Gordon Fails Again
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it's amazing how 98-99% of the players can follow the rules or are smart enough to not get caught.
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Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Its the rules. You should know that. When you are paid tons of money to obey guidelines, and you fail to do so, you pay the piper. The guy is a fucking mind dead idiot. Fuck him.
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Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Yeah?Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
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Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
These "Draconian" rules aren't too much of a hassle for most of the players in the league. Puffy is free to find employment elsewhere that has easier rules in regards to drugs.
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I've hoped that Gordon would straighten himself up and be a key contributor but his mistakes have cost the team and probably ended his career. I'm noy going to say this is tragic. He was on chance 4 or 5 at this point and just doesn't get it, hopefully the car dealership will hire him back.
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Yeah?Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
Yeah?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
I am sorry but I have to disagree with your thought here. There are a lot of people with loved ones who are departed early due to people right around that legal limit. While you may think you aren't impaired when you are at or above the limit a hell of a lot of tests say you are. Sure there are exceptions to all rules but in general I am right.
To the point of the rules being "Draconian" plenty of us live under similar rules and do just fine. We may not like them or agree with them but we deal with it out of a sense of responsibility. Plenty of us might like to smoke a few joints BUT we prioritize our careers that subsequently feed and house our families. It is all about priorities.
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The rules that Gordon were under for drinking alcohol are not ones for most NFL players. These rules against alcohol are reserved for those like Gordon who get convicted of DUI offenses. It all comes back to individual responsibility.
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While you can feel sorry for him I cannot. As an adult, you have to take personal responsibility for your life and choices.
Everyone deserves second chances, but not third fourth and fifth chances. The guy had a shot to do what so many kids dream of. There are kids who would nearly die for his opportunity just to play.
Should I feel bad for a fool who continually makes the same mistakes... FOR YEARS! A fool who had the opportunity to make millions of dollars to play a game. A fool who chose alcohol and weed over his opportunity?
No. I don't feel an ounce of sadness. He had plenty of opportunities to turn things around. He was the same clown in Baylor.
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Josh is an addict and needs to seek counseling and professional help.
This is more sad than anything.
Then again, he fucked his teammates and this fanbase royally with his addiction.
I really hope they cut him to show an example that behavior won't be tolerated, and yes, that includes the bullshit Manziel has been doing.
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And for those clamoring about it isn't fair for the NFL to impose such strict rules
1. No one made those kids join the league. They could have decided to work elsewhere.
2. Its a private company. They can have their employee policy however they seem fit. Disney used to not let men have beards.
3. Risk reward. The NFL highly compensates its employees. Either follow their rules, which are not all that our of whack if you keep your shit straight. Or don't and find employment elsewhere.
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Josh is an addict and needs to seek counseling and professional help.
This is more sad than anything.
Then again, he fucked his teammates and this fanbase royally with his addiction.
I really hope they cut him to show an example that behavior won't be tolerated, and yes, that includes the bullshit Manziel has been doing.
Josh is an addict and needs to seek counseling and professional help.
This is more sad than anything.
Then again, he fucked his teammates and this fanbase royally with his addiction.
I really hope they cut him to show an example that behavior won't be tolerated, and yes, that includes the bullshit Manziel has been doing.
Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
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Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
These "Draconian" rules aren't too much of a hassle for most of the players in the league. Puffy is free to find employment elsewhere that has easier rules in regards to drugs.
These "Draconian" rules aren't too much of a hassle for most of the players in the league. Puffy is free to find employment elsewhere that has easier rules in regards to drugs.
And 99% of slaves accepted their condition and didn't try to escape.......so I guess that made slavery OK and not draconian?
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Yeah?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
I am sorry but I have to disagree with your thought here. There are a lot of people with loved ones who are departed early due to people right around that legal limit. While you may think you aren't impaired when you are at or above the limit a hell of a lot of tests say you are. Sure there are exceptions to all rules but in general I am right.
To the point of the rules being "Draconian" plenty of us live under similar rules and do just fine. We may not like them or agree with them but we deal with it out of a sense of responsibility. Plenty of us might like to smoke a few joints BUT we prioritize our careers that subsequently feed and house our families. It is all about priorities.
I am sorry but I have to disagree with your thought here. There are a lot of people with loved ones who are departed early due to people right around that legal limit. While you may think you aren't impaired when you are at or above the limit a hell of a lot of tests say you are. Sure there are exceptions to all rules but in general I am right.
To the point of the rules being "Draconian" plenty of us live under similar rules and do just fine. We may not like them or agree with them but we deal with it out of a sense of responsibility. Plenty of us might like to smoke a few joints BUT we prioritize our careers that subsequently feed and house our families. It is all about priorities.
But that does NOT mean that you cannot perform your job because you toked or drank a little....And to a great extent the ONLY responsibility you have in certain situations is a responsibility TO THE RULES.
There is a rule.....and it is your responsibility to obey the rule........but what if the fucking rule is stupid? Some of these rules are there not because of any need...but merely to be a rule in and of itself. But many of these rules have absolutely NO purpose associated with what that person is doing.
If a person is drunk or high while he is performing on the field......that is understandable.....there should be a rule. But that is not the rule. The rule is.....thou shalt not ever take a drink or smoke a joint....irregardless of whether that action has any effect on performance.
If you drive drunk/high....absolutely punish a person.
But in this state it is mandatory to suspend a person driver's license merely for possessing Marijuana. What is the purpose of that rule.......a rule that I as a magistrate must uphold. But face it, that rule is purely punitive, confiscatory.....not related at all to the crime of possessing dope. Suspend a license because they drive drunk/high.....absolutley.
Pretty much the same here. These guys are not suspended because they play high/drunk.......They are being punished for using......regardless if they are addicts or not.
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Josh is an addict and needs to seek counseling and professional help.
This is more sad than anything.
Then again, he fucked his teammates and this fanbase royally with his addiction.
I really hope they cut him to show an example that behavior won't be tolerated, and yes, that includes the bullshit Manziel has been doing.
Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
You dont have to be addicted to a specific thing to be considered an addict.......addictive behavior is as dangerous(and destructive) as being a drug addict, yet it is a totally different thing.....
So, no one is saying he's a drug addict......but he CLEARLY displays addictive behavior.....
Bottom line.....if there is a negative behavior that prevents you from functioning in a normal environment or performing routine duties(like your job, for instance)....and you are unable to control that behavior.....and you are unable to stop that behavior.....then you're displaying the behavior of an addict.....
People are addicted to all types of things that are not inherently addictive......sex, stealing, lying, cheating, drinking, smoking, eating, etc....if it's destructive and you cant stop.....then, by definition, it's an addiction.....
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I have agreed previously on the lack of evidence supporting addiction.
Knowing that Josh has averaged over two tests per week for over a year, I believed that an "addict" does not pass 100+ tests.
But now I don't know...
Codeine... weed... alcohol... different substances, but same pattern? Addictive personality?
Agree on the NFL being out of step with this policy, but the trigger level (0.06%) is far from a one beer BAL. This is not close to the travesty that was the failed weed test. Josh worked at this fail. He rolled the dice and they came up craps.
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Rules are rules, even if stupid. He knew what the rules were and what would happen if he was caught. Sucks to have to stay away from a legal substance like alcohol, but if you had a DUI and that's your employer's rules, you follow them or pay the consequences. You can fight to have them changed too, but this isn't the way to do it.
Goodbye Josh. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
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Yeah?Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
Yeah?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
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I would say failing numerous drug test yes your a addict!
I do not get all this poor josh he is being done so wrong crap. He screwed himself nobody else did- he screwed his fellow players and the fan base i have no sympathy for him.
Now i see a report he is confused may not have known what he was doing was a violation all i can say is LMAOOOOO yeah right.
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Hell, Walmart and Target drug test employees. What do they make? Guess what, if they pop, they're gone.
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The rules that Gordon were under for drinking alcohol are not ones for most NFL players. These rules against alcohol are reserved for those like Gordon who get convicted of DUI offenses. It all comes back to individual responsibility.
The rules that Gordon were under for drinking alcohol are not ones for most NFL players. These rules against alcohol are reserved for those like Gordon who get convicted of DUI offenses. It all comes back to individual responsibility.
Very well stated. As one who had a very good friend killed by a drunk, I have no sympathy for someone who got a DUI and continues to drink. Sorry but that went to the grave with my friend.
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