The Browns Strategy Meeting
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and then there's this from the NFL site .......Browns officially reaching out to Hoyer.....
If they sign Hoyer, then "someone" has to go.....because they'll be adding a new name one way or another....
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i really thought they were going to cut gordon and manziel after the last debacle at the end of the year.
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The results of the retreat will be interesting, but doubt we'll get much of an insight into their thinking for a while.
On the QB set up for 2015...
I'm not seeing a great deal of downside to the same trio as we sported in 2014. Compete again in TC and move on with the winner as our 2015 starter. Maybe Manziel "gets it" and emerges, but I doubt it and if he does not, then Hoyer would have no reason to look over his shoulder.
If we do enough to shore up the O-line so it can withstand an injury (or two), then the run game/ play action theme is viable for 16 weeks. Hoyer in that system is a better option than forcing a QB move that is really not there.
That said, I do have a feeling that something is going to emerge on the QB horizon that is a viable improvement.
As for Gordon... not sweating him one way or the other. He did not show enough in his limited 2014 to warrant any sweat.
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If we do have Hoyer, Manziel and Shaw as quarterbacks in 2015 and Hoyer beats out Manziel to start there will be one huge difference. If Hoyer struggles during the season I doubt there will be a huge outpouring of pressure to put Manziel in and replace him if Pettine says the Browns have a better chance to win with Hoyer. I for one will believe him this time. I had to see it for myself in the Bengals game. I had it in my mind Manziel would be a spark for the anemic offense. We saw what happened.
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First day of their retreat they find out Gordon is "banished" for a year for failing an alcohol screen.I would have loved to been in the room when they got that information.
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I can't think of anything better for an owner, GM and HC to do than getting together to work on bettering a team.
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I hope they strategize on OL and D. Being able to run on anyone and stop anyone is the only chance this team has at being respectable next year. I will be furious if we do something dumb to acquire a WR now that Gordon has hung himself . . . Especially if the dumbness comes in the draft this year . . . considering the talent we passed on in the draft last year.
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If we do have Hoyer, Manziel and Shaw as quarterbacks in 2015 and Hoyer beats out Manziel to start there will be one huge difference. If Hoyer struggles during the season I doubt there will be a huge outpouring of pressure to put Manziel in and replace him if Pettine says the Browns have a better chance to win with Hoyer. I for one will believe him this time. I had to see it for myself in the Bengals game. I had it in my mind Manziel would be a spark for the anemic offense. We saw what happened.
If we do have Hoyer, Manziel and Shaw as quarterbacks in 2015 and Hoyer beats out Manziel to start there will be one huge difference. If Hoyer struggles during the season I doubt there will be a huge outpouring of pressure to put Manziel in and replace him if Pettine says the Browns have a better chance to win with Hoyer. I for one will believe him this time. I had to see it for myself in the Bengals game. I had it in my mind Manziel would be a spark for the anemic offense. We saw what happened.
There will, it'll just be Shaw not Manziel.
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I can't think of anything better for an owner, GM and HC to do than getting together to work on bettering a team.
I can't think of anything better for an owner, GM and HC to do than getting together to work on bettering a team.
cut out the locker room cancer should be the first move, admit the mistake cut Gordon and Johnny Fuckstain.
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The results of the retreat will be interesting, but doubt we'll get much of an insight into their thinking for a while.
On the QB set up for 2015...
I'm not seeing a great deal of downside to the same trio as we sported in 2014. Compete again in TC and move on with the winner as our 2015 starter. Maybe Manziel "gets it" and emerges, but I doubt it and if he does not, then Hoyer would have no reason to look over his shoulder.
If we do enough to shore up the O-line so it can withstand an injury (or two), then the run game/ play action theme is viable for 16 weeks. Hoyer in that system is a better option than forcing a QB move that is really not there.
That said, I do have a feeling that something is going to emerge on the QB horizon that is a viable improvement.
As for Gordon... not sweating him one way or the other. He did not show enough in his limited 2014 to warrant any sweat.
The results of the retreat will be interesting, but doubt we'll get much of an insight into their thinking for a while.
On the QB set up for 2015...
I'm not seeing a great deal of downside to the same trio as we sported in 2014. Compete again in TC and move on with the winner as our 2015 starter. Maybe Manziel "gets it" and emerges, but I doubt it and if he does not, then Hoyer would have no reason to look over his shoulder.
If we do enough to shore up the O-line so it can withstand an injury (or two), then the run game/ play action theme is viable for 16 weeks. Hoyer in that system is a better option than forcing a QB move that is really not there.
That said, I do have a feeling that something is going to emerge on the QB horizon that is a viable improvement.
As for Gordon... not sweating him one way or the other. He did not show enough in his limited 2014 to warrant any sweat.
^ This 100%
Plus as much as I don't sweat Gordon, it's just so sad to see him waste his God-given talents..
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So Gordon and Cameron will be gone... What next?
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If we do have Hoyer, Manziel and Shaw as quarterbacks in 2015 and Hoyer beats out Manziel to start there will be one huge difference. If Hoyer struggles during the season I doubt there will be a huge outpouring of pressure to put Manziel in and replace him if Pettine says the Browns have a better chance to win with Hoyer. I for one will believe him this time. I had to see it for myself in the Bengals game. I had it in my mind Manziel would be a spark for the anemic offense. We saw what happened.
So if I had to guess one deciding factor between Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel would be BHs actual NFL experience.If we do have Hoyer, Manziel and Shaw as quarterbacks in 2015 and Hoyer beats out Manziel to start there will be one huge difference. If Hoyer struggles during the season I doubt there will be a huge outpouring of pressure to put Manziel in and replace him if Pettine says the Browns have a better chance to win with Hoyer. I for one will believe him this time. I had to see it for myself in the Bengals game. I had it in my mind Manziel would be a spark for the anemic offense. We saw what happened.
Unfortunately I don't think it helps him to make excuses like having to look over his shoulder. Everybody in the NFL looks over their shoulder.
And whether or not coach Mike decides to stay with him after a few disappointing games the fans will be screaming for his head after a couple.
I have a hard time believing that a professional coaching staff makes his decisions based upon the squealing of the fans. At least I would hope they don't.
WSS
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There was pressure from the fans and also looks like the front office to put Manziel in. I like Pettine but why else would he have put JM in? It certainly wasn't anything he saw from JM in practice.
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There was pressure from the fans and also looks like the front office to put Manziel in. I like Pettine but why else would he have put JM in? It certainly wasn't anything he saw from JM in practice.
Fair enough. Coach Mike is an idiot and/or a pussy if the fans pushed him into this. And Ray farmer is a liar. Neither option really cheers me up. And you have no idea what he saw from JM in practice. None of the pundits, not Tony Grossi nor Mary Kay Cabot nor Patrick McManamon nor Fowler attend practices and all get their information from the same place. Unidentified sources. It seems if you believe Mike Pettine is that stupid then how could you not have the shitty attitude of I told you or junk yard dog?There was pressure from the fans and also looks like the front office to put Manziel in. I like Pettine but why else would he have put JM in? It certainly wasn't anything he saw from JM in practice.
Because you can't have it both ways. Either he had no clue or he knew and allowed the fans to push him to throw away a game.
Or maybe the coaching staff had less love for Brian Hoyer than the Cleveland fans and wondered how much worse could it get with Johnny?
WSS
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