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  • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg

    @rich4eagle said:

    Did not know that but if that is indeed so

    Why would NE take less than two no 1's.............???? If so, they figured he would not be claimed at that high price so they took what was percieved value and I bet at least one no 1 was involved and a high round pick next year. Again Belichick does another smart move either way

    One would assume that NE desingated Cassel non exclusive

    They are freeing up cap room.... if I remember right it is something like 16.1 million for one year. Now would you want a guy riding the pine for that kinda ching.

    And yeah he is a non exclusive FA

    I'm kinda curious on this move myself first it changes the way the draft will play out...... second how good is Cassel?

    I don't think he is worth the hype. He was running an offence that went undefeated the prior year and an offence that put up some remarkable numbers. I think if Tom Brady was still the Qb all last season they would have been in the Super bowl..... take a look at there schedule kinda soft for a team that went 16-0 the previous season but that’s how everything rotates from year to year.

    And I just overheard that Cassel was only really effective from shotgun.

    Well you cant run the offence in shotgun the entire year and be successful. And lets see how well he does when the O-Line is not picking up the blitzes and he starts getting smashed. I'm not to keen on the K.C. roster but who does he have to throw the ball to... and older TE. So you take Randy Moss, Wess Welker out of the equation and you have... A QB with no weapons to throw the ball to, and a suspect O-line and running game.

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    S Snatch98 wrote on last edited by
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    @erie-dawg said:

    They are freeing up cap room.... if I remember right it is something like 16.1 million for one year. Now would you want a guy riding the pine for that kinda ching.

    And yeah he is a non exclusive FA

    I'm kinda curious on this move myself first it changes the way the draft will play out...... second how good is Cassel?

    I don't think he is worth the hype. He was running an offence that went undefeated the prior year and an offence that put up some remarkable numbers. I think if Tom Brady was still the Qb all last season they would have been in the Super bowl..... take a look at there schedule kinda soft for a team that went 16-0 the previous season but that’s how everything rotates from year to year.

    And I just overheard that Cassel was only really effective from shotgun.

    Well you cant run the offence in shotgun the entire year and be successful. And lets see how well he does when the O-Line is not picking up the blitzes and he starts getting smashed. I'm not to keen on the K.C. roster but who does he have to throw the ball to... and older TE. So you take Randy Moss, Wess Welker out of the equation and you have... A QB with no weapons to throw the ball to, and a suspect O-line and running game.

    As Next to nothing said it's being reported that a 3rd team is involved and that the Cassel to KC is not definite. As far as the picks are concerned I heard it was a 2nd round and some additional picks next year possibly as well...I also think Mike Vrabel was involved. Either way he wasn't franchised as was pointed out so the two first round picks do not apply.

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      S Solon16 wrote on last edited by
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      Already a done deal....cement head! #34 overall for NE...that's it!

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        C CLEVELandMILIDH wrote on last edited by
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        If New England gets Kansas City's first rounder this year do they take Curry?

        1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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          GeechG Geech wrote on last edited by
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          Schefter just reported that DET and TB called NE about Cassel. The reason for TB's call was so that they could trade him to DEN for Cutler.

          I wonder how pissed off Cutler is right now...

          -Al

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          • Thaak ThaakT
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            ThaakT Thaak wrote on last edited by
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            the reports I'm seeing is that Cassel AND Vrabel went to the Chiefs for a 2nd rounder...

            One 2nd rounder both these guys.

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            • Kosar_For_President Kosar_For_PresidentK
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              Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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              Wow that makes KC a way better team in one day. Vrabel sucks, but to get Cassel with so little, nice move. Hopefully, KC drafts a OT to keep their new QB protected?

              Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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              • Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President

                Wow that makes KC a way better team in one day. Vrabel sucks, but to get Cassel with so little, nice move. Hopefully, KC drafts a OT to keep their new QB protected?

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                M mole644 wrote on last edited by
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                @kosar_for_president said:

                Wow that makes KC a way better team in one day. Vrabel sucks, but to get Cassel with so little, nice move. Hopefully, KC drafts a OT to keep their new QB protected?
                Or a shiney new receiver for him to throw to?
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                  Zombo said:

                  Scott Pioli wasn't fooled. He knew exactly what was going on with Brady and with Cassel. In fact, he's the one that franchised Cassel ... then traded for him.

                  Makes you wonder if this was all worked out in advance.

                  Zombo

                  Totally...collusion at its best. He worked it all out before he left NE. Benefits both teams greatly...I think NE also gets compensatory 3rd rounder for Vrabel. Bullshit!

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                  Y YtownBrownsBacker wrote on last edited by
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                  @solon16 said:

                  Totally...collusion at its best. He worked it all out before he left NE. Benefits both teams greatly...I think NE also gets compensatory 3rd rounder for Vrabel. Bullshit!

                  I believe they also get a conditional pick next year. Possibally another #2.

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                  • ThaakT Thaak

                    the reports I'm seeing is that Cassel AND Vrabel went to the Chiefs for a 2nd rounder...

                    One 2nd rounder both these guys.

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                    S Solon16 wrote on last edited by
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                    @thaak said:

                    the reports I'm seeing is that Cassel AND Vrabel went to the Chiefs for a 2nd rounder...

                    One 2nd rounder both these guys.

                    I heard 2nd rounder for Cassell...that and Losing Vrabel gets NE a compensatory 3rd rounder this year( could be wrong )

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                    • Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President

                      Wow that makes KC a way better team in one day. Vrabel sucks, but to get Cassel with so little, nice move. Hopefully, KC drafts a OT to keep their new QB protected?

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                      Oldcrow1945O Oldcrow1945 wrote on last edited by
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                      @kosar_for_president said:

                      . Hopefully, KC drafts a OT to keep their new QB protected?

                      I'd be shocked if they did. Their defense was absolutely horrendous. I think it would be almost criminal not to go defense in much of their draft.

                      If they did go OT it would be for a LT which means the only recourse there would be to move Albert to Guard. But Albert did a very good job for the chiefs at LT. I'd be surprised if they did this as the chiefs have too many other pressing holes to fill

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                      • rich4eagleR rich4eagle

                        I think the price for a franchise player is two number one picks

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                        C Chicopee John wrote on last edited by
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                        @rich4eagle said:

                        I think the price for a franchise player is two number one picks

                        It was a sign and trade, Rich, not a Restricted FA deal. The only compensation is that the Chiefs get Vrabel and Cassel for one second rounder.

                        "God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy."
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                        • S Solon16

                          @thaak said:

                          the reports I'm seeing is that Cassel AND Vrabel went to the Chiefs for a 2nd rounder...

                          One 2nd rounder both these guys.

                          I heard 2nd rounder for Cassell...that and Losing Vrabel gets NE a compensatory 3rd rounder this year( could be wrong )

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                          S Solon16 wrote on last edited by
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                          @solon16 said:

                          I heard 2nd rounder for Cassell...that and Losing Vrabel gets NE a compensatory 3rd rounder this year( could be wrong )

                          Got it...they gave up conditional third by trading cassell and get a second rounder #34 overall

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                            @erie-dawg said:

                            They are freeing up cap room.... if I remember right it is something like 16.1 million for one year. Now would you want a guy riding the pine for that kinda ching.

                            And yeah he is a non exclusive FA

                            I'm kinda curious on this move myself first it changes the way the draft will play out...... second how good is Cassel?

                            I don't think he is worth the hype. He was running an offence that went undefeated the prior year and an offence that put up some remarkable numbers. I think if Tom Brady was still the Qb all last season they would have been in the Super bowl..... take a look at there schedule kinda soft for a team that went 16-0 the previous season but that’s how everything rotates from year to year.

                            And I just overheard that Cassel was only really effective from shotgun.

                            Well you cant run the offence in shotgun the entire year and be successful. And lets see how well he does when the O-Line is not picking up the blitzes and he starts getting smashed. I'm not to keen on the K.C. roster but who does he have to throw the ball to... and older TE. So you take Randy Moss, Wess Welker out of the equation and you have... A QB with no weapons to throw the ball to, and a suspect O-line and running game.

                            As Next to nothing said it's being reported that a 3rd team is involved and that the Cassel to KC is not definite. As far as the picks are concerned I heard it was a 2nd round and some additional picks next year possibly as well...I also think Mike Vrabel was involved. Either way he wasn't franchised as was pointed out so the two first round picks do not apply.

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                            Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                            @snatch98 said:

                            As Next to nothing said it's being reported that a 3rd team is involved and that the Cassel to KC is not definite. As far as the picks are concerned I heard it was a 2nd round and some additional picks next year possibly as well...I also think Mike Vrabel was involved. Either way he wasn't franchised as was pointed out so the two first round picks do not apply.

                            I should of wrote that he "was or still is" a URFA then, but we allready knew he was. There was a trade so that all goes out the window.

                            If the deal goes through geting rid of Cassel is none the less opening up "more" cap space.

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                              @kosar_for_president said:

                              Wow that makes KC a way better team in one day. Vrabel sucks, but to get Cassel with so little, nice move. Hopefully, KC drafts a OT to keep their new QB protected?
                              Or a shiney new receiver for him to throw to?
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                              @mole644 said:

                              Or a shiney new receiver for him to throw to?

                              They have Dwayne Bowe, a guy a ton of teams would kill to have.

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                                S Snatch98 wrote on last edited by Snatch98
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                                Honestly what guarantees are there that Cassell does well outside of NE? He hadn't started a game since High School up until last season when the Pats put him in the starting line up. He had a formidable offensive line, Randy Moss and Wes Welker and a solid stable of RB especially with Faulk as the 3rd down guy. There are no guarantees he succeeds else where, especially Kansas City. I guess we'll find out. Vrabel was a throw away.

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                                  Honestly what guarantees are there that Cassell does well outside of NE? He hadn't started a game since High School up until last season when the Pats put him in the starting line up. He had a formidable offensive line, Randy Moss and Wes Welker and a solid stable of RB especially with Faulk as the 3rd down guy. There are no guarantees he succeeds else where, especially Kansas City. I guess we'll find out. Vrabel was a throw away.

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                                  @snatch98 said:

                                  Honestly what guarantee are there that Cassell does well outside of NE?

                                  There is no guarantee. I would have never made the trade, though it isn't like the Chiefs mortgaged the future to get him...

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                                    S Solon16 wrote on last edited by
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                                    i hope Cassell busts huge!

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                                      ClevelandFanForLifeC ClevelandFanForLife wrote on last edited by
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                                      i personally think it will work out well for both teams involved. the patriots get another pick to rebuild that battered, old defense and the chiefs address their number one concern. both teams benefit from this.

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                                        hammertimeH hammertime wrote on last edited by
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                                        QB's don't fare well in kc

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                                          i personally think it will work out well for both teams involved. the patriots get another pick to rebuild that battered, old defense and the chiefs address their number one concern. both teams benefit from this.

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                                          @clevelandfanforlife said:

                                          i personally think it will work out well for both teams involved. the patriots get another pick to rebuild that battered, old defense and the chiefs address their number one concern. both teams benefit from this.

                                          I agree, Cassel is less risky then drafting Sanchez or Stafford at 3. Can anyone honestly say that Pioli was goina stand by and watch Thigpen run his team?

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