for even engaging a goober like you in the first place.
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And yeah, Haslam is a meddling fuck.. He sat ten feet away from me and was in Farmers ear the entire game.
For fucks sake asshole, Face fucking reality here. If you think Farmer or Pettine traded up for Johnny, they should be fired today. I mean fucking seriously? You have a straight face telling me that? If you think someone other than Haslam and the street bum who "Haslam said himself" told him to draft ManziELF, you are fucking kidding yourself.
Ya, OK, first off the article mentions nothing about Haslem "meddling".
Farmer has admitted drafting Johnny was his choice and he sticks by it.
The article actually makes us look pretty "normal", which I will take over past brass any time.
The only hope for FO sanity is Farmer and Pet. Know it...
If those guys aren't entirely on the same page, you get a dumpster fire...yeah, just like the one we had here in Buffalo a couple of weeks ago. Ours started in a raging inferno, and ended up with us removing a cancer that was caught in time. Now, that dumpster fire is in Jax, getting the HC his Starbucks and sucking his dick like the bitch he is...
Ours is out, let's hope it never started in Berea.
Well ...they ARE on the same page. By all accounts. So ... not an issue.
Ya, we can still smell your grease fire when the wind blows southwesterly across the lake ... but, sorry Farmer and Pettine are working together terrifically. They just got rid of the sniveling OC that didn't fit and replaced him with an up-and-comer that Pettine worked with in NY. That hire alone shows they are still working together. If Farmer brought in a big splashy name that would usurp power from Pettine then maybe you could make an argument. But really you have nothing. Not a thing. Nothing to see here but a young organization finding its way.
Zombo
George C said:
Zombo said:
I would venture to say it is impossible for me to look silly in any conversation with you. Unless I looked silly for even engaging a goober like you in the first place.
Ya, OK, first off the article mentions nothing about Haslem "meddling".
Farmer has admitted drafting Johnny was his choice and he sticks by it.
The article actually makes us look pretty "normal", which I will take over past brass any time.
Well ...they ARE on the same page. By all accounts. So ... not an issue.
Ya, we can still smell your grease fire when the wind blows southwesterly across the lake ... but, sorry Farmer and Pettine are working together terrifically. They just got rid of the sniveling OC that didn't fit and replaced him with an up-and-comer that Pettine worked with in NY. That hire alone shows they are still working together. If Farmer brought in a big splashy name that would usurp power from Pettine then maybe you could make an argument. But really you have nothing. Not a thing. Nothing to see here but a young organization finding its way.
A ...."goober"?
That's below the belt.
Man, I've been called a lot of things, but I can't remember ever being called a goober..
My heart hurts.
Seriously, you are clearly delusional..
Your problem isn't Farmer, and your problem isn't Pettine.
Your problem is the guy at the other end of the cell phone dumb ass..
P.S.
I still love ya....
A. That's gay. Next your smiley will be winking at me.
B. If you're going to have an A, you have to have a B ... Dumbass.
C. You are still hung up on the MK gossipfest. The cellphone thing has been explained, had nothing to do with Haslem. "Staffers". Again .. this organization is not yet one year old, we're just a young organization growing up, new GM, new coach, all new front office, owner himself only been here a couple years. As Aaron would say ... Relax
We've got two first round picks, 10 draft picks, tons of cap space, and for the first time in a long, long time ... continuity.
Better check on your own house, I hear Rex was found this morning in the shoe closet of your Asian woman owner.
Zombo
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A ...."goober"?
That's below the belt.
Man, I've been called a lot of things, but I can't remember ever being called a goober..
My heart hurts.Yea, I think Z perhaps got it wrong.....I think you are more of a Gomer than a Goober. Gomer was always more locquasious than Goober.
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George C said:
Who has the advantage? The defense? I would reconsider that laughable thought.
I think you know how that list of first round overall, can't miss QBS always have a habit of breaking your heart, right?
You are using fucking high school as a tape example? Seriously?
Dude... I can't even respond to that..
Let's be real here, nobody gets to the big time college level without dominating the little boys around him that hardly have a hair on their balls. Stop thinking past, and think about what an NFL coach and professional defensive mind can wreck his strengths. I'm not saying he will fail, but never consider college success translates over to the NFL.
I hope the kid succeeds at the highest level. He totally blew my mind in the championship game, but never forget the lure of Vince Young.
We will know more about him next year.
I would say the team that has played all season long together has the advantage over a third-string quarterback, yes. Your bias doesn't allow you to consider otherwise, which is fine...but don't try to pass it off as irrefutable fact.
Your claim was there was no tape on Cardale. I said you'd be stupid to think that Oregon coaches weren't watching any tape available, which happens to be high school tape. You don't film study individual players to see how they run plays, you film study individual players to find tells and habits. Unless a coach individually targets those tells and those habits, they'll be there regardless of the level of play. Player study and game study are two different animals, I hope you know that.
The problem with your assumption is that you think I automatically assume he'll find success because he won in college. That's not the case. I think he'll find success because, outside of Jameis Winston, Cardale Jones has the most pro-compatible skill set in the NCAA. The glaring flaws in his game lie in his inexperience. He's not a gimmick quarterback who relies on an up-tempo system and a clear talent and speed differential between his team and his opponents. He wasn't overwhelmed with the speed or the stage. Going back to the National Championship, Cardale could have had a nearly flawless performance if not for a handful of clear rookie mistakes.
The problem with your line of reasoning is the same problem with nearly everyone's reasoning. Vince Young has just as much to do with Cardale Jones as Steve Young. Comparing players is well and good in conversation, but you don't scout the comparison, you scout the player.
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Who do you want? Johnny? Hoyer? Mark Sanchez? Jay cutler? No thanks
I want Nick Foles..
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here's a link to a good write up - assessment of him.....
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html
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George C said:
Easy brah....
If those guys aren't entirely on the same page, you get a dumpster fire...yeah, just like the one we had here in Buffalo a couple of weeks ago.
Ours is out, let's hope it was never started in Berea.
Why would people think it is a big deal that the Browns took like two extra days to hire an OC.
It was NOT a case of all the OCs that they supposedly wanted were gone....snatched up by other teams. It was a case of them not wanting those guys.
If they were hot for Trestman, they would have hired Trestman. If they were hot for Gailey they would have hired Gailey. If they were hot for Cavanaugh they would have hired Cavanaugh. They were, apparently, hot for D-Flip......and they got him, and that is all that matters. I mean, really, there was only one other person they may have been hot for:
Why would people think it is a big deal that the Browns took like two extra days to hire an OC.
It was NOT a case of all the OCs that they supposedly wanted were gone....snatched up by other teams. It was a case of them not wanting those guys.
If they were hot for Trestman, they would have hired Trestman. If they were hot for Gailey they would have hired Gailey. If they were hot for Cavanaugh they would have hired Cavanaugh. They were, apparently, hot for D-Flip......and they got him, and that is all that matters. I mean, really, there was only one other person they may have been hot for:
Since it's the silly season, Eddie has some young competition- not bad for being 15 years old.
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here's a link to a good write up - assessment of him.....
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html
here's a link to a good write up - assessment of him.....
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html
Makes it sound like he's a bigger, and slightly less mobile edition of Brian Hoyer.
That's Hoyers glaring weakness- deep ball accuracy.
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here's a link to a good write up - assessment of him.....
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html
Makes it sound like he's a bigger, and slightly less mobile edition of Brian Hoyer.
That's Hoyers glaring weakness- deep ball accuracy.
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I'd spend this year's draft on line and d and take cardale next year. Dude is huge, he can throw he can run he can tackle. I'd take him over any of those guys at this point
I'd spend this year's draft on line and d and take cardale next year. Dude is huge, he can throw he can run he can tackle. I'd take him over any of those guys at this point
That's gonna be important when he no longer has the best running back in the country by his side or the fastest receiver on the field. Might as well be able to stop pick-sixes from happening.
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George C said:
Who has the advantage? The defense? I would reconsider that laughable thought.
I think you know how that list of first round overall, can't miss QBS always have a habit of breaking your heart, right?
You are using fucking high school as a tape example? Seriously?
Dude... I can't even respond to that..
Let's be real here, nobody gets to the big time college level without dominating the little boys around him that hardly have a hair on their balls. Stop thinking past, and think about what an NFL coach and professional defensive mind can wreck his strengths. I'm not saying he will fail, but never consider college success translates over to the NFL.
I hope the kid succeeds at the highest level. He totally blew my mind in the championship game, but never forget the lure of Vince Young.
We will know more about him next year.
I would say the team that has played all season long together has the advantage over a third-string quarterback, yes. Your bias doesn't allow you to consider otherwise, which is fine...but don't try to pass it off as irrefutable fact.
Your claim was there was no tape on Cardale. I said you'd be stupid to think that Oregon coaches weren't watching any tape available, which happens to be high school tape. You don't film study individual players to see how they run plays, you film study individual players to find tells and habits. Unless a coach individually targets those tells and those habits, they'll be there regardless of the level of play. Player study and game study are two different animals, I hope you know that.
The problem with your assumption is that you think I automatically assume he'll find success because he won in college. That's not the case. I think he'll find success because, outside of Jameis Winston, Cardale Jones has the most pro-compatible skill set in the NCAA. The glaring flaws in his game lie in his inexperience. He's not a gimmick quarterback who relies on an up-tempo system and a clear talent and speed differential between his team and his opponents. He wasn't overwhelmed with the speed or the stage. Going back to the National Championship, Cardale could have had a nearly flawless performance if not for a handful of clear rookie mistakes.
The problem with your line of reasoning is the same problem with nearly everyone's reasoning. Vince Young has just as much to do with Cardale Jones as Steve Young. Comparing players is well and good in conversation, but you don't scout the comparison, you scout the player.
George C said:
I would say the team that has played all season long together has the advantage over a third-string quarterback, yes. Your bias doesn't allow you to consider otherwise, which is fine...but don't try to pass it off as irrefutable fact.
Your claim was there was no tape on Cardale. I said you'd be stupid to think that Oregon coaches weren't watching any tape available, which happens to be high school tape. You don't film study individual players to see how they run plays, you film study individual players to find tells and habits. Unless a coach individually targets those tells and those habits, they'll be there regardless of the level of play. Player study and game study are two different animals, I hope you know that.
The problem with your assumption is that you think I automatically assume he'll find success because he won in college. That's not the case. I think he'll find success because, outside of Jameis Winston, Cardale Jones has the most pro-compatible skill set in the NCAA. The glaring flaws in his game lie in his inexperience. He's not a gimmick quarterback who relies on an up-tempo system and a clear talent and speed differential between his team and his opponents. He wasn't overwhelmed with the speed or the stage. Going back to the National Championship, Cardale could have had a nearly flawless performance if not for a handful of clear rookie mistakes.
The problem with your line of reasoning is the same problem with nearly everyone's reasoning. Vince Young has just as much to do with Cardale Jones as Steve Young. Comparing players is well and good in conversation, but you don't scout the comparison, you scout the player.
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Your opinion was written well, and you may be right.
There is a lot to agree with your post. he definitely shined with almost every component of the game, and he seems NFL ready.
I'm just a little timid when it comes to anointing QBs who light up the big college game like VY.. He was drafted 2? and crashed. Who saw that coming.. That is my only comparative reason to bring up VY.
The one single thing that Cardale possesses is something that you can't teach, accuracy.
I hope it translates over to the NFL.
I wouldn't say he's NFL ready by any means, but I do think he's got the potential to be.
From a football standpoint, it would have been more beneficial for him to declare now and work with an NFL coaching staff for 2 years. However, I can certainly understand his desire to graduate, if indeed that is actually the case.
If this decision was money driven, he made a monumental mistake. Taking 3rd round money for two years and learning could have possibly set him up for a large, franchise QB-level contract by the time he turned 24.
Aside: can anyone find out Cardale's actual DOB? It's not listed anywhere that I can find.
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I'd spend this year's draft on line and d and take cardale next year. Dude is huge, he can throw he can run he can tackle. I'd take him over any of those guys at this point
That's gonna be important when he no longer has the best running back in the country by his side or the fastest receiver on the field. Might as well be able to stop pick-sixes from happening.
That's gonna be important when he no longer has the best running back in the country by his side or the fastest receiver on the field. Might as well be able to stop pick-sixes from happening.
Have you seen the video of him hitting some dude? Kid is a monster.
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