The G.O.A.T.

[Westside Steve]

Zombo said:

Because an undrafted CB from West Alabama made a great play?

That's why I don't play the ring game.

If Lynch punches it in like everyone expected, then Brady hasn't won a SB in 11 years and only has one more ring than Russell Wilson.

Pete Carroll allows his offensive coordinator to call an insipid play and Brady is now the Greatest ever.

He was, of course, on the sideline when this was all happening to him.

Zombo

--I wanted Seattle to win to just not to have hear how great the Patriots are from all the Patriots fans here. There are no Seahawk fans in Florida.

I think it would be a lot less pleasant listening to Richard Seymour and Marshawn Lynch running their fat punk mouths for a year...

WSS

[Zombo]

@westside-steve said:

I think it would be a lot less pleasant listening to Richard Seymour and Marshawn Lynch running their fat punk mouths for a year...

WSS

They don't live here either. But every guy I sit next to in a bar down here is Jimmy from Brockton or Tommy from Taunton telling me how how Brady walks on water and the ol' "How did Cleveland ever let Belichick leave?"

We didn't. Assholes.

Zombo

[Kosar_For_President]

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Aho8UUS4bvVz6Mg.DTHu1eSbvZx4?p=the+goat+waiting&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-315&fp=1

[Westside Steve]

Zombo said:

They don't live here either. But every guy I sit next to in a bar down here is Jimmy from Brockton or Tommy from Taunton telling me how how Brady walks on water and the ol' "How did Cleveland ever let Belichick leave?"

We didn't. Assholes.

Zombo

Actually the league should have told Art Modell to go fuck himself and sell the team. Then who knows?

WSS

[Kosar_For_President]

I'd still take Farve over Brady any day.

[RoyceRolls]

Zombo said:

Because an undrafted CB from West Alabama made a great play?

That's why I don't play the ring game.

If Lynch punches it in like everyone expected, then Brady hasn't won a SB in 11 years and only has one more ring than Russell Wilson.

Pete Carroll allows his offensive coordinator to call an insipid play and Brady is now the Greatest ever.

He was, of course, on the sideline when this was all happening to him.

Zombo

--I wanted Seattle to win to just not to have hear how great the Patriots are from all the Patriots fans here. There are no Seahawk fans in Florida.

^^this.

The ring discussion is media driven sensationalism. Brady, all by himself, won the Super Bowl. He's the one who picked off Wilson, he blocked for himself and also caught all of his passes.

This isn't basketball, and if it was Brady would be terrible at it.

[The Gipper]

@larryfine said:

Oh I was around back then. I just don't know what I'm talking about. LOL

At least you have made one accurate statements on these boards.

[The Gipper]

Zombo said:

Because an undrafted CB from West Alabama made a great play?

That's why I don't play the ring game.

If Lynch punches it in like everyone expected, then Brady hasn't won a SB in 11 years and only has one more ring than Russell Wilson.

Pete Carroll allows his offensive coordinator to call an insipid play and Brady is now the Greatest ever.

He was, of course, on the sideline when this was all happening to him.

Zombo

--I wanted Seattle to win to just not to have hear how great the Patriots are from all the Patriots fans here. There are no Seahawk fans in Florida.

It was Brady's effort that gave his team the opportunity to be in a position to take advantage of the mistake the other team made.

I agree that the "ring game" is not the be all and end all of deciding who the GOAT is......but it is an important factor.

Winning in the clutch.....guiding a team to a championship or to the cusp of a championship is important.

But,no, winning this one didn't elevate Brady above the other candidates in my mind. I already had him up there.

If you just want to go on basic innate pure passing ability....put Jeff George and Jay Cutler into your mix.

Winning does matter.

[The Gipper]

Zombo said:

They don't live here either. But every guy I sit next to in a bar down here is Jimmy from Brockton or Tommy from Taunton telling me how how Brady walks on water and the ol' "How did Cleveland ever let Belichick leave?"

We didn't. Assholes.

Zombo

You are exactly right. Tell them that the official agreement that created the Baltimore Ravens occurred on February 9, 1996.

Bill Belichick was fired as the coach of the Baltimore Ravens on February 15, 1996.

So, BB was the HC of the NYJ for one day....and HC of the Ravens for one week.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/franchises.aspx

[Zombo]

@the-gipper said:

It was Brady's effort that gave his team the opportunity to be in a position to take advantage of the mistake the other team made.

I agree that the "ring game" is not the be all and end all of deciding who the GOAT is......but it is an important factor.

Winning in the clutch.....guiding a team to a championship or to the cusp of a championship is important.

But,no, winning this one didn't elevate Brady above the other candidates in my mind. I already had him up there.

If you just want to go on basic innate pure passing ability....put Jeff George and Jay Cutler into your mix.

Winning does matter.

Yes, winning matters. Manning, Montana and Graham won a hell of lot of footballs games. I look at entire careers. Brady had a good game, threw two interceptions, but brought the team back, played steady. But if he lost, if Seattle scored there, I wouldn't of held it against him. He is still the same QB he was before Wilson threw that interception. A damn good one. But not my GOAT.

Zombo

[The Gipper]

My Mt. Rushmore:

[Chicopee John]

<<I wanted Seattle to win to just not to have hear how great the Patriots are from all the Patriots fans here. There are no Seahawk fans in Florida.>>

So you don't draft Steelers or Ravens players for you Fantasy Team. Do you not sell houses to Patriots fans?

[Zombo]

@chicopee-john said:

<<I wanted Seattle to win to just not to have hear how great the Patriots are from all the Patriots fans here. There are no Seahawk fans in Florida.>>

So you don't draft Steelers or Ravens players for you Fantasy Team. Do you not sell houses to Patriots fans?

I sell many houses to Patriot fans.

That's why I don't want them winning because I have to hear about it.

Plus they are in the AFC.

Seattle wins .... doesn't change my life.

Patriots win ... Blah blah blah Brady, blah blah.

And then we move into training camp and the Red Sox .... Blah blah Sox Blah blah.

I prefer to remember the Patriots and Red Sox from the 20th century ... painfully tortured (like us) ... When the Browns were the Browns and all was right with the world.

I didn't have to worry about drafting Ravens cause there weren't any fucking Ravens. Not much fantasy football for that matter.

Ahh, those were the days.

1994. I was blissfully single, living in Florida and the Browns were in the playoffs. I bame Modell for everything that has happened since.

Zombo

[Chicopee John]

Zombo said:

I sell many houses to Patriot fans.

That's why I don't want them winning because I have to hear about it.

Plus they are in the AFC.

Seattle wins .... doesn't change my life.

Patriots win ... Blah blah blah Brady, blah blah.

And then we move into training camp and the Red Sox .... Blah blah Sox Blah blah.

I prefer to remember the Patriots and Red Sox from the 20th century ... painfully tortured (like us) ... When the Browns were the Browns and all was right with the world.

I didn't have to worry about drafting Ravens cause there weren't any fucking Ravens. Not much fantasy football for that matter.

Ahh, those were the days.

1994. I was blissfully single, living in Florida and the Browns were in the playoffs. I bame Modell for everything that has happened since.

Zombo

How long of a drive from Sarasota to Naples?

I will be in Sarasota next Friday afternoon thru Monday evening. Short trip. Visiting relatives.

However, I pick my friends, not my relatives so...............if the drive isnt crazy - I am thinking 3 hours minimum, I believe I owe you a drink or lunch.

PS I have to ditch my wife first, though.

[Zombo]

@chicopee-john said:

How long of a drive from Sarasota to Naples?

I will be in Sarasota next Friday afternoon thru Monday evening. Short trip. Visiting relatives.

However, I pick my friends, not my relatives so...............if the drive isnt crazy - I am thinking 3 hours minimum, I believe I owe you a drink or lunch.

PS I have to ditch my wife first, though.

Just a little over an hour and a half. I could even meet you in Fort Myers which is closer. Ditch the wife, hope to see you!

Zombo

[Chicopee John]

Zombo said:

Just a little over an hour and a half. I could even meet you in Fort Myers which is closer. Ditch the wife, hope to see you!

Zombo

Send your phone number to my email address, Johnny

Meeting in FM would give me a chance to, at least, look at my condo. That would be the first time in nearly 10 years.

[Zombo]

@chicopee-john said:

Send your phone number to my email address, Johnny

Meeting in FM would give me a chance to, at least, look at my condo. That would be the first time in nearly 10 years.

Will do ...

Zombo

[The Gipper]

Zombo said:

I sell many houses to Patriot fans.

That's why I don't want them winning because I have to hear about it.

Plus they are in the AFC.

Seattle wins .... doesn't change my life.

Patriots win ... Blah blah blah Brady, blah blah.

And then we move into training camp and the Red Sox .... Blah blah Sox Blah blah.

I prefer to remember the Patriots and Red Sox from the 20th century ... painfully tortured (like us) ... When the Browns were the Browns and all was right with the world.

I didn't have to worry about drafting Ravens cause there weren't any fucking Ravens. Not much fantasy football for that matter.

Ahh, those were the days.

1994. I was blissfully single, living in Florida and the Browns were in the playoffs. I bame Modell for everything that has happened since.

Zombo

See the post in my thread where I note that the Boston fans have become the most arrogant spoiled fan base in the nation....probably more arrogant and spoiled than Pisstown fans.....but probably not quite as stupid.

Let's put it this way: they certainly have had more success than they deserve.

[Chicopee John]

@the-gipper said:

Let's put it this way: they certainly have had more success than they deserve.

What the hail does this mean, Gip.

Fans are not deserving in any way.

The teams have had a ton of success the last 20 years, or so. What is not deserving of that?

You might be suffering from low self-esteem because - somehow - you suffer from championship envy. Probably, more a case of sour grapes.

Although some fans tend to tie their self-worth to the success of sports teams, I believe you're smarter than that.

Baseball fans are, IMHO, generally more sophisticated / smart than football fans. It's the nature of the sports.

[The Gipper]

@douche-nozzle said:

I don't know about the cheating, I think the Pats just got caught doing what most teams do. Maybe they do it a little worse, who knows. But what I do believe is that Belichick makes his players play as a team, he accomplishes more with his talent than any other coach ever!

So....... what if it was any of the other so-called elite who ended up being Bill's QB?

Brett Favre NOPE....NOT A TEAM GUY

Peyton Manning MAYBE

Dan Marino PROBABLY

John Elway PROBABLY

Fran Tarkenton DIFFERENT ERA

Drew Brees MAYBE

Aaron Rodgers PROBABLY

Ben Roethlisberger MAYBE

Eli Manning NOT WORTHY OF BEING ON THE LIST

Except for Tarkenton your list basically encompasses a fairly narrow era. The 90s/2000s.

That is why I suggested that we probably have to look at each era, and take a guy from each there. Earlier eras dominated by Luckman, Graham, Starr, Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana whom I see you did not list.

Can you make an argument that BR is better than Peyton? If we do play the "ring game" you can. BR won 2 lost 1. Peyton won 1 lost 2. Plus BR has a .667 postseason record, where Peyton is only .458. BR's contemporaries of Eli and Rivers? Eli has a .727 post season record....and two titles....so I might not be so hasty in eliminating him. Phil Rivers at .444 would be the one to not match up....at least not with that particular factor.