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Browns hire Kevin O'Connell as QB coach.

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  • Browns149B Browns149

    @walterwhite said:

    Yep

    Worked with Manziel before the draft.

    So did Jack Daniel's and Jim Beam

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    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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    @browns149 said:

    So did Jack Daniel's and Jim Beam

    Alright I'm gettin' damn tired of these Yankee insults to the honor of Texas.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=lone+star+beer&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%253BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pintlog.com%25252F2012%25252F01%25252Flone-star-beer-review.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%252CB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%252C_&usg=__rvcM27lc-JtoC57_UOBBZH2j0OA%3D&ved=0CEoQyjc&ei=BVPNVIPOAYmwggSFr4TgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%3BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F-HMBe0saA9vA%252FTcinsv3ZOnI%252FAAAAAAAAAko%252FWPla_o-MFco%252Fs1600%252FLone-Star-Beer-Full.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.pintlog.com%252F2012%252F01%252Flone-star-beer-review.html%3B683%3B1024

    An' we buy it with this which is now worth a damn site more than that northern dollar these days.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=confederate+money&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%253BV_4oOJMyibpkTM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FConfederate_States_of_America_dollar&source=iu&pf=m&fir=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%252CV_4oOJMyibpkTM%252C_&usg=__LVuThNHQqrnxT6xBLplmo82L7hw%3D&dpr=1&ved=0CFAQyjc&ei=qVPNVLrLCYGXgwSKt4DgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%3Bvf_UAJMeicJyIM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F6%252F65%252FConfederate_5_and_100_D ollars.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.freerepublic.com%252Ffocus%252Fnews%252F3252577%252Fposts%253Fpage%253D18%3B4650%3B4200

    Here's proof: Put in your bid.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATTRACTIVE-T-69-1864-5-CONFEDERATE-CURRENCY-PCGS-58-PPQ-FREE-SHIPPING-/301503352431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4633000e6f

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      ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by ballpeen
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      I don't mind young offensive coaches. They might understand modern football and actually open some things up.

      If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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        thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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        And Kurt Roper as Senior Offensive Assistant

        #Justsayin'
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          And Kurt Roper as Senior Offensive Assistant

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          @thenew23 said:

          And Kurt Roper as Senior Offensive Assistant

          Mr. Roper?

          mr-roper.png

          I see he was Florida's OC and QB coach this year. Their offense got the coach fired, so there's that.

          Flip (never called plays) KO (Jets QB guru) and Roper (got his coach fired) will have the free agents flocking in to play on our offense!

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            nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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            Typical Browns.. Meh.. I'm getting very impatient with this team...

            Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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            • T TexasAg1969

              @browns149 said:

              So did Jack Daniel's and Jim Beam

              Alright I'm gettin' damn tired of these Yankee insults to the honor of Texas.

              https://www.google.com/search?q=lone+star+beer&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%253BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pintlog.com%25252F2012%25252F01%25252Flone-star-beer-review.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%252CB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%252C_&usg=__rvcM27lc-JtoC57_UOBBZH2j0OA%3D&ved=0CEoQyjc&ei=BVPNVIPOAYmwggSFr4TgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%3BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F-HMBe0saA9vA%252FTcinsv3ZOnI%252FAAAAAAAAAko%252FWPla_o-MFco%252Fs1600%252FLone-Star-Beer-Full.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.pintlog.com%252F2012%252F01%252Flone-star-beer-review.html%3B683%3B1024

              An' we buy it with this which is now worth a damn site more than that northern dollar these days.

              https://www.google.com/search?q=confederate+money&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%253BV_4oOJMyibpkTM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FConfederate_States_of_America_dollar&source=iu&pf=m&fir=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%252CV_4oOJMyibpkTM%252C_&usg=__LVuThNHQqrnxT6xBLplmo82L7hw%3D&dpr=1&ved=0CFAQyjc&ei=qVPNVLrLCYGXgwSKt4DgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%3Bvf_UAJMeicJyIM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F6%252F65%252FConfederate_5_and_100_D ollars.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.freerepublic.com%252Ffocus%252Fnews%252F3252577%252Fposts%253Fpage%253D18%3B4650%3B4200

              Here's proof: Put in your bid.

              http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATTRACTIVE-T-69-1864-5-CONFEDERATE-CURRENCY-PCGS-58-PPQ-FREE-SHIPPING-/301503352431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4633000e6f

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              @texasag1969 said:

              Alright I'm gettin' damn tired of these Yankee insults to the honor of Texas.

              https://www.google.com/search?q=lone+star+beer&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%253BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pintlog.com%25252F2012%25252F01%25252Flone-star-beer-review.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%252CB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%252C_&usg=__rvcM27lc-JtoC57_UOBBZH2j0OA%3D&ved=0CEoQyjc&ei=BVPNVIPOAYmwggSFr4TgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%3BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F-HMBe0saA9vA%252FTcinsv3ZOnI%252FAAAAAAAAAko%252FWPla_o-MFco%252Fs1600%252FLone-Star-Beer-Full.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.pintlog.com%252F2012%252F01%252Flone-star-beer-review.html%3B683%3B1024

              An' we buy it with this which is now worth a damn site more than that northern dollar these days.

              https://www.google.com/search?q=confederate+money&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%253BV_4oOJMyibpkTM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FConfederate_States_of_America_dollar&source=iu&pf=m&fir=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%252CV_4oOJMyibpkTM%252C_&usg=__LVuThNHQqrnxT6xBLplmo82L7hw%3D&dpr=1&ved=0CFAQyjc&ei=qVPNVLrLCYGXgwSKt4DgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%3Bvf_UAJMeicJyIM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F6%252F65%252FConfederate_5_and_100_D ollars.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.freerepublic.com%252Ffocus%252Fnews%252F3252577%252Fposts%253Fpage%253D18%3B4650%3B4200

              Here's proof: Put in your bid.

              http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATTRACTIVE-T-69-1864-5-CONFEDERATE-CURRENCY-PCGS-58-PPQ-FREE-SHIPPING-/301503352431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4633000e6f

              A Texan taking credit for the achievements of others.

              Sounds about right.

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                @texasag1969 said:

                Alright I'm gettin' damn tired of these Yankee insults to the honor of Texas.

                https://www.google.com/search?q=lone+star+beer&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%253BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pintlog.com%25252F2012%25252F01%25252Flone-star-beer-review.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%252CB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%252C_&usg=__rvcM27lc-JtoC57_UOBBZH2j0OA%3D&ved=0CEoQyjc&ei=BVPNVIPOAYmwggSFr4TgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=pDt_0KBrSv0wfM%253A%3BB-GoGV1nsKZDOM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F-HMBe0saA9vA%252FTcinsv3ZOnI%252FAAAAAAAAAko%252FWPla_o-MFco%252Fs1600%252FLone-Star-Beer-Full.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.pintlog.com%252F2012%252F01%252Flone-star-beer-review.html%3B683%3B1024

                An' we buy it with this which is now worth a damn site more than that northern dollar these days.

                https://www.google.com/search?q=confederate+money&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&imgil=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%253BV_4oOJMyibpkTM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FConfederate_States_of_America_dollar&source=iu&pf=m&fir=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%252CV_4oOJMyibpkTM%252C_&usg=__LVuThNHQqrnxT6xBLplmo82L7hw%3D&dpr=1&ved=0CFAQyjc&ei=qVPNVLrLCYGXgwSKt4DgBg#imgdii=_&imgrc=qcdGz-MkUhdfOM%253A%3Bvf_UAJMeicJyIM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F6%252F65%252FConfederate_5_and_100_D ollars.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.freerepublic.com%252Ffocus%252Fnews%252F3252577%252Fposts%253Fpage%253D18%3B4650%3B4200

                Here's proof: Put in your bid.

                http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATTRACTIVE-T-69-1864-5-CONFEDERATE-CURRENCY-PCGS-58-PPQ-FREE-SHIPPING-/301503352431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4633000e6f

                A Texan taking credit for the achievements of others.

                Sounds about right.

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                Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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                @taco918 said:

                A Texan taking credit for the achievements of others.

                Sounds about right.

                The Bush family?

                "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                  Typical Browns.. Meh.. I'm getting very impatient with this team...

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                  @nickers said:

                  Typical Browns.. Meh.. I'm getting very impatient with this team...

                  "Getting"?

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                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                    Seems like the direction the Browns are going is trying to get Manziel ready to start next season. I understand that. I think it is an uphill battle. I have PTSD by what I saw out of JM in the the Bengals game.

                    JM who looked quick in college looks slow in the NFL. I was surprised at how quickly he gets pulled down. On one play in particular a Bengals line man seemed to easily pull him down with one hand. If he scrambles it doesn't look to me he is very durable and better learn to do the slide quickly. The one thing I would like to see out JM is the ability he should have of throwing the ball. Especially after scrambling. I think that is his best asset.

                    I understand though the Browns still want to not give up on their investment. But good luck. I just hope someone is not stubborn about it if the writing is on the wall about his lack of ability just to prove the draft pick.

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      Does smack of doubling down doesn't it?

                      The contrast between Russell Wilson's cool, quick little moves juking Pat defenders out of their Super Bowl jocks and JM's frantic scurries could not be starker. Had you asked me prior to the season which QB was "quicker", I would have sworn it was the one on our roster... and I would have been wrong.

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                        Does smack of doubling down doesn't it?

                        The contrast between Russell Wilson's cool, quick little moves juking Pat defenders out of their Super Bowl jocks and JM's frantic scurries could not be starker. Had you asked me prior to the season which QB was "quicker", I would have sworn it was the one on our roster... and I would have been wrong.

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                        Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by Canton Mike
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                        @tour2ma said:

                        Does smack of doubling down doesn't it?

                        The contrast between Russell Wilson's cool, quick little moves juking Pat defenders out of their Super Bowl jocks and JM's frantic scurries could not be starker. Had you asked me prior to the season which QB was "quicker", I would have sworn it was the one on our roster... and I would have been wrong.

                        Tour,

                        I have always said that the athlete who understands what they are doing, & is confident, plays "faster". Wilson, obviously, has worked hard & has that knowledge & confidence. I think Johnny had it as a college player, but NOW needs to work very hard, learn the pro system in which he plays & gain that same confidence. I'm not yet ready to say he won't do that, but he has a large hill to climb. I think Johnny will be monitored VERY closely in the future.

                        We'll see.

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                          @tour2ma said:

                          Does smack of doubling down doesn't it?

                          The contrast between Russell Wilson's cool, quick little moves juking Pat defenders out of their Super Bowl jocks and JM's frantic scurries could not be starker. Had you asked me prior to the season which QB was "quicker", I would have sworn it was the one on our roster... and I would have been wrong.

                          Tour,

                          I have always said that the athlete who understands what they are doing, & is confident, plays "faster". Wilson, obviously, has worked hard & has that knowledge & confidence. I think Johnny had it as a college player, but NOW needs to work very hard, learn the pro system in which he plays & gain that same confidence. I'm not yet ready to say he won't do that, but he has a large hill to climb. I think Johnny will be monitored VERY closely in the future.

                          We'll see.

                          Mike

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                          @canton-mike said:

                          Tour,

                          I have always said that the athlete who understands what they are doing, & is confident, plays "faster". Wilson, obviously, has worked hard & has that knowledge & confidence. I think Johnny had it as a college player, but NOW needs to work very hard, learn the pro system in which he plays & gain that same confidence. I'm not yet ready to say he won't do that, but he has a large hill to climb. I think Johnny will be monitored VERY closely in the future.

                          We'll see.

                          Mike

                          Monitored?

                          For what exactly?

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                            DOUBLE DOWN!

                            Horrible.Just.Horrible.

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                              @canton-mike said:

                              Tour,

                              I have always said that the athlete who understands what they are doing, & is confident, plays "faster". Wilson, obviously, has worked hard & has that knowledge & confidence. I think Johnny had it as a college player, but NOW needs to work very hard, learn the pro system in which he plays & gain that same confidence. I'm not yet ready to say he won't do that, but he has a large hill to climb. I think Johnny will be monitored VERY closely in the future.

                              We'll see.

                              Mike

                              Monitored?

                              For what exactly?

                              WSS

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                              Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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                              @westside-steve said:

                              Monitored?

                              For what exactly?

                              WSS

                              Sorry, should have been more clear. I feel He needs to be monitored on an ongoing basis on his knowledge of the playbook & learning to read defenses. No progress reports or "tests". I use as a case in point that Hoyer's mechanics were poor (with no improvement) last season. His seemed pretty solid prior to his injury. I have a hard time believing that would have been so bad had qualified QB & offensive coaches been tracking progress & working on same.

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                              • Canton MikeC Canton Mike

                                @tour2ma said:

                                Does smack of doubling down doesn't it?

                                The contrast between Russell Wilson's cool, quick little moves juking Pat defenders out of their Super Bowl jocks and JM's frantic scurries could not be starker. Had you asked me prior to the season which QB was "quicker", I would have sworn it was the one on our roster... and I would have been wrong.

                                Tour,

                                I have always said that the athlete who understands what they are doing, & is confident, plays "faster". Wilson, obviously, has worked hard & has that knowledge & confidence. I think Johnny had it as a college player, but NOW needs to work very hard, learn the pro system in which he plays & gain that same confidence. I'm not yet ready to say he won't do that, but he has a large hill to climb. I think Johnny will be monitored VERY closely in the future.

                                We'll see.

                                Mike

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                                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                @canton-mike said:

                                Tour,

                                I have always said that the athlete who understands what they are doing, & is confident, plays "faster". Wilson, obviously, has worked hard & has that knowledge & confidence. I think Johnny had it as a college player, but NOW needs to work very hard, learn the pro system in which he plays & gain that same confidence. I'm not yet ready to say he won't do that, but he has a large hill to climb. I think Johnny will be monitored VERY closely in the future.

                                We'll see.

                                Mike

                                I think you are right about about the confidence and playing faster. My gut feeling is JM is faster than what I have seen thus far on the field. It was obvious to me something wasn't right with Manziel. According to some reports he wasn't familiar with calling some plays and had to be corrected in the huddle. I don't know if JM is capable of being an NFL quarterback or not but with treatment he will have a fighting chance to prove himself. What I saw before seemed hopeless.

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                                • Canton MikeC Canton Mike

                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  Monitored?

                                  For what exactly?

                                  WSS

                                  Sorry, should have been more clear. I feel He needs to be monitored on an ongoing basis on his knowledge of the playbook & learning to read defenses. No progress reports or "tests". I use as a case in point that Hoyer's mechanics were poor (with no improvement) last season. His seemed pretty solid prior to his injury. I have a hard time believing that would have been so bad had qualified QB & offensive coaches been tracking progress & working on same.

                                  Mike

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                                  @canton-mike said:

                                  Sorry, should have been more clear. I feel He needs to be monitored on an ongoing basis on his knowledge of the playbook & learning to read defenses. No progress reports or "tests". I use as a case in point that Hoyer's mechanics were poor (with no improvement) last season. His seemed pretty solid prior to his injury. I have a hard time believing that would have been so bad had qualified QB & offensive coaches been tracking progress & working on same.

                                  Mike

                                  Well I would have imagine that happened every single day during training camp and practice, No?

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