NFL Fox reporting Browns are hiring John DeFilippo as new OC
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I know Urban Meyer is a college coach but I am just using him as an example of what I believe is the best attribute of any winning coach. They hate to lose. There is a pain to losing that drives them to win. If you look at Meyer's record he wins wherever he goes. I heard him comment about pushing his defense in practice preparing against Oregon's hurry up offense. He told the players you can experience the pain now practicing or experience the pain of losing. These type coaches drive themselves to give 100 percent, find any advantage they can to win and are constantly working on improvement and not getting complacent. They know in the end it is worth it.
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At the time nobody played like they belonged in the NFL, do you remember how bad that game was ?
3 First Downs and 107 Total yards . . .
The way they played, or failed to play, or even that it was possible for them to be that bad . . .
Yeah, I think there still needs to be some House Cleaning, don't think we need the full reboot or for it to be as drastic as I was first calling for though.
Also think we need the injection of some fierce Leadership among the Players.
It's coming out that there are/were some Locker Room issues going on last year as well.
I'm still PO'd about that game . . .
Refer to the ESPN article- that crap offensive performance is 90% on Johnny Jamboogie.
Agreed. Some of these assholes think you should go root for another team if your not content making the playoffs once every 15 years.
I'll be a fan and go to several games a year if we never win another fucking game. Some of you need to own up to the fact that our franchise sucks right now, and we need a major culture change in the FO to turn it around. I'm still believe in Farmer, but I'm starting to get skeptical..
Maybe you missed it- I saw some culture change last year.
Oh ok, if Mik's bitch ass says he'll be fine. Forget him losing pt to an undrafted FA, and Desir because he sucked terribly on the field. What does how he plays have to do with anything, just have some blind faith like Mik's dumb ass.
I have faith that Gilbert does have elite measurables- he has to learn how to use them. True- hasn't yet. Takes some time for a few guys to adjust- at least Gilbert hasn't shown up on TMZ yet.
So's pissing and moaning and belly aching and crying and bitching and whining .......
Ya don't like it don't watch it.
Stop being content with it Steve, this is Bullshit. We want a fuckin franchise that competes, stop settling YOU FUCK
So what do you suggest guy? I'm listening. Every diehard fan wants a franchise that competes.
FYI- the Browns DID compete- they just wound up on the losing end a few times. Steelers -3, Ravens -3 (last play fg), Colts -1 despite horrible play by Hoyer, competitive until the 4th quarter against the Ravens- with a third string qb running the show.
Aw gee- so you DEMAND better- aint a damn thing your demanding will do to improve the team.
Maybe you missed it- I saw some culture change last year.
I saw a complete culture change last year.
What do people think a "culture change" is ... that you just announce "We are changing the culture".
That is 0% of it. Actually going out and holding people accountable for the first time since 1999 is the culture change. Farmer and Pettine said "we're going this way ... and you are either with us or against us". And then they made those who weren't all in accountable.
Just because Johnny, Justin and Josh were acting up isn't a sign that the organization is out of control. It is the exact opposite. You're going to whine and be immature, Justin? Sit on the bench. Not happy with your role this week, Terrance West? Well, you can be third string then. Still, not taking this shit, serious, Josh? How bout we suspend you for a game ... go whine to the union. You want out of here, Shanny? There's the fucking door. Still not getting it Johnny? We'll fine your ass, embarrass you and put drafting a QB back on the table. Hell, maybe we'll re-sign Hoyer, he's got half the talent of you but he shows up prepared every fucking day even when he's not playing.
I maintain THIS FRANCHISE TURNED AROUND THE DAY THEY FIRED JOE BANNER AND MIKE LOMBARDI and put the football people in charge. Farmer and Pettine are running this ship their way. By the way, that was less than a year ago, you impatient motherfuckers.
The Culture IS being established. The team played hard for 16 weeks, and if you weren't all in, you were out.
Did we draft a couple snot-nosed punks? Yep. Still plenty of time for them to decide to Play Like a Brown. Best thing we did was bring in veterans like Danbsy and Whitner who aren't afraid to rip those rookies a new one and tell it like it is.
We went 7-9, half our schedule was against playoff teams. We showed in the second Pittsburgh game and the first Cincinnati game what this team has the potential to be.
We've hired the right people. We've changed the culture. Now we need to find a QB to run the show. That is half the battle, or more, in the NFL now, just look at the playoff teams.
Zombo
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Draft was good, first round is a miss to this point.
Coaches need time to prove what they have, we'll see if Shanahan leaving is an omen or a guy who was just unhappy.
Cleveland football for all intents and purposes does suck, as a fan not happy about it but the numbers don't lie.
Cleveland football hasn't always sucked but it's been a while since it was relevant.
And the constant, name calling on the browns board
Fair assessment.
In regards to the many Draft comments, don't forget all the UDFA's Farmer brought in :
Connor Shaw
Isaiah Crowell
Ray Agnew
Taylor Gabriel
K’Waun Williams
Robert Nelson
Likely missing a few, but some good pick-ups there.
FA's are another story, and I've pretty much lost track of them.
Fair assessment.
In regards to the many Draft comments, don't forget all the UDFA's Farmer brought in :
Connor Shaw
Isaiah Crowell
Ray Agnew
Taylor Gabriel
K’Waun Williams
Robert Nelson
Likely missing a few, but some good pick-ups there.
FA's are another story, and I've pretty much lost track of them.
Yeah and being the deranged fan I am I watch all the press conferences on clevelandbrowns.com and it seems like Farmer is a pretty introspective guy who knows when he makes mistakes. I actually have faith in Farmer to improve from year to year.
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Got it... Thought you were referring to JM, but wanted to be sure.
It's called progress... which is great compared to treading water around 4-12.
"Idiot" better describes those that feel we should have gone 12-4 one-year removed from treading water.
As for your running Gilbert argument. No, not a bust, not yet. Also not worth the #1 spent on him, not yet. The jury is still out.
That's reasonable logic, but I won't apologize for lacking blind faith. As a fanbase, at this point, we need to see it to believe it. Put up or shut up because all the talk is just that.
That's reasonable logic, but I won't apologize for lacking blind faith.
Stop being content with it Steve, this is Bullshit. We want a fuckin franchise that competes, stop settling YOU FUCK
Thanks, CB, but to press my luck/ seize a moment, I have to say that my faith is anything, but blind. Not am I anywhere near "content".
To me the progress is tangible.
To me your "rage", be it real or manufactured, is unproductive.
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You are kidding me right? Fucking idiot.Bitonio, West and Kirksey are all starters. Desir actually started a game as well. (And so did Manziel, I guess.) So technically 5 starters.
Bitonio was graded out not only as one of the most impactful rookies, but also as one of the best guards in the NFL in 2014. Both West and Desir are considered to be major steals in the draft by literally every major scout and analyst, both started this season, and both will compete for starting jobs in camp this offseason. Kirksey will also likely compete for a starting job. He started 8 games as a rookie but contributed in all 16 and has received positive reviews from coaches and analysts.
If they don't shape up, Manziel or Gilbert can and will be traded at some point within the next two years. There's no two ways around it. If they don't get traded, it's because they have grown the fuck up and taken hold of their job...which is still good.
Once camp rolls around, I fully expect Gilbert to change and take hold of his starting job. I also fully expect the catalyst behind this change will either be Donte Whitner jackslapping the shit out of him in camp or Desir just curb stomping him in terms of performance.
They got three foundational players in rounds 2-6, an extra first round pick, an extra fourth round pick, and two guys who might (we hope) turn into dynamic NFL players. And, if they don't, there will be value there via trade later. Even assuming both Manziel and Gilbert never play another down, that's still three-four starters and two picks in the top 116 in the 2015 Draft.
Bitonio, West and Kirksey are all starters. Desir actually started a game as well. (And so did Manziel, I guess.) So technically 5 starters.
Bitonio was graded out as one of the best guards in the NFL. Go ahead and try to take issue with that. Both West and Desir are considered to be major steals in the draft by literally every major scout and analyst. Kirksey will likely com
Manziel or Gilbert can and will be traded at some point within the next two years. There's no two ways around it. If they don't get traded, it's because they have grown the fuck up and taken hold of their job...which is still good.
And none of this is taking into account the UDFA's acquired by Farmer who both started and shined this season.
The difference between you and I is that you judge the draft off of the performance of the first round, big name guys...whereas I look at the performance of everyone.
The other difference is that you're a lookwet-brained idiot and I'm not.
West 3.9 YPC... Yea amazing.
Manziel and Gilbert both busts... Is he does it again it will set this franchise back even more then the Owner has done.
One good player out of a whole fucking draft where you have TWO first round draft picks...
West 3.9 YPC... Yea amazing.
Not amazing, but not bad given that West was behind Tate early and the O-line was but a shadow of early-self late.
Sorry, but the West glass is definitely in my half-full column...
Mel Kiper regraded the Browns draft today. B-.
Actually he upped us to "B" based upon the strength of the late picks and UDFAs, and the "TBD" status of our #1's.
"B-" was our original Kiper grade.
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Maybe you missed it- I saw some culture change last year.
I saw a complete culture change last year.
What do people think a "culture change" is ... that you just announce "We are changing the culture".
That is 0% of it. Actually going out and holding people accountable for the first time since 1999 is the culture change. Farmer and Pettine said "we're going this way ... and you are either with us or against us". And then they made those who weren't all in accountable.
Just because Johnny, Justin and Josh were acting up isn't a sign that the organization is out of control. It is the exact opposite. You're going to whine and be immature, Justin? Sit on the bench. Not happy with your role this week, Terrance West? Well, you can be third string then. Still, not taking this shit, serious, Josh? How bout we suspend you for a game ... go whine to the union. You want out of here, Shanny? There's the fucking door. Still not getting it Johnny? We'll fine your ass, embarrass you and put drafting a QB back on the table. Hell, maybe we'll re-sign Hoyer, he's got half the talent of you but he shows up prepared every fucking day even when he's not playing.
I maintain THIS FRANCHISE TURNED AROUND THE DAY THEY FIRED JOE BANNER AND MIKE LOMBARDI and put the football people in charge. Farmer and Pettine are running this ship their way. By the way, that was less than a year ago, you impatient motherfuckers.
The Culture IS being established. The team played hard for 16 weeks, and if you weren't all in, you were out.
Did we draft a couple snot-nosed punks? Yep. Still plenty of time for them to decide to Play Like a Brown. Best thing we did was bring in veterans like Danbsy and Whitner who aren't afraid to rip those rookies a new one and tell it like it is.
We went 7-9, half our schedule was against playoff teams. We showed in the second Pittsburgh game and the first Cincinnati game what this team has the potential to be.
We've hired the right people. We've changed the culture. Now we need to find a QB to run the show. That is half the battle, or more, in the NFL now, just look at the playoff teams.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I saw a complete culture change last year.
I may be somewhere between you and h... although I think that's a very small difference. I certainly saw the beginnings of a follow through to a culture change.
As you went on to say, there was more than just lip service... but we've a ways to go towards permanently establishing a new culture. Organizational cultures have a tendency to "snap back", to revert to there previous state, if the push for change is not constant for a long time.
http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Pettine-Browns-arent-dysfunctional-34987027
Good, article, mik... relevant to the culture change effort. Had Pet been completely candid I think he might well have said, "The Browns are no longer dysfunctional." But it's not his style to throw even the departed under the bus that carried them away.
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So's pissing and moaning and belly aching and crying and bitching and whining .......
Ya don't like it don't watch it.
Stop being content with it Steve, this is Bullshit. We want a fuckin franchise that competes, stop settling YOU FUCK
Stop being content with it....this is Bullshit........We want a fuckin franchise that competes, stop settling YOU FUCK
I dont think anyone is content or settling.....and we ALL want a franchise that competes......but we also realize that screaming, stomping our feet and generally acting like a toddler on an internet forum is not really the way to express our fandom or hopes for improvement.......
#1) Some of us can recognize and accept there is improvement, while still wanting more....others cant. For them(you?) we either win it all or suck....no middle ground
#2) Most adults understand that crying and bitching and whining is counter productive and accomplishes nothing....more of an approach for toddlers and infants.....and snot nosed teens, I guess....
#3) And, this year, we did compete(and improve)....and next year Id expect more of the same....a competitive team that is even MORE improved.....
And when I try to express my feeling about the team and speak intelligent football....I always finish with something extra witty like YOU FUCK
Then...people will REALLY take me seriously.....
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Stop being content with it....this is Bullshit........We want a fuckin franchise that competes, stop settling YOU FUCK
I dont think anyone is content or settling.....and we ALL want a franchise that competes......but we also realize that screaming, stomping our feet and generally acting like a toddler on an internet forum is not really the way to express our fandom or hopes for improvement.......
#1) Some of us can recognize and accept there is improvement, while still wanting more....others cant. For them(you?) we either win it all or suck....no middle ground
#2) Most adults understand that crying and bitching and whining is counter productive and accomplishes nothing....more of an approach for toddlers and infants.....and snot nosed teens, I guess....
#3) And, this year, we did compete(and improve)....and next year Id expect more of the same....a competitive team that is even MORE improved.....
And when I try to express my feeling about the team and speak intelligent football....I always finish with something extra witty like YOU FUCK
Then...people will REALLY take me seriously.....
I dont think anyone is content or settling.....and we ALL want a franchise that competes......but we also realize that screaming, stomping our feet and generally acting like a toddler on an internet forum is not really the way to express our fandom or hopes for improvement.......
#1) Some of us can recognize and accept there is improvement, while still wanting more....others cant. For them(you?) we either win it all or suck....no middle ground
#2) Most adults understand that crying and bitching and whining is counter productive and accomplishes nothing....more of an approach for toddlers and infants.....and snot nosed teens, I guess....
#3) And, this year, we did compete(and improve)....and next year Id expect more of the same....a competitive team that is even MORE improved.....
And when I try to express my feeling about the team and speak intelligent football....I always finish with something extra witty like YOU FUCK
Then...people will REALLY take me seriously.....
Mud, your response is, IMHO, perfectly stated.
Thanks.
Mike
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When acquiring a new coach I know there are a lot of things to look at but one thing I have always looked at is a person's track record. In football you see coaches who just seem to win wherever they go. If they have that history to me that is a good indicator they will win at the next place they go. Not scientific but I have seen it many times.
With DeFilippo he does not have a track record as OC as this is his first hire. I like the idea Pettine appears to have gotten the guy he wanted though. I like the idea of getting a younger coach as well.
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