The G.O.A.T.
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There is no way to really rate it. It depends on who you are, where you live and probably the time of day factors in to the mix.
As an example, I can assure you that not many people outside of Cleveland fans, or serious historians of the game are going to have Otto on the list.
It's simply subjective. In my case, I would rate Manning better than Brady, but Brady has more rings. Going back to the near past, I'd rate Marino right up there, but he doesn't have any.
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There is no way to really rate it. It depends on who you are, where you live and probably the time of day factors in to the mix.
As an example, I can assure you that not many people outside of Cleveland fans, or serious historians of the game are going to have Otto on the list.
Actually, it is the serious historians who would have Otto at the top of the list. They are the ones who know.
But yes, it is the non-historians who would not have a clue. Many younger. They can't see before the Super Bowl era so when they say "who is the g.o.a.t. they are only talking since the mid 70s. They would probably not even include Bart Starr and JU......because they are just too far back in time.
It's simply subjective. In my case, I would rate Manning better than Brady, but Brady has more rings. Going back to the near past, I'd rate Marino right up there, but he doesn't have any.
On pure arm delivery Marino is hard to match. That is why this is so difficult. Marino's team rarely had decent defenses....where some multiple winning QBs had teams with great defenses.
While I consider Terry Bradshaw a great QB.....a lot of his team's success was equally reliant on that great defense.
Shrug
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Jaws is an idiot. Tom Brady should have an asterisks next to every Super Bowl title.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Unfortunatly, Otto is 3-4 eras ago. An era to me is about 20 years. (40'S and 50's), (60's and 70's), (80's and 90's). (2000 to present)
Lot's of changes in those 20 yearspreads. Look at the rules, let alone the number of teams and the condition of players.
It's why you can't compare....too much has changed.
That is what made baseball pretty cool up until they started looking away at the meathead steroid players. Not much in the rules has changed over the last 100 years and most of the measurables in the players was similar.....meaning as an example that Walter Johnson threw it as hard and Bob Feller, who threw it as had as Sandy Kofax, who threw it as hard as Randy Johnson, who threw it as hard as whoever you want to inset out of todays crop.
Football seems to have 4-5 rules changes per year. Baseball lowered the mound in 69, added a DH in one league in whatever, and now has some limited instant replay. Oh....they outlawed the spitball in maybe the 40's.
The point is it is impossible to compare football players as easily as you can compare baseball players, but since the comparison game between fans originated with baseball, it is what it is.
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I think there's only three guys worth mentioning here. Brady, Montana and Graham. I realize graham is probably homerism but it is what it is.
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Agree with the Steeler, fuck Brady. Piece of cheating shit.
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My all time favorite QB would be Joe Montana. He was probably the most clutch quarterback I ever saw. Cool under pressure. I read when he drove the 49ers to to the winning score in the Super Bowl against the Bengals he spotted John Candy in the crowd and mentioned it to the players in the huddle. I don't think most quarterbacks would be in that frame of mind.
As for the best quarterback ever I don't think you can single one out. You could make a good case for a number of them.
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Baby crying:
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Stupid steelers, cheating patriots....
Blount plays the fool, then arranges? his chance
to get the hell out of three rivers scumland...
and goes right back to the patriots, one day after
Ridley gets hurt....
As the NFL World Turns....
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Interesting that Unitas is given credit for 3 titles, but it was Earl Morrall who brought them back for the win in the 1971 Superbowl win over the Cowboys.
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Unfortunatly, Otto is 3-4 eras ago. An era to me is about 20 years. (40'S and 50's), (60's and 70's), (80's and 90's). (2000 to present)
Lot's of changes in those 20 yearspreads. Look at the rules, let alone the number of teams and the condition of players.
It's why you can't compare....too much has changed.
That is what made baseball pretty cool up until they started looking away at the meathead steroid players. Not much in the rules has changed over the last 100 years and most of the measurables in the players was similar.....meaning as an example that Walter Johnson threw it as hard and Bob Feller, who threw it as had as Sandy Kofax, who threw it as hard as Randy Johnson, who threw it as hard as whoever you want to inset out of todays crop.
Football seems to have 4-5 rules changes per year. Baseball lowered the mound in 69, added a DH in one league in whatever, and now has some limited instant replay. Oh....they outlawed the spitball in maybe the 40's.
The point is it is impossible to compare football players as easily as you can compare baseball players, but since the comparison game between fans originated with baseball, it is what it is.
Unfortunatly, Otto is 3-4 eras ago. An era to me is about 20 years. (40'S and 50's), (60's and 70's), (80's and 90's). (2000 to present)
Lot's of changes in those 20 yearspreads. Look at the rules, let alone the number of teams and the condition of players.
It's why you can't compare....too much has changed.
All the above being true, I think that the offense that OG ran was really pretty much the same as the WCO that the 9ers and Joe Montana ran. Walsh simply adapted his boss's (PB ) offense to that time. Move OG up into the 80s and I think he and Joe are very similar in style and capability. Just a projection on my part.
That is what made baseball pretty cool up until they started looking away at the meathead steroid players. Not much in the rules has changed over the last 100 years and most of the measurables in the players was similar.....meaning as an example that Walter Johnson threw it as hard and Bob Feller, who threw it as had as Sandy Kofax, who threw it as hard as Randy Johnson, who threw it as hard as whoever you want to inset out of todays crop.
Football seems to have 4-5 rules changes per year. Baseball lowered the mound in 69, added a DH in one league in whatever, and now has some limited instant replay. Oh....they outlawed the spitball in maybe the 40's.
The point is it is impossible to compare football players as easily as you can compare baseball players, but since the comparison game between fans originated with baseball, it is what it is.
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Interesting that Unitas is given credit for 3 titles, but it was Earl Morrall who brought them back for the win in the 1971 Superbowl win over the Cowboys.
Interesting that Unitas is given credit for 3 titles, but it was Earl Morrall who brought them back for the win in the 1971 Superbowl win over the Cowboys.
Fair point.....as a general rule, the QB that starts a game get "credit" for the win....even if another QB comes in later.
Like last year.....Brian Hoyer gets credit for that win against Buffalo.....a game in which he was hurt in the first quarter and where Brandon Weeden actually is the one whose performance led to the win..
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Unfortunatly, Otto is 3-4 eras ago. An era to me is about 20 years. (40'S and 50's), (60's and 70's), (80's and 90's). (2000 to present)
Lot's of changes in those 20 yearspreads. Look at the rules, let alone the number of teams and the condition of players.
It's why you can't compare....too much has changed.
That is what made baseball pretty cool up until they started looking away at the meathead steroid players. Not much in the rules has changed over the last 100 years and most of the measurables in the players was similar.....meaning as an example that Walter Johnson threw it as hard and Bob Feller, who threw it as had as Sandy Kofax, who threw it as hard as Randy Johnson, who threw it as hard as whoever you want to inset out of todays crop.
Football seems to have 4-5 rules changes per year. Baseball lowered the mound in 69, added a DH in one league in whatever, and now has some limited instant replay. Oh....they outlawed the spitball in maybe the 40's.
The point is it is impossible to compare football players as easily as you can compare baseball players, but since the comparison game between fans originated with baseball, it is what it is.
Unfortunatly, Otto is 3-4 eras ago. An era to me is about 20 years. (40'S and 50's), (60's and 70's), (80's and 90's). (2000 to present)
Lot's of changes in those 20 yearspreads. Look at the rules, let alone the number of teams and the condition of players.
It's why you can't compare....too much has changed.
That is what made baseball pretty cool up until they started looking away at the meathead steroid players. Not much in the rules has changed over the last 100 years and most of the measurables in the players was similar.....meaning as an example that Walter Johnson threw it as hard and Bob Feller, who threw it as had as Sandy Kofax, who threw it as hard as Randy Johnson, who threw it as hard as whoever you want to inset out of todays crop.
Football seems to have 4-5 rules changes per year. Baseball lowered the mound in 69, added a DH in one league in whatever, and now has some limited instant replay. Oh....they outlawed the spitball in maybe the 40's.
The point is it is impossible to compare football players as easily as you can compare baseball players, but since the comparison game between fans originated with baseball, it is what it is.
You're out of your mind. An era is defined by some major change in rules or something that would make comparisons before and after more challenging.
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Brady/Montana.....everyone else
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There is no way to really rate it. It depends on who you are, where you live and probably the time of day factors in to the mix.
As an example, I can assure you that not many people outside of Cleveland fans, or serious historians of the game are going to have Otto on the list.
It's simply subjective. In my case, I would rate Manning better than Brady, but Brady has more rings. Going back to the near past, I'd rate Marino right up there, but he doesn't have any.
Shrug
There is no way to really rate it. It depends on who you are, where you live and probably the time of day factors in to the mix.
As an example, I can assure you that not many people outside of Cleveland fans, or serious historians of the game are going to have Otto on the list.
It's simply subjective. In my case, I would rate Manning better than Brady, but Brady has more rings. Going back to the near past, I'd rate Marino right up there, but he doesn't have any.
Shrug
Your right. No one would have otto on that list. Four of his "championships" was in the AAFC, that had eight teams two of which were called the Yankees and the Dodgers! LOL. As far as I'm concerned the Super bowl era is where the Championships should be considered worthwhile, not that ancient history bullshit where lineman weighed 220 lbs. Of course if your a "Homer" those "championships" 70 years ago make you pround, go for it!
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Brady is the GOAT.. no questions asked..
You need the stats.. AND the rings..
and he has both.
Its really between him and Peyton.. they both put up over 50 TDs in a season, but Brady has the rings
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Last year, this very week, the talk was that if Manning won he would be cemented as the Greatest of All Time.
Seattle crushed him.
So let's play the game first. If the Patriots win because of Brady and he is MVP then I revisit this.
Peyton Manning is the greatest QB I have ever watched. I never watched Otto Graham. I rate Montana over Brady.
Let's see what happens Sunday. For you ring counters, Wilson moves alongside Eli, Ben, Griese, Plunkett, Staubach, Elway and Starr with a win ... and one behind Brady.
He's 26 and plays with the best defense in the league.
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